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Cookiemonster's picture

Matt has booked a surprise trip to Disney land! I was so excited to go with him and Alice but since he has revealed that his other daughter Samara is also coming i'm now feeling nothing but dread. For context: I live with my partner Matt and (step) daughter Alice.  Samara (stepchild) lives with her mum. I need some advice on how to not feel uncomfortable around Samara and how to not be obvious that I'm not having a good time when we go away because neither Matt or I have ever been to Disney land and he was so excited when he booked it and I can't bear to have him think that there's a shadow cast on the trip. 

long story: Samara (age 10 at the time) and Alice (aged 7 at the time) moved in with Matt and I back in 2021 when he asked for full custody and their bio mum agreed. The first 3-6 months was what I think is fairly normal with adjustments and Samara just pulling sickies to get out of school. Nothing bad. Matt often has to go away for long periods at a time on ship so I'm the full time career (or was). This was never an issue for me. I was a stepchild myself as a kid and I felt I knew what was to come and I'd be somewhat compassionate.  From day dot, Alice has Embraced me as a bonus-mum and really sees no issue in loving me and having fun with me. It's never hard work besides keeping tidy and remembering things for her. However, I can't even maintain eye contact with Samara. I'm ashamed to admit it even to my partner but there is a part of me that is a little bit afraid of her. And I'm SO uncomfortable.   
3-6 months in Samara couldn't keep up the nice girl act any more and was getting found out for lots of things like  hitting her sister, lying about everything (even things that didn't need to be lied about), stealing money (even from her biological mum when she went to see her). For a 10 year old she was overly sexual with how she held herself and spoke to 'men' (not boys her age). She even caused issues by seeking out sexual encounters on a chat roulette site that exposed her friend and her younger brother to a strangers genatalia. She is obsessed with anime porn so we were constantly on watch for her screen time use and checking her sisters phone. In the end we removed the phone completely. She would stare at me coldly and in a way that really freaked me out (once I woke up from a nap and she was just staring at me whilst I was sleeping but it really scared me because of how she was looking at me). Sometimes when Matt was away, Samara would have been so bad that week that I'd sleep in the same bed as Alice in case she did something (I was always sure she wouldn't but I felt there was a risk).  If I ever told her off she would look at me like she was gonna run at me. I'm quite a small women and Samara is built like a female rugby player and now much taller than me and she is intimidating.  She's threatened to punch people in school. My life started crashing down around me when she refused to come home from school by telling them that she "didn't feel safe at home". Samara is calculating and a lot smarter than she lets on at least that's what I think... I feel like I'm going crazy because this feels like a horror movie and stuff like this just doesn't happen to normal people! She knows exactly what to say to get peoples attention and immediately social services was involved. On numerous occasions she's has accused me of abuse including physically assaulting her which i did not. I didn't trust her on her own with her sister who she seemed to have a jealous hate for quite often. In the end with all the accusations and the nature of matts job as a mariner she couldn't stay with us so she moved back to her mums. I was on the edge of a nervous breakdown. I felt relief when she left and then guilt that I had failed. All I ever did was try to love both of them and do everything for them but in the end, Samara terrified me with how dangerous she could be and how nasty she was. 
 

Life is SO much better now. Alice gets the attention she needs and deserves as we are not dealing with Samara. Samara is supposed to come at weekends but since she moved out she has not wanted to come down to see us. 
 

Now I'm going on what should be the best holiday ever and I'm dreading it. How am I supposed to play happy families with a child that I feel so uncomfortable around? Please... I NEED some advice. And is anyone else going through this? Is this normal teenager stuff? I feel like it isn't but I so need someone to tell me it is. Is Alice going to start the same things? 
 

- Cookie Monster 

AgedOut's picture

I don't have any advice other than Dad should make himself be invisibly handcuffed to her the entire time and honestly, that sucks for you, him and her sister. 

I just wanted to reply and let you know I read it and my heart hurts for you. 

Cookiemonster's picture

Hello thanks so much for reaching out. He's incredibly supportive and I think this will be the case. I just want to feel the excitement instead of worrying. Appreciate the kind words of encouragement. 

Evil4's picture

Just so you know, you might want to take the names out of your post. You could get identified if anyone found you here.

Anyway, it is way beyond normal teenage stuff and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. I would not go on this trip. I would not want to risk being in a hotel room or anywhere alone with your SD. Her presence ruins the trip for you anyway, so you might as well stay home and have some nice alone time. Read that great book you've been wanting to read, go to that neat new spa that just opened up, connect with a friend you haven't seen in a while. The tension wouldn't be worth it if you went on the trip. Let the three have their bonding time while you have unlimited bubble baths and netflix time. 

Evil4's picture

Oh, and if you really want a trip, you can do what I've done many times. Go on your own. Even if it's just for a weekend. The best trips I've ever been on were solo trips. 

