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mom-e-dearest's picture

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Had our Step Daughter for Easter Weekend. She was very excited to were her Easter Dress to Church on Sunday! SD and Me(Step-Mom) were at church Saturday for egg hunt. I asked her what she wanted to do with her hair tommorrow? Do you want to put it up, or curl it or would you like to go to the hairdresser's? She happily said yes lets go to the hairdresser, I know just what I would like to do to my hair. On the way she asked do you think my mom would get mad if I went and go my hair cut. I explained I dont think so we went before last year and got your hair cut. We arrived at hair salon and she told the women to give her a bob , they looked at some pictures and found a great cut. It looked wonderful she was so excited and pleased, She got many compliments that day and Easter. She showed her dad adn he told me oh were in trouble now her mom is gonna be mad you got her hair cut (he seems to know her well at times) (Now her hair was to her shoulders all one length and she has a short hair cut almost every summer). She said she likes her hair long in the winter and short for summer. We sent her mom a text message picture and she replied you look gorgeous.
When we met Sunday evening to drop her off Her Mother was very short maybe got out a whole sentence. My husband and I got back in the car and he said I told you she would be PO about the haircut. He said oh well she never calls me up to ask me If it is okay to get her hair cut, guess she have to diggy her panties out before she is nice again.
So REALLY is this something to get that upset about Come On ? Just will never understand some people.
Sad thing is she probably said something ill to Step Daughter-- Like "I wanted to go get my hair cut with you next weekend we could of went together" She makes her feel bad for doing things with us! SOOO SAD

aggravated1's picture

Honestly? I don't think you should have done it. If anything, your DH should have been with you and made the decision for the hair cut, and he could take the heat for it. It really wasn't your decision to make, and why would you paint such a LARGE target on your back?

mom-e-dearest's picture

Thank for you comment. My DH stands behind me with all of our kids he knows I would not make a rash descision you are right about him taking the heat but I dont mind having the blame and it seems that target has been there since my SD came part of my life. He was pleased with her haircut and so was SD. I feel mom just needs some time to absorb life is to short to be angry.

mom-e-dearest's picture

Very good comment, I understand your point of view in that is something you have always felt and it does seem disrespectful from your side knowing you wishes and you seem to be easy going about it.
Yet you are right I did not force her she knew exactly what she wanted Smile and it looks great. We went to the hair salon her dad goes to and she even got the lady's card (who did a wonderful job for a kids cut she checked it twice for any errors on her part) for her cousin that lives close by.
Will take this into consideration for the road ahead.
Thanks

mom-e-dearest's picture

I understand about bad hair cuts and this was a great salon , she took her time and made SD feel important!
You are right I was not trying to get her to do this and sneak one in on the MOM. Dad did not have a problem and would have said yes to it without thinking if that is was D wanted.
You are right SM is not an easy task but I love all of my children I have three SC all toghether and two BC of my own. I dont know if texting an aplogy will work but will give it a try.
Thanks for not hanging me

mom-e-dearest's picture

That's a good husband, cause having mixed families tend to wear on your relationship sometime. My husband and I always agreed to not let our children come between us and we have held strong to that I not only have the sd BM but as well the two SD bm to deal with two. Although the SD is few and far between a part of their life she comes up for air every once and again and shoots steam then fades back away for a few years.
Thank you for seeing my side I truly am not at BI to the BM nor do I want to be, thats her mom and she is a great mom and I love her for that fact but she would not ever believe that but its true!
I will keep the good vibes flowing and maybe they will someday rub off.

Thanks again

luv007's picture

I'm a stepmother and a bioparent myself. I would have no problem with a stepparent taking my child to get her hair cut so long as it is a style that she chose. It would be nice to be informed,but if the biological mother is a witch to deal with, I don't blame you for not informing her.

My husband and I get our stepboys hair buzzed every single summer and yes, it pisses the boys mother off, but we have our reasons. South GA is not a place to have long hair, unless you've got it long enough for a ponytail or braids. The boys both are terrified of getting their hair washed and the less hair, the easier it is to wash. The kids pull each others hair since I have my 15 month old and the boys are 3 and 4. Their mother gives us no say in the rest of their lives, so why should we give her any say during the two months that we have them?

mom-e-dearest's picture

Yup we are in GA too so I get that. D said she is like an animail she likes her hair long in the winter and short in the summer LOL.
Yes it would not have mattered if I had the D call her and tell her we were going for a cut she still would have been mad because it was not her idea. Who knows?
Same her she does not let her dad or I and input on anything else in her life and that is how he feels why should he ask permission to do something for his daughter mother wouldn't.

THANKS for being a Step Mom Your wonderful!

Zoie's picture

I dont understand..as stepmoms we are suppose to love and treat these kids like our own when they are with us...right...but we have no authority over anything...so what the heck is the problem..it's a bloody haircut...most BM's dont ever discuss with dad to well basically get his permission to go and get his childs haircut, ear pierced, go on holidays...whatever..it could be anything..I've been in my SD's life since she was 6 and she will be 10 next month and her BM is nuts and does whatever she wants and never ever takes my DH into consideration. I take better care of SD then her BM does and while I do agree that maybe SM and BM should discuss these things the SM needs some leway as well...but at the end of the day it's the kids that get caught in the middle of this tug of war...

