Too many thoughts
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I was wondering if anyone who has disengaged from a Princess, still thinks too much. Although I try and keep busy when my dh sees her or goes to family occasions, I still think about her and the hurt she has caused although I don't speak about her to my dh.
He is still gutted that I don't want a relationship with her and makes excuses etc for her past behaviour (even though she still manipulating for money and attention).
I would like to relax more when he is with her/them but find my mind drifting to her behaviours. It is stupid I know and doesn't help me at all do would like to stop it. Thank you x
Getting the Princess out of
Getting the Princess out of your head is the hardest part. It does get easier with time.
I've only been disengaged for around 7-8 months (officially). It has gotten better and I am fortunate there is a lot of distance between me and Princess Perfect. This weekend he is visiting her and YSD went to visit too (they always make it a Super Happy Original Family Celebration, and of course their own SO's are part of the family). The first two days I was ok. Today I woke up pissed off. Pissed that I have a DH who is too chicken to tell a woman in her 40's to grow up. That I have a DH who said he didn't want lose access to his grandkids like OSD threatened, and his wants have come as a sacrifice to me. That he lives two different lives because he coddled and entitled his princess, that they get to have their way but I have to suffer the consequences. That I thought I married a mature man with mature adult children and this is not what I signed up for.
Fortunately mine does not push me to have a relationship with his childish daughter. NFW.
So yes, it gets better overall (I know I am not doing a good job of convincing you). But it's always an irritant that never goes away, at least for me it isn't. As well as I have been doing, today I am struggling. It is probably because I am sleeping less because both dogs are sick. I do have to say that if the rest of the marriage were not good, I would never put up with this. If you are happy with the rest of your marriage, keep in mind no marriage is perfect. But you also have to look at how much of your marriage, how much of yourself is being sacrificed for this situation. Is it more than what you expected and is it intolerable? Your needs matter too.
I am looking forward to the responses you get since it applies so much to me right now too.
Thank you SA. I really needed
Thank you SA. I really needed to see a response from you today with your experience in this area. Today I just want to hop on plane and go on vacation away from all annoyances. When I was single, I did not date men with young children, but I never expected to see adult children act like children and a dad cater to that behavior. Hopefully my resentment will pass in a few days.
I don't know if there is
I don't know if there is anything that one can do to get those thoughts out of our heads. As I write this, my ex-Disney Dad DH is taking SD20 + her boyfriend out to lunch at a swanky restaurant requested by her, that is a half hour's drive from where we live. There is a standing invitation for me to go with, on these occasions but I have no wish to.
Most of the time now, I don't think of the SDs very much, because they no longer come here EOW of course, and I forget about them for long stretches. However, like today, it very much casts my mind back to more difficult times, when she and her sister treated me like s**t, and DH did not stick up for me nor have my back.
For the most part, our marriage is much better now that the SDs aren't around on a regular basis - but there are still times when memories intrude.
^ THIS I recently started
^ THIS
I recently started following Josh Korda and brushing up on my meditation technique. He also has a podcast.
It has helped me tremendously, in a short amount of time, to focus on brushing off negative thoughts and feelings that still linger after disengagement and manipulative princess BS. Skid in my life is young, but still a mini BM acting entitled twit.
Deep breathing exercises are great, but I've found visualization most helpful for me, being an over analytic "feeler".
I know, I do the same
I know, I do the same thing...it is like I have so much fear the crap will happen again, that I will be forced to be in that same crazy situation again; knowing all too well-- nobody is on my side; I am all alone with daddeee who needs serious counseling.
It is the most helpless feeling I have ever known, and why do these vivid memories never go away? Maybe it is a self protection mechanism...just weird. Maybe it is good that I remember things they did years ago photographically, though sometimes I forget the day of the week. That is crazy too.
I am not certain disengagement brings about complete peace for us, but for me it is the only thing that makes the marriage manageable. My husband lacks all ability to correct his kids, and it did not start with me--they act the way they do because they had two sorry enabling parents. They've accomplished little to nothing in their lives, because of it too..
Would I like these people even if I did not have them here, given marriage? The answer is no, so time to stop the charade and seek my own peace, it will protect me, Nobody else is going to...except maybe my great friends here on ST.
"-- it is the past hurt that
"-- it is the past hurt that haunts me, and the fact that I had no one in my corner and still don't. The fact that I cannot trust or rely on DH as I thought I could is the biggest hurt of all." Betrayal of trust. I think this was the greatest thing that hurt me too.
If SD was permanently out of my life I could care less. It has been over 6 years since she has not been welcome in our home. DH can see her just about whenever he wants but has not chosen to. This probably has something to do with her shunning him because he didn't leave me.
When DH refused to have my back when I needed it most, and never apologized for throwing me under the bus or assured me that it would never happen again it killed the trust I had for DH. Even though we have a good marriage now, I am STILL left to wonder what would happen if SD should come back into his life. I know now to immediately set up boundaries for both SD and DH if this should occur - but wouldn't it be nice if I KNEW I could depend on DH to have my back without even discussing boundaries?