Rumplestiltskin's picture

I think OP is afraid that S will hurt her younger sister. It sucks but if the dad is determined to have them both go, he might have to handle it alone. Also, him handling it alone will allow him to see things as they really are. If he is the type of dad we read about here a lot, though, he won't take them alone. These guys are too afraid or lazy to actually be with their own children without stepmom as a workhorse and buffer. ETA not to insult this guy. Idk if he is that way. I hope not, but OP will find out if she backs out and lets the 3 of them go together. 

Cookiemonster's picture

Hi! Matt is an actively involved parent. Always has been. He was involved and would even take public transport to see his kids when they were living with mum. He'd always wanted custody because he was missing out on everything just because he and the biological mum didn't work out. When we moved in together I agreed to take the kids on because the biological mum was struggling and Matt asked her if he could have the girls come live with us and she said yes. After two years, Samara went back to biological mums and Alice chose to stay with us; seeing her mum every other weekend and for 50% of the holidays. We are supposed to have Samara every other weekend and 50% of the holidays but since moving back to her mums she has cancelled last minute or made an excuse not to come. 
Matt is the perfect partner in my mind when it comes to being a step mum. He sees what is happening. He knows that kids aren't always perfect and has my back. We are each others rock and I wish more partners could be like him as so many people on here have described a situation in which I'd have broken if Matt was like them in the circumstances I've been subjected to. 
 

the only reason I believe he wants me to go is because he loves me and believes I am just as important a family member as Alice and Samara. I genuinely think he'd miss me and be upset I missed the experience together. 

Cookiemonster's picture

Hi and thanks for taking time to read and reply. I changed all the names to make it easier to write. I still don't get all these acronyms. 
 

I feel relief that it's not just teenage stuff. Because she is now 12 and swearing and cussing at people. Alice is now 10 and so obviously I was worried she'd change from her kind natured self. 
 

I've committed to going on the trip. My partner supports me massively and I want to do the same. Although I have read through all of the comments and agree that I cannot and will not be left alone with her at any point.  He's a great dad and has also been put wrongly in the firing line with accusations although they were less damning than the ones I faced. He's just trying to be a good dad by not leaving her out and I feel so bad for him because he is hurting. We both tried everything and he even took time off work to try and find out what the root problem was. Therapy and psychologists did not help us as they have a confidentiality agreement so we have not once been told why she is acting like this. She no longer hits her sister like in the past but still continues to say hurtful things or try and manipulate her. Alice had a short term of therapy to enable to her to be comfortable saying no and standing up for herself which has been very successful and she is now her own person. Matt just wanted a great family life he's devastated at the outcome.  I term myself as a friend to their mother and have done everything to not be the "wicked stepmother" and feel I have a decent cooarenting relationship with their biological mother. 
 

I have always wanted to go and following some advice from a friend have tried to stop thinking of all the bad things that could happen and hope that just for one holiday, Samara will play nice. Even if it's fake I will take it. I desperately want Matt to have a positive outcome because i think it's crushing him. 
 

I'll take any advice on how to handle a SD (ooh I got one!) that clearly hates me when on a trip. It's been about 5 months since I last had to parent her so I am feeling a bit anxious even though Matt will be there doing most of the parenting. 

Rags's picture

Enjoy yourself, do not tolerate Samara's crap.  If she pulls the usual, scrub her nose in it and make sure daddy can't ignore her crap.

Have your own plans so when it happens, you can dance off to do your own thing leaving SO to deal with the crap he is trying to force you wallow in.

Be confident, but be prepared and do not let them consume your trip.

Have the things you are interested in mapped out. The second she pulls her crap, walk off and do your own thing.  Be ready to book a table for 1 at all of the great restaurants you are interested in, leave them to wallow in their crap.

Rumplestiltskin's picture

Your SO was wrong to just add S to the trip without consulting you. What exactly has he done to fix S's behavior? 10 and sending sexually explicit images online? Falsely accusing you of abuse? This girl is deeply disturbed. If you guys can't stay in the same house together without problems no way should you be staying in a hotel together with no preparation. I don't think you guys should go. 

Cookiemonster's picture

Hi and thanks for reading and responding. I have to admit that when he first mentioned she was coming I was a bit taken aback. However I know it came from a good place. Regardless of what Samara has done, she's still his daughter so I don't think he even considered her not coming. He wanted to surprise me with a festive trip to Disneyland as he knows I've always wanted to go (and so has he).  I wasn't going to talk to him about my concerns but we are honest with each other and in the end I decided that keeping it on steptalk wasn't the only way.  He has said that it's kind of a test-the-water trip. He's assured me that if she in any way disrespects anyone on the trip or is naughty that he will handle it and potentially not have her come on any future trips.  We are actually planning another trip just me him and Alice next year to do an activity that samara had actively said she wouldn't want to come and do so we are going without her as due to her personality we know it would end up being uncomfortable and a waste of expenses. He has also booked time away for us just the two of us. He explained he's hoping that she feels more comfortable at her biological mothers and that the time and space apart (Samaras choice, not ours) will have put less pressure on mine and her relationship. He could be right so I'm going to give it a try. I do think you're right about being prepared though I don't know what to expect. Matt thinks that she will be fine for the trip because she will be having fun and it wont be that day to day home experience with bedtimes, rules etc. I hope he's right though as I would like to have a nice time!

