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Help with a stepchild that hits her father, me and her biological grandfather.

Senebou4's picture

Hello, 

I am literally only 4 hours new to this. I became a step parent about 5 months ago to a lovely little girl. She is 5 and a 1/2 years old. She is very smart and outgoing, which I think is fantansic. However, the child therapist and her father both agreed she can be very manipulative. Her mother...is a difficult person....and herself has slapped her ex husband and other family members during heated agruments (this is what my husband is telling me). My husband wants me to co-parent with him (although I'm sure the ex thinks otherwise) And I noticed this manipulative behavior from our SD as she interacts with my husband. At first she would only hit my husband and he has told her multiple times to not hit him. 

 

The pass two times I was with my SD and husband the SD went into angry fits of crying, screaming at us saying "we are the worse", and hitting my husband then kicking me. The second time she slapped me on the face because her ipad in the car wasn't working so I tried to play I spy with her. I know she was very tired those last two times...but we did find out from the babysitter that SD hit her grandfather (from the mother's side) as well. This is rather concerning because I feel her bio mom is responding in anger as well (which is understandable) but is not taking the time to figure out why her daughter is throwing violent tantrums. 

 

This has put a huge strain between myself and my husband because he asked me to co-parent so when SD is with us I feel like I end up being "bad cop" and I do not want that kind of relationship with my SD. Her and I have had lovely times together before and I want to continue that relationship. I expressed this to my husband and he responds with anger and says "so I should just go harder on her (SD) and not love her." Obviously, that is not what I am saying; rather, I am saying he needs to put in more discipline if he truely wants his daugther to not end up like his ex. (The daugther spends 75% of her time with mom and mom is wanting to have more). As mentioned, the bio mother is a toxic person...she has some good qualities (she is highly intellegent, successful, a go-getter, has great teeth and pretty) yet she has her own self-healing she must work on. She will withhold love unless you do what she says. Her anger, resenment, and manipulative attitude makes her a loaded gun.

I feel my hands are tied because of her bio-mom. I want my SD to have all the positive qualities of bio-mom but I am afraid she is picking up the negative more. What do I do?! (PS. I am the other woman so I am not expecting to have tea with this woman but I am expecting her to have her daugthers' best intentions in mind...) 

 

Any advice to a new SD would be great! 

susanm's picture

Your DH gets mad at you because you do not want to be hit by a child?  You have got to be kidding.  Wow, I thought mine was enabling!  You might want to mention to him that one day soon she will be in school with other kids and she is goiing to hit the wrong one.  One who is going to punch her "lovely" little face in.  If he doesn't want that to happen he had better take her to a shrink and get it under control.  If the problem is the mother's influence, possibly her disciplining the child with violence so that she is learning the lesson that violence is the right way to solve problems, then a custody modification filing following the shrink's evaluation may be appropriate.  There is time to turn this girl around but at 5 and a half she is quickly forming the basis of her personality.

Senebou4's picture

He gets an angry tone with me when I brought it up. He then mentioned he agreed with me that he does need to discipline the SD more. The idea of her being hit by the wrong person is a good point to bring up. I mentioned that to him about someday I predict the ex (bio mom) will finally hit her daughter. (I do not think bio mom hits her daughter). However, the SD she is so strong willed whoever hits her is getting a punch back. 

She does see a child physcologist and he feels she is developing fine. My husband and his ex filed a mutual divorce so the lawyer is suppose to be an unbaised third party. My husband has mentioned he feels that the lawyer has taken a biased against him because of the wife's manipulation tactics. (Keep in mind I am the other woman, they were married when I met him) He is looking for another lawyer but feels their oringial mutual agreement would have to be done over all again. I have urged him to get another lawyer so we can have more custody of the SD. 

Notup4it's picture

At 5 years old she is hitting people like that?! That is insane.... and I would say not normal.

i would tell her that hitting is against the law and if she hits you again or someone else that you will have to call the police to come.  My ex had a daughter who was about 5-6 and would hit him (she wouldn’t dare hit me) but when I told her that it was the last time she hit anyone. 

elkclan's picture

OK, this is the hard and unvarnished truth. You are the other woman. His wife (they are still married) no matter how abusive she was and no matter how unbalanced she is - she has a right to feel angry about the betrayal.

Now, I get this. I have had an affair, too. More pertinent, my SO was in a situation like this. He was married to a verbally and emotionally abusive woman - he suspects BPD and I tend to agree based on the experiences I've had with her. She is emotionally abusive to the kids. He had every right to leave. In his own mind he left of his own accord, but the reality was he ended up with a woman he was having an affair with (not me). BM was angry. Super angry. He still (stupidly) thinks that she doesn't know for sure that he was having an affair, but BM is not an idiot (like yours has many good qualities - including intelligence). She knew, she just couldn't PROVE. What she has failed to realise is that her behaviour is what really drove him away, because the other woman was also married and they did not actually get together officially for another year. The other woman was a catalyst and not THE reason. But BM will never realise this because it would mean acknowledging her own behaviour. She never was able to accept SO's new GF and continued in anger for their entire relationship. It's not plain sailing with me either, but I have the advantage that I am not the other woman in their divorce. That woman was a constant reminder of what she felt was an unforgivable betrayal and that may well be you. 