I have to agree, in time it DOES get better. In time you are stronger and more resolved to not be a doormat for anyone. But there are still times when their 'other life' intrudes on yours. There are times DH's family will ask in front of me if DH has heard from Princess and I can feel my nostrils expanding to the earlobes. You can't help but resent it and wonder why DH did not have the b@lls to stop it in the first place.
All I can offer is to let you know - IT ISN'T YOU and it never has been.
Even when they are totally
Even when they are totally out of your life it can sometimes be hard to keep them out of your mind.
I disengaged from SS31 (utterly worthless, often homeless, jobless, etc.) for several years. Once he settled down with a young woman who had a job, car, house, and eventually their baby I opened the door a crack. Even had them over for dinner. They were always sort of in the background.
Now that they invaded our home during our two week vacation I am PERMANENTLY DONE with them. I honestly do not care if they are dead or alive. My DH has been great about this. Not once has he tried to justify (he can't) or make excuses for them.
We've even been thru a major holiday (Easter). DH was free to go spend time with them and the grandbaby, but he didn't. I didn't suggest it (we had no plans that day) nor did I ask about it. I have no clue if he was excluded, if he excluded himself or what the circumstances were.
I know my DH was shamed and humiliated that his son betrayed his trust. Who wouldn't be? I don't need to rub it in. But I still have a LOT of ANGER towards skid and babymamma. I need to get that out of my head. It does help when I can come here and bitch about how worthless and utterly disgusting these two are.
Ava, I think you will be
Ava, I think you will be better at handling your thoughts the more time goes by. The important thing is to remain disengaged. REMAIN DISENGAGED!
I think sometimes SMs backslide when a skid may act nice on one particular occasion. SMs are hopeful things may be on an upturn with the skid so they get re-involved, and thus get stabbed in the back. Then starts the cycle of getting the skid (and the heartbreak they cause) out of your head all over again. It is too painful to continue this cycle.
Do. Not. Be. Fooled.
Disengagement must become a way of life.
That isn't to say you won't still be curious about what's going on with them, that's natural. Also, don't let your DH make you feel guilty about not being involved with your SD. That is your choice and your RIGHT. Let him mope all he wants.
I just went through this with my SO. SD and her fiance came over; my SO had invited them out to dinner. It just so happened it was my favorite restaurant, no less. My SO really, really wanted me to go with. He mopily asked why I couldn't go with because he really wanted me there.
I remained firm.
I told him I had many errands to do and besides, I was sure that he would enjoy the one-on-one time with his daughter and her fiance.
When they showed up at our house, I spent a few minutes doing some polite idle chatter with the both of them. That was more than enough. They went off and had dinner together. I went on and used my time in a more productive manner, doing things I wanted to do and grabbed a bite to eat on my own.
And this is the amazing thing about how you can train your brain. The whole time, I was mentally ecstatic that I was enjoying MY time the way I wanted. The more you have these kinds of experiences the more they will help shove out other thoughts, like being left out of a part of your DH's life.
Being alone for the evening was thoroughly more enjoyable to me than spending two hours listening to the narcissistic SD blab on about herself - while the rest of us were just there to worship her. Let her dad and fiance do that; I've no interest or stomach for it. Nope, my days of being part of the audience for this self-centered Princess are well over.
Lastly, while I do still sometimes have some residual feelings of regret that things could be better, I have come to this perspective. Just about everyone has to deal with some sort of in-law they don't like and will never have a relationship with. Some women have absolutely horrible mothers in law. Or a horrible sister in law.
Some men have terrible male best friends, that you want nothing to do with. Or a horrible, crude brother. In these cases, we are usually happy to have them spent guy-time alone without us and we don't usually feel left out or excluded.
There will inevitably be someone in your DH's life who you are not close to and who he will have a separate relationship with. Put your SD into the same box - think about her like an awful friend of your DH and perhaps it won't bother you so much when he spends time with her.
I absolutely loooove this!
I absolutely loooove this! The advice to think of skid as a terrible friend DH has that I don't need to spend time with. I can do that
Yep! Just imagine she is a
Yep! Just imagine she is a flatulent, foul-smelling, obnoxious male friend of your DH, who is an abject failure at adulthood but likes to talk non-stop about his glory days -- when he was a child!
Then think about how grateful you are you DON'T have to spend time with them! }:)
I like this approach, but
I like this approach, but mutual enmeshment with the daughter and the fallout from manipulation make it a unique circumstance.
Funny that I don't even have
Funny that I don't even have to *imagine* because you just described ss31 to a tee! Actually he just turned 32 but you'd never know it since he sulks like a teenager and still lives w/mommy. The only clue that he's in his 30's is his balding thinning hair.
I love your signature line!
I love your signature line! What exactly is in those apples? LOL
"The feeling of not knowing
"The feeling of not knowing is joyous, peaceful and addictive enough for me to crave more."
Yes! This sums up what I get out of disengagement.