CLove's picture

Im in camp DontGoButGo alone.

She sounds like trouble and at 10, it only gets worse as they get older. She hasnt fully come into her phychopathy yet.

Cookiemonster's picture

Well you are completely right. She was 10 but is now 12 and it has definitely got worse. I'm just relieved that I'm not the main carer anymore as she has moved back to her biological mothers. It wasn't feasible as Matt is often away for great lengths on ship and I was left to deal with that. 
 

I tried thinking of excuses not to go. But I'm not going to let her have her way and cut me out. She needs to understand that I am part of her fathers life and to like it or lump it. Also... Matt and I have gone through some very testing times because of Samara; and we are still very much in love and trucking on. I couldn't not go because he is excited to go with me as well as with the children. It would hurt his feelings and I don't want to do that. Now that I'm not dealing with it day in day out I feel that I should put up with it every so often. He's a great dad, and Alice is an example of that. I don't know what the deal is with Samara but it's not his fault. 
 

Do you really think it's psychopathy? She hasn't always lived with us and she is just a child. Despite her horrific actions I want to question whether there is an underlying issue or medical problem? How can both children be SO wildly different?

CLove's picture

Or at the minimum sociapoathy. Ask me how I know.

SD24 Feral Forger when I met her was violent and nasty to her younger sister (who now despises her) SD17 Powersulk. 

My SD's are almost exactly how you describe yours, except FF SD24 has the ability to be nice to people, isnt physically violent. She is manipulative and lies and steals and is mean and gross as a person. She has no drivers license and her mother toxic troll things she has at one time or another gotten money for "favors". Just gross.

Powersulk has generally been nice, kind and respectful to me except her loyalties are always with her mother, and father sometimes. When she gets triggered, told no on something, or any time Ive tried to parent (even when asked!) thats when Ive experienced her potential darker side. 

Youve decided to go, so its best to prepare yourself ahead of time. Be ready to record her. Be on your guard. At all times. Focus on having fun and your partner needs to agree to be vigilant at all times. 

Good luck!!!!

Cookiemonster's picture

Wow thanks for your reply. Yeah I have a really amazing bond with Alice but no relationship at all with Samara. samara too can have the ability to be nice which always makes it worse because everyone says what a sweet kid she can be and then it makes me wonder whether people think she's not the problem and maybe Matt and I are *sorry2*

Hes going to be doing most of the parenting but I am also prepared to snub out any misdemeanours. And potentially will explore the idea of going around and doing things alone if it gets bad. I'm hoping she can fake it for one trip. Not only for me but for Matt as I know it's upsetting him too. 

shamds's picture

Would i do a family outing or holiday with sd's. I saw early on the warning signs they were trying to destroy our marriage but hubby was delusional believing they were great. 
 

turns out they admitted finally to my husband how they despised me and our 2 kids existence because after they ended contact with their dad for 5.5 yrs, they didn't want him to move on with life

reality dawned upon them that hubby preferred me and our 2 kids compared to kids with exwife. Every trip they would disrespect me, talk me down, act like they were in a superior position of authority regarding my kids and try to make my kids sick like attempting to give them food poisoning etc. 

i tolf hubby i would never allow our kids around them because they're such toxic people to be around and frankly not at all pleasant. So we do our owb holidays and hubby years ago told them that he wasn't gonna play 2 separate families

his time is already limited and he isn't gonna do 2 separate things between us and them because they refuse to be civil. Its been 5.5 yrs of no contact and life is great.

hubby tried a few yrs back to attempt behind my back sd's come with us for a family wedding. I made it clear to him if they were gonna be present I would refuse to go as they were always dressed in black like in a state of mourning if me and our kids were there but dressed in colours if I wasn't there.

i just wasn't gonna waste my time dealing with that nonsense

Cookiemonster's picture

Hello! Your life at that low point sounds like the nightmares I was imagining my future might be. We are open and honest as a family unit and whilst Samara was living with us we decided that we couldn't keep putting our life on hold because one child is always naughty. We both wanted to have a baby together (I have none of my own kids). We told the children and Alice was delighted but I ended up in tears because Samara was just awful and said some really hurtful things before going up to her room. And no, I didn't expect that reaction because despite all of the bad times, we did also have really nice times and interactions. So I naively thought she'd be excited (a lot of my friends had been having babies and she seemed like a natural mother and seemed to like babies). After that and looking back on her interactions with Alice I was worried and started thinking of what she may do to them or at the very least just push toxic behaviour. I no longer think this will affect us as she is not living here and will be grown by the time my future children can understand but I do still wonder how family holidays will work *sad*

Cookiemonster's picture

Thanks for all the comments and advice guys. I have decided I am going to go and I have expressed my worries to Matt. Is anyone else in the same situation? I'll update with how it goes in the hope that someone else can benefit from my experience. 

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