Advice column: Too soon for Dad to date after Mom’s sudden, surprising death?
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What do you think the odds are that this woman is going to be able to tolerate "cake-bearing Kathies" in her life any time soon?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/too-soon-for-dad-to-date-a...
"Why would they EVEN WANT any
"Why would they EVEN WANT any business in it." Two reasons: Control and money.
I am the same way. Why do
I am the same way. Why do these spoiled brats assume they can tell parents what to do???
Here is a response on Facebook - it turns my stomach.
"My best friend and I got into a huge argument about this subject weeks ago (and haven't spoken since): she (35) told her parents that if one of the should die, the other can date, but if that parent marries, she will refuse to ever see him or her again. I explained how controlling that is and that it is not her business what they do. She said "they know I am being selfish but are fine with it". I was so disgusted, I don't know if I can speak to HER again. (Is this type of self-centered behavior common to only children?)"
So ok, she is a selfish brat - but WHY ARE THEY FINE WITH IT?
Funny. I have two friends.
Funny. I have two friends. One's mom remarried and subsequently had a divorce (helicopter mom who only focused on her daughter and neglected her second husband) and the daughter told both of them at they are, under no circumstances, ever to have another child or she will hate them forever. The mom of course said they wouldn't. I doubt the stepfather would have wanted any more kids either since his children were in their thirties.
The other has parents who are not together but not divorced, because the mom won't sign the divorce papers. It's been ten years and they are on opposite sides of the world. This friend gave her dad the ultimatum that he is not to marry lest he suffer her wrath, but if he does, his new wife is not to get a dime of his money after he passes. It's to go to her and her brother. Heaven forbid I brought up the idea that what if he has more kids--her response was that she will cut him off and all of his assets still go to her and her brother--not a dime to e hypothetical new child or its mother.
Yeah. Psychos.
My mom, from a young age, sat me and my sister down and told us if she should pass before my dad, to be nice if he gets a new wife. Se will make sure the houses and physical assets go to us, but after my dad passes, to give the new wife a large sum of money so that she can get a house herself. She said it's cheaper than having to send my dad to a nursing home or hire a 24/7 nurse, and on top of that she would make my dad happy, so it's a win win for everyone.
Wow! Your mom must be an
Wow! Your mom must be an exceptional woman! Is she good at chess?
She seems to plan very far ahead, for every contingency.
She told you that when you were quite young?
Is your dad much older than her? Tell us more!!!
LOL no she's not good at
LOL no she's not good at chess... she just wants what's truly best for me and my sister. She's 8 years younger than my dad.
I must have heard it starting from age 10? Usually on a drive home or something.
She said she didn't want us to be stuck taking care of an old man, entertaining him, feeding him, and wiping his butt, all day every day. She said it didn't matter if all the woman was after was some of my dad's money--my parents have it in living trusts that give the estate to us step by step based on our ages--so anything leftover that could be given to his new wife is peanuts compared to what we already received so we shouldn't be selfish wanting that extra money.
All that mattered was that we got to live our lives and took care of our families and not bogged down by the elderly. She said to think of it as payment for taking care of an ornery old man in his last years and if we didn't want him up our ass all the time, we'd do well to treat his wife very very good and welcome her in so she doesn't divorce the man and make him our problem. How romantic.
I mean this is the woman who wants to check herself and my dad into a nursing home when she reaches a certain age (meaning she can no longer take care of both herself and my father) so that she's not a burden to me and my sister.
I think it's because she spent so much of her adult life taking care of my grandparents (both sets--in asian families the wife of the first born has to take care of her husband's parents as if they are her own) all by herself, especially since she was an only child, and my dad's younger brothers are useless leeches.
When we were younger it used to kind of upset us though, we thought marriage was love and you could only be ever married to one person because that was the only person you ever loved. But as we got older and became more knowledgable about the world, we also became more practical and understanding that our own selfish emotions are sometimes our own worst enemies.
