Step daughters disrespect and partner too laid back
Anxiety through the roof!!
SD19 and SD16 lost mum 12 years ago and been brought up by horizontal dad.... too laid back. Understand the loss etc etc but when it comes to parenting I'm on my own. Hes to soft with them, scared for any disagreement which means they are spoilt princesses!! I have a son of 13 which he ignores and has done since our 4 yr old came along. But that's not the issue here (although it's still a big issue)
Get on well with eldest, youngest seems to dislike me recently. But both have taken to going braless recently all the time. Its definitely started by the eldest and as a size 22 she isnt small up top! I know what I was like when I was younger and I went through same phases but theres no way I'd want to have been seen boobs bouncing round in front of my dad???? I dont get it, do they crave the attention from him, do they wish for my son to also see them.... it's not like its unnoticeable!! They dont seem to have any self respect, could they not just wear a cami or bra under a shortlist or put on a cardi when around the house?? As a parent I cover up but OH doesnt seem to understand?? He doesnt seem phased...
If they had had boyfriends before now on sure it would be different but how do i deal with this or am i being irrational? I'm really struggling here....
Help
Some people will say boobs
Some people will say boobs are natural, etc., but i understand where you are coming from. In each household there are expected rules of decorum and manners. Do you eat with your hands or use silverware? Does everyone rinse their dishes or do they just leave half-eaten food everywhere? Are clothes expected to be worn in common areas?
The adults should come up with the rules of the house, but after divorce or death, we have seen on this site that some parents are afraid to have standards for their kids. Or, maybe Daddy doesn't mind seeing his daughters' nipples at breakfast. But - you do, your opinion matters, and a bra or even a sweatshirt or robe doesn't seem like too much to ask.
Thankyou for the response. In
Thankyou for the response. In such a sexualised world I feel protective towards them and their naivety I guess?
Social media has so much to answer for and I'm sure what they see on sites is how they act but in this house it's not right. Ive discussed it before with eldest when she would sit at dinner table with boobs literally hanging out and its caused arguement with OH when you can see his glances in that direction (accidental or whatever) its gross ir when weve been public and shes been wearing see through leggings or clothes several times too small. He doesnt seem to care at all? It's like its come back again but in a different form.
Maybe it's just me.... but I'm sure if I was to walk round like that something would be said or if my son walked round half naked it would be an issue??
My take
I would be grossed out by this it is totally inappropriate attire unless they are waitressing at Hooters! You said it has caused arguments because you have seen DH looking..well how can he not its in your face! That would really turn me off of him. Forget nooky time, he can get his desires filled by staring at his booby daughter. Just ewwww.
I would tell her straight forward. Please cover up its awkward for my son and dang you should feel awkward that daddy is invited to the show. Remember to wipe down the pole what with covid and all. Yea I would be that forward LOL
Some of these SD's are so f*cked in the head. Its like they compete for daddys attentionGROSS
To me, the fact that *you*
To me, the fact that *you* don't want to look at their breasts in your own kitchen or living room is reason enough. You are an equal parent in that house, and if you feel strongly about it, you have a right to insist their breasts be covered in common areas.
You will probably get sharply divided opinions on this, and it all comes down to values. Yes, the human body is a natural thing and bras are not. However, deodorant and toilet paper aren't natural either, but i insist both are used by my kids in my home. I'm not walking around sniffing people but if the smell is overpowering, i will say something. Same with body parts. I have told my daughter to go back in her room and put more clothes on before. My son too.
Some people feel differently. Some take it to the other extreme and are ok with nudity in common areas. I would not live with these people (or want to sit on their couch), but to each their own! This is your house, though. You and your husband make the rules. If you don't agree on the rules, it's a difference in values.
Thankyou.
Thankyou.
I've not mustered the strength to today. I'll have to bring it up with OH tomorrow and hopefully he will engage in conversation and go forward together as parents......
Their bodies are not yours to
Their bodies are not yours to police. They are absolutely allowed to dress the way they want. This is their home, not a job with a dress code. If your husband or son can't handle it, that's their issue, not the girls. Why does 2 young women being comfortable with their bodies and who they are bother you so much?
Maybe OP's kid can get his
Maybe OP's kid can get his privates out or wear tighty-whities at the dinner table, too, if it makes him comfortable. What a ridiculous response.
Why can't he? Again, it is
Why can't he? Again, it is his body. What exactly is ridiculous about body autonomy, especially in one's own home? It sounds like OP is the only one uncomfortable because she has this out-dated impression that bra-less breasts are bad. Why are bras necessary?
Men in general are aware of
Men in general are aware of braless breasts. And breasts that are in a bra for that matter. Particularly in the US. However, not all breasts are created equal and not all are aesthetically pleasing braless.
Don't get me wrong. As a man, for me, there is no such thing as a bad breast. But there are breasts that are beautiful without a bra, some that are beautiful with a bra but not without, and there are breasts that are beautiful both in a bra and without a bra.
Generally overweight women with large breasts do not have breasts that are particularly attractive without a bra. Your eldest SD as a size 22 in all likelihood falls in this classification.
My reference is for when the woman is standing. During intimacy and horizontal activities, all bets are off and all breasts are beautiful.