BM had children about your SD's age. She involved them in emotional matters well beyond their years. It was turbulent and awful and it was no doubt difficult for them to process this. If the BM in your life is unable to handle her own emotions - she will not be able to protect her daughter and in fact will be exposing her to more turbulence. She has a right to be angry and people who are already unbalanced emotionally are not able to handle that anger in a mature way and the backlash hits their kids even if they don't want it to. 

SD is angry. She has a right to be. Her home life has been broken up and after only 5 months or so daddy wants to get some stranger to co-parent her. She is only little so can't handle her anger. She doesn't have a good model of handling anger from BM. It's no wonder she reacts this way. 

This is not a case of discipline alone. This is a case of helping her to handle her anger in better ways. But this is a case of discipline in terms of dealing with outbursts of violence which is never acceptable.

Whatever you do - DO NOT HIT BACK. SD needs a model of handling anger that is better. But also you could be in serious legal jeopardy.

Unfortunately, I also see red flags in your SO's behaviour. This 'poor me you don't want me to love my daughter' business is dangerous and a form of emotional manipulation. Sorting that kid out is going to be hard work and require patience, he doesn't seem to want to do that. Perhaps that's why he's pushing co-parenting so hard. Your job - at most - right now is to support him in parenting. It is NOT YOUR PLACE to parent this kid - yet.  And frankly, your relationship has everything stacked against it - if you care about this kid, keep a bit of distance, because the likelihood is that you will be another loss, too. So give it time before you go in with hands-on parenting. 

I've been with my step kids for over a year and I'm only now really 'parenting' them and disciplining them. And I have a bio son their same age so it's not like I've not been actively parenting in front of them. 

 

 

Senebou4's picture

I agree with many of the points you say. I agree the ex has rights to be mad (she always will be that her burden), she won't admit her behavior drove her ex away. (My husband told me they tried much therapy over 15 years and he told her the only way the relationship was going to work is if they had seperate sides of the house and he was leaving. She pull in the divorce first). The SD has her right too to be confused, hurt and angry but not to hit. 

My husband and I dicussed this and he is agreement that SD behavior was not okay and something needs to be done. He apologized for his behavior and agreed he needs to be the active force behind her care. We discussed that he will punish her more when called for and we wrote up an action plan for next time she hits us and health dialouge we can use to help her address her feelings. He did talk to SD that if she keeps hitting us she will not be welcomed back. (That is last resort) 

It will definetly take time to for everyone but I have many friends that had step parents and they all had positive things to say. This is a great opportunity for evenone to grow. 

elkclan's picture

WHAT THE F???? Not welcomed back??? That is HIS CHILD. A very young child at that - they take these messages to heart. Do you think he will be blamed? It will be you. 

I'm not saying the punishment shouldn't be severe but severe for the age of the child. Isolation in her room, removal of privileges, immediately leaving a fun place. Tantruming about an iPad? You remove the iPad - not tell her she can't be with her parent.

Good luck. You guys need it. Watch some SuperNanny. Read a book about parenting. This is one of the worst things I've heard here...

 

 

Senebou4's picture

We have already tried punishing and telling her no. Privileges were taken away, timeouts dealt, ipad locked, and we took stars away from her chore chart...nothing stuck. She had continued this behavior and is seeing a child shrink. We are working on her telling us what is wrong and her feelings to us. It is going to take time. However, this behavior has spread to her bio mother's side of the family but they do little to stop the behavior. So would punishments even work then, no. But she is highly intellegent and knows this behavior is not accepted.  

Would you want to be with someone that hits you? Would you welcome them back?

Her father loves her very much, he is the most devoted father you will find. Women compliment (including my family) on how devoted he is to his daugther. It hurts him as much as it hurts his SD to tell her if her behavior doesn't change she is not welcomed back. But he realizes the severity of the matter and does not want to grow up to an abusive individual. 

Kes's picture

Welcome to the site! Your partner needs to address this seriously abnormal behaviour of hitting, NOW, and stop putting the ball in your court.  I wouldn't hit back, but I would physically restrain a child that was hitting me or another, or threatening to hit, and I would put the child in a "time out" in its room.   

I don't know what age children start school where you are, but where I live in the UK it is usually around 4.5 yrs.  No teacher is going to put up with a child that constantly hits others, so it is likely the child will be excluded from mainstream school.  