I mean yeah, I love my dad, but I have seen and experienced first hand how tiring and stressful taking care of the terminally ill and ill-tempered could be ll the time, and I only did it for a year (with my grandmother who passed of cancer--I loved that woman and we were her heart and soul, but damn, when she threw a tantrum, she threw a tantrum. And it was nearly every day.) My mom was fortunate enough that my dad earned enough money so she could be a SAHM and could actually take care of my grandparents, but in this day and age when I have to work too? It's much harder.
Classic narcissism: inflated
Classic narcissism: inflated sense of their own importance. Yuck!
Here is another response on Facebook: this one is funnier.
"My dad and stepmom live in a retirement community in Florida. Every January, the snowbirds arrive, several newly widowed. There are approximately 387 single women for each single man. It's like an episode of Wild Kingdom how fast those ladies move, to make sure Bernard has a home-cooked meal each night. Louise calls it Parade of the Casseroles."
Parade of Casseroles! Love it!
Here is one more:
"Oh boy. My mother was the "Kathy" in this situation and it turned out horribly because the man was clearly NOT over his wife and neither were his adult children. Nor should they have been. For everyone involved, it's probably better to err on the side of caution and move slowly."
I think it all boils down to
I think it all boils down to this: Some adults are selfish a$$holes, some aren't.
We see it in the workplace, we see it in society in general. And we see it in families. They can be your own adult kids/relatives or they can be someone else's.
My sister was an absolute a$$ when my father started to date. You cannot imagine the hell she put him (and his female friends) through. Fits, ultimatums, etc.
I had no problem with him dating and liked the women my sister was trying to constantly oust.
Reason: My sister is a jacka$$ - not only when it came to our father but in many other areas of her life. My brother and I have much mellower and accepting personalities. That's just how we are.
There is no cure for jacka$$es, unfortunately. The main thing is to recognize them when you see them, and avoid them at all possible costs.
I think these people need to
I think these people need to be in counseling. Meaning the stepkids. I understand that they are sad but this is an issue of theirs that they need to work out on their own.
I started dating my current
I started dating my current husband about 6 weeks after my first husband died. Some people had problems with it, but apparently I did not nor did dh. Kids were too little (1 and 2)to know any different. In some ways, i feel like dh saved my life. I was in rough spot. My first marriage was full of difficulties (addiction issues)and I hadn't felt "in love" for some time although loved him as a person. Had two small children. My first dh died in a rather public, tragic sort of manner and I lived in a small community. So what greater gift to me than for God to provide me the opportunity to fall in love again? I felt it was just meant to be. One door closed and another opened and all of that stuff. There were some that told me to take time to "grieve"-how freaking depressing is that? Do you know how depressing that is to someone who just lost someone? I didnt want to feel bad, I wanted to feel better. I wanted to explore new opportunities, make this a turning point in my life, to put it on a better track, to put ME on a better track-NOT sit around and grieve.
So I've always applauded anyone that can find love again after losing a spouse. It is a wonderful wonderful thing. Both my parents are still alive and together and if anything ever happened to either one of them I sincerly hope that they would find some nice man or lady to spend the rest of their days with. My only concern would be that they find someone good to them.
Kids/adults/entitled people in general are out of control these days. We, as individuals, have no business in other people's relationships (except perhaps our minor childrens). I dont even recall ever thinking like that. It was part of the reason I was somewhat flabbergasted last year when ss point blank told me if his dad wasnt going to be with his mom he didnt really think he should be with anyone. WTF, kid? Your parents divorced 12 years ago! You were 1. You are almost 14 years old. Move on. Get your own life-stop worrying about your parents, who both remarried long ago and have had subsequent children
I would have killed to have
I would have killed to have found someone for my dad when my mother died. Mid 70s. He dated some but just didn't want someone around all the time (except for me).
And from that article it sounds like the dad is going out with several women. That's healthier than just glomming on to the first person they meet.
What's the dad supposed to do - sit around and wait for the daughter to give him a few crumbs of her time?
As posted by 2tired - some people are just selfish assholes.
My brother is like this. Our
My brother is like this. Our dad died 3.5 years ago, my sisters and I all encourage our mom to date my brother flips out! We had to give his dumb@ss a beat down one night because my mom actually made plans to go out with a guy she met at Lowe's and threw an epic tantrum. He seemed really nice.