Man this sucks doesnt' it....so many issues that arise from being a SM....it's a tough job...

aggravated1's picture

Go back and read what you wrote-"most BM's dont ever discuss with dad to well basically get his permission to go and get his childs haircut, ear pierced, go on holidays" "her BM is nuts and does whatever she wants and never ever takes my DH into consideration."

The operative word here is Dad. Her dad can take her to get her hair cut all he wants, it's his kid. Your stepkids are NOT YOUR KIDS. They are your husband's, and it is beyond stupid to do these things that 1)you know will piss the BM off

and 2)put all the heat on you for doing it, because I can assure you, YOU WILL BE BLAMED.

And don't be silly enough to think that your DH won't do some blaming on you also, when the crap hits the fan.

I don't understand why in the hell some SM's do this to themselves. You think it might be getting the BM's goat, but I can promise you, YOU will be the one paying the price.

Zoie's picture

Well aren't you sweet this morning... I did read my commments and dont appreciate you being so unkind.

We are a family and I know I am not her mom and do not want to be her mother..she has a mother...But BM has no problem with me buying clothes for her daughter, or taking her on a trip or paying for dance lessons, healthcare...whatever else comes up...so WTF is the issue with a haircut...

1- DH would not ever put the blame on me..ever
2- My SD is with us alot and when in hell does dad take his daughter to the hairdresser..it's a girl thing and SD wants a females opinion
3- BM is pissed off because of a haircut, my gosh there are so many other issues to get upset about....

aggravated1's picture

I wasn't being unkind, I was being honest. Obviously, however, this has hit a nerve and you felt this great need to defend yourself against an honest, unattacking comment on your post.
I find it humorous that it bothers you so much.

Zoie's picture

Glad I made you laugh. As for being honest....ummm NO..you were stating your opinion and thank you for that...now I can go on with my day... Smile

Totalybogus's picture

I agree, it is a girl thing and that's why most BMs don't consult dad when they take their daughters for haircuts.

I have two daughters and two stepdaughters. I wouldn't dream of taking my stepdaughters for haircuts because as a mother, I think it is a mother/daughter thing, especially when it is a change in the style.

There are just some things that are mom's prerogative with their girls, including when, if ever, they will allow them to dye their hair, get their ears pierced,first anything, buy prom and wedding dresses, planning weddings and showers and being there with their daughters when their grandchildren are born.

I think it is very disrespectful to step on mom's toes in any of these instances.

mom-e-dearest's picture

Nope, I dont see it that way. She is my daughter I have helped raise her and will always be in her life and if someone does not like that I really dont care. Life is to Short to try and keep loved ones at bay and not be involved in each others lives.
That is the thing you just dont know what she will be PO about she was not last time I went with her to cut her hair?
I dont mind being blamed it is not the first time in life and wont be the last. I am a good person and dont feel harm was done.
I am positive my DH will not blame me we have been doing this for 10 years now we have a great relationship together and talk about everything he will not judge me for what I did but will stand behind me. It would be different if they actually made decsions together and hopefully someday they will when it comes to the big stuff as the teen age approaches but that will come in a few more years. Glad that I have no anger issues in life-AMEN

This too shall pass
Thank you for pointing all of these things out

aggravated1's picture

I have a feeling that some SM's get a kick from doing things like this. They KNOW that it could piss the BM off, and that is why they do it. There may be a few that are unaware, but any reasonable,THINKING individual can figure out this isn't a good idea.

You can't change their minds. This is probably a sport to them, and then they wonder why their lives are disrupted and the BM hates them so much and there is so much drama.

Ah well. Amen and all that.

mom-e-dearest's picture

I agree I did not mean to cause the comotion I dont go looking for it, like I said we have gone before with out a big ordeal this time it just hit closer to home. Just not a big deal to me(haircut??) or dad and he would have me go he would not have taken her unless she requested and she would not have cause its a girl thing they have daddy daughter stuff learning some folks really like hair Smile

Thanks

mom-e-dearest's picture

Exactly how I feel. I just dont understand the haircut thing. And I have been in SD life since she was 1 and she is now 11. We have always done things toghether as mom and daughter do. I love her like she is my daughter and we have a great relationship. I dont want to be here mom but I am the next best thing to a mother like figure that she has.
I just wish as well she would not put the SD in the middle. I know she will say something to her to make her feel bad about getting her hair cut. She could call me or text me and vent not to the SD. That is was upsets me the most.
She is all about mom and step dad this and that which we always tell her good things and how wonderful it is she has great times and a good family at her moms. Yet we do not receive the same.

You are right sucks and aint get better go a long road ahead.