There is a recent thread that went deeply into this topic. It dealt with a SM who went braless in her own home and the exception that her DH took to her doing that with his prior failed family son in the blended marital home. My opinion on that is that even a husband has no business commenting on his bride having to wear a bra in his bride's own home. PERIOD!
This is different. These are dependent children, adult or not, and they wear a damn bra if you or DH tells them to wear a bra.
End of debate.
Keep it simple. You decide if they wear bras in YOUR home during waking hours. If they take exception to that, both SD's can GTF out of our home.
My incredible bride is very chesty though a curvy super model body type. She a size 6-8, 5'10"+, a tall beauty with G-H cup breasts. They are perfect on her body and shape. They are beautiful with and without a bra.
My XW is just as tall as my incredible bride though she was a very athletic slender small chested body type while we were married. I am being generous saying she was an A cup. She also had beautiful breasts. Neither of my wives would go braless in public. Period. Even if we are in our evening flop togs in our own home, if we have overnight guests, she is in a bra until she and I retire for the evening. If it is just she and I, she often will doff the bra when she gets home from work. I am a fan either way.
Your home, your rules, even regarding their boobs.
Since we have unrelated
Since we have unrelated teenagers of different genders in the house. I have a hard rule that private areas are covered in common areas of the house. You want to go braless do it in your room.
The other reason is I have always been raised it's part of basic manners. If your in your home alone do what you want. But when other people are around, like steps relatives, friends cover up.
I know it's different in other countries and cultures and that's fine if it's normal and not seen as a big deal.
Unfortunately it's hard here in America because everything is sexualized and that's what these kids are exposed to day in and day out.
As a mother of 4 daughters
As a mother of 4 daughters and 2 SDs I'm going to stay out of the right to do as you please arguments and offer this up as an alternative. Make those nasty to you stepdaughters comfortable and they will never leave. As adults in the house you have the right to set the standards in your house. When they complain, just remind them that they can live any way they want when they move out. Until then they wear a bra and cover up the kooch. Your rules. Period.
Thanks for the response. I
Thanks for the response. I think I do need to stand my ground for the all of us more on certain topics. Appreciate feedback
My Dh finally saw the light (or more appropriately the dark)
I have kind of the same issue with my sd12 not with her boobs though with her arse. I swear I've seen more of her arse than I've seen of my own children's in their lives (and I obviously changed a hell of a lot of nappies/diapers) her shorts literally go alllllll the way up it and everyone gets the show. I started making jokes originally saying things like wow sd12 I can see what you had for breakfast. Eventually moved onto please for all that is holy can you cover your arse I really really don't want to see it anymore. Your not a baby I'm not changing your nappy/diaper I really don't need to be seeing it all. Wear whatever you want when your not in front of me but I don't want to see it. We are in feb and in the uk which means the weather is absolutely freezing. We had snow today and it's forecast for the rest of the week. This past weekend sd12 came here in a skirt that was so short you could see the bottom of her butt even stood up. As she bent down to get something out of the dishwasher she gave her daddy the absolute full show both daddy and daughter were mortified after his "oh my god sd12 what the hell??" And she resorted to wearing pants for the rest of the weekend. Hopefully this means she will be a little more reserved in future. I hope you can do/say something that will help with this x
Oh I do hope that has worked
Oh I do hope that has worked for you. It's so difficult with kids at these young ages.
Why do u care about this?
Why do u care about this? CLEARLY, the father doesnt even care about the way they dress around him or else he would have voiced being uncomfortable
Some families are weird like that, all you can do is leave them be....I dont think its your biz anyway
I see no problem with going
I see no problem with going braless. They are are damn uncomfortable things.
I'm petite with big boobs. To
I'm petite with big boobs. To be honest, I HATE wearing a bra. If it's just me and my SO at his place, I just don't care to wear one. But when the girls come over, I'll put on a sports bra, or at the very least throw on a cardigan or scarf so I'm covered even though I'm bra less. I don't want to see their nips, and I'm sure they don't want to see mine. And full disclosure, I haven't worn a bra for like a month due to an injury. There's ways to go braless without showing anything.
Can't believe these people saying this is okay...
I get it, not all of us want to wear bras when we are relaxing at home. However, I would never do this when I was a teenager living with my parents, because I had siblings and parents. I had common decency and didn't need other people in the house to see that. Now, I am in charge of my own household. On days the stepkids are gone, we are childfree and I can go without a bra. When the kids are in the house, the bra comes on. It's a matter of being appropriate, especially in your case if you have sons!!!
I would figure out what matters to the girls. Do they care about...say...a door on their room? Gone. Their phones? Gone after 9pm. Laptops? Gone after 9pm. I would take something away and make it hurt... Your house, your rules. I would take away things until they realize they are living under your roof and if they want to live like they pay the bills, well, they are gonna have to sacrifice some things.
Your husband needs a backbone, sounds like to me. You can always try the nice way first and say, 'look, you are making people uncomfortable with the inappropriate attire in the house, I understand that bras suck, but please cover up a bit more in the main household. If you want to be braless in your room, that's perfectly fine, but be decent elsewhere.'