Honestly, I suggest a come to Jesus meeting with your partner and find out how he proposes to address this, right away.  

advice.only2's picture

Wait I'm confused, he's going through a divorce yet is re-married to you? How did he get around the system to do that?

Hmm so a child who hits you and a husband who gets angry at you because his child is hitting you, oh and he's a cheater to boot, please tell me what redeeming qualities (aside from good teeth) this man has?

Thumper's picture

Welcome to ST

I see by your bio that you have been with us for a few hours. 

There may be serious reasons your husbands child hits family plus YOU. A child Psychologist should be able to get to the bottom on it. Could be mental health issues and if that is true the school would have told DH his child is hitting other students AND staff. You would already know about that.

Problem is BM has not told her daughter MOMMY and DADDY love you. Mommy and daddy are not married anymore.  When you go to daddy you must never hit anyone. If you are sad or mad you must use your words.  Daddy wife is NICE and you will have fun with her. BE a good girl and never hurt anyone ok?

MOM is failing her kid...and dad, well being mad at you is not his best moment. GET that kid in to a Dr of child Psychology. Nothing less than those credentials will be epic failure.

Senebou4's picture

SD is seeing a child physchologist once a month as per the parenting plan. The child physchologist felt SD was doing fine. Bio mom is vindictive and is living her past drama through her child. And SD has expressed love to me and her father. It seems when she is frustrated and cranky that she begins the hitting, which is understandable but not acceptable. However, she does know her actions are not okay. 

Senebou4's picture

They went through years of couples therapy. BM's emotional and mental health is something she wants to fix....she is unwilling to seek help. 

Husband wanted more custody of the SD and knew the mutual lawyer could not help. So the best next step was to get another lawyer. I encouraged and urged him that is a good idea. 

She drove her husband away with her behavior, he walked out on her because of the physical and emotional abuse. I have seen this woman in action as she interacted with his employees. She would fire his office staff, yelling at his staff calling them useless. This woman told me a story of how one winter day she made her daugther walk outside barefoot as punishment for not putting her shoes on. I can believe she is of a violent nature. Also, speaking to my husband's brother, the brother mention the ex-wife would push him. BM had death threats made to her from her past graduate school classmates, was sued by a doctor for a business deal, and was kicked out of a research lab from her mentor.

Insofar as 'co-parenting' my intentions are to not be her a replacement as a mother. My duty is to teach her how to be a high functioning productive adult. Teach her it is okay to make mistakes and learn from them. Teach her healthy life choices. Teach her a love for learning. Teach her how to properly display her emotions. Teach her hitting is not okay. 

 

Rags's picture

Keep it simple.  Set the standards of reasonable behavior in your home and enforce those  standards with escalating unpleasant age appropriate consequences.

Both of you enforce them.  If he doesn’t like how you parent and discipline then he can step up and get it done before you have to or STFU and have your back.

This requires a foundation of the two of you being equity life partners and equity parents to any spawn in your household regardless of spawn biology.

Or in shorter words.... someone put this toxic crotch nugget over their knee and light her ass up.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

No one applied effective consequences to BM’s backside when she was a violent toxic crotch dropping and look at that outcome.  This kid is a product of that same shallow and polluted gene pool.  To rescue this kid from the shallow and polluted half of her gene pool will take dedicated consistent effective enforcement of behavioral standards and application of escalating consequences.

Seeing her violent BM frog marched to the back of a police car in handcuffs would set the right tone for the life time effort this is going to take.

Senebou4's picture

Speaking as a child that grew up with an abusive father (emotionally and sometimes physically). Violence towards a child will not end the violence. I know BM was also abused in her childhood so regardless of "spankings" it is not health for the child. BM is in an unhealthy state of mind and needs to seek help for herself. Her ex (my husband) urged her to get treatment when they were married and she refused to change. Honestly, as toxic as the ex-wife is, I cannot help but feel sorry for her. However, that is no excuse for her behavior. The cycle of violence ends when there is no more violence. 

The reason why I turned out okay was because my mother and other members of my family were my support group. Naturally, it also took me therapy and constant self reflection to mold myself into a healthy mindset, still am. My fear is that BM cannot even better herself for her child's sake, which is why my husband is wanting more custody of the child. 

Naturally, the courts are more biased towards the mother. (Especially, given the circumstance that the husband walked out and had an affair with me. Of course any laywer or judge will be biased, understandable) The reason he left was because he knew long term the constant arguing was not healthy for his daugther to see. His needs weren't getting met, simple. BM does have every right to be mad...but she also refuses to look at her own behavior. In my experience and listening to many TED talks, I agree affairs happen because of both parties.

Nonetheless, I do agree it will take all parents (dad, BM, and myself) to help raise the child. I also agree, it will take multiple tries and attempts to make positive changes. The main thing is to ensure my husband and myself are on the same page, which we often are. As he knows I will always be by his side and he will always be encouraging me.