THANKS a BUNCH

Zoie's picture

Hang in there...you a a very kind SM and you love this child and from what you've written she loves you...so maybe BM was having an off day...

Cheers.... Z Smile

Totalybogus's picture

Then if you can't see the reason mom gets upset about it, think of what fallout will come of it for your stepdaughter and don't YOU put her in that position. For every action there is usually a reaction. Don't cause the reaction.

mom-e-dearest's picture

My dh tries not to argue with BM and would if she asked go with the flow of what she would want. She does not call or even speak to him much unless she wants to change a date or if something was said or she is really bad at school then DH get to be bad guy which he does not mind he says thats his job wether they were still toghether on not he would be the Father and she would respect her mother and him. He would have approved the Haircut before hand and would have told me to go with her unless she wanted him to go. I am used to it been doing things with and for her for 10 years and cant always please BM. SD was happy to have short hair again bcause she hates brushing as well she will change that in few years like your now that the teen age has set in.
As far as curling her hair show her how to do this at your place so she can at least learn and then when the BM gets her a curling iron she can rock a purdy style Smile
Oh I got that too when we tried to teach her to ride a bike "She might fall down and get hurt" She is 11 and still can not ride with out trainging wheels.. :?

Thanks

mom-e-dearest's picture

Hilarious but truthful about the gum....LOL
I think it is great that you have a good relationship all toghether. That will never be possible with BM she is not the type can be nice to her and she still keeps the distance, that is fine I am not out to gain a BFF just be the best SM I can for our children. Alittle Silly she reated that way about haircut but after all the comments it is sure a reality to me now.

Thanks and God bless your wonderful family you should be an inspiration to divorced or seperated families.

Jsmom's picture

Don't do haircuts. That is a mom thing. DH takes SS but only after it is apparent that BM isn't going to do it. If DH takes SD it is fine, but a SM should not do it...

Totalybogus's picture

it will be a problem if mom decides to attempt to modify the parenting agreement to add that stepmom not interfere. Usually when someone modifies, they will usually kick in the old increase of CS and dad gets stuck footing the bill for all of the legal fees.

Its just not worth it.

Most judges do not like steps interferring with co-parenting.

aggravated1's picture

This can happen. One of my relatives has a court order that the SM cannot cut the child's hair or do any modifications to her body. There is also a clause that she cannot administer any corporal punishment. It became enough of an issue that her ex almost lost his visitation and they had to attend counseling visits together.

aggravated1's picture

You can fight it,but is worth fighting? Why get yourself in that situation in the first place? Do you think a court is going to set a precedent by allowing stepparents any rights over the physical body of a child with two living bio-parents?

I not only know what happened, I saw the court papers myself. Show me ANY court judgement that says a Step-parent has the same rights and responsibilities as a birth parent. it doesn't exist. Just because you THINK you should hold that place, does not mean you do. To the court system, your wants and your rights don't mean jack.
To avoid the problem? Don't get the stupid haircut without talking to the BM, OR HAVE YOUR HUSBAND TAKE THEM.

Its not rocket science.

aggravated1's picture

I am not talking about what I think. I am talking about the legal system, and to the legal system, you are basically nothing. A non-entity. The only time a step-parent is acknowledged in court is when their finances are needed, that is all.

aggravated1's picture

The daughter had hair all the way down to her waist, and the SM cut it to her shoulders. My relative would have been mad enough if her ex did it, but she went off the chain when she found out the SM did it. It was a major overstepping of boundaries, and started a war. The SM was pissed, the BM was pissed, and it eventually ended up in court where the BM won. he basically was given supervised visitation as long as he attended counselling with her and the child.

It's extreme, I know-but it shows what can happen. Sometimes it takes something this small to blow everything up-why put yourself through that? Because in this situation, it is the SM that is going to be hated, not the dad. let the dad take the kid, and then everyone can hate him!!

mom-e-dearest's picture

Does sound steep and I see your point and being put in that situation yet there must have been other areas that were being judged besides this one incident in the court room, for them to end up giving the father supervised visits only because the SM got childs haircut either that or someone was smoking some wacky tobaccy that day...Gee Whiz. In GA the courts look at both the parents and extended family and want the child to have a healthy relationship with all that are involved not to allienate a child because a dispute over a minor infraction although as you said this is possible and thank you for posting all these details not just from my statement but for all of us SM in the world.

Crazy but good info

Jsmom's picture

Sorry I had to step in here and disagree with you. I don't know where you are in GA, but that is not true here in Fayette County. As steps we were not allowed in the mediation room. We were told by the lawyers that I was not to come to the courthouse because the judges don't want to hear from the Stepparents.

We have no rights and as for our financials, yes they get to see them when it is CS modification. For us, it was our joint taxes....

GA seems to be a lot harsher here on Dad's. We were told we couldn't win and should just give up. We fought on the CS modification and won on that because of the calculator. Nothing else. We gave up on pushing SD to see my husband...

I can't imagine the fit BM would cause if I did something like this and cut off SD's hair. We would most certainly be admonished by the judge if it got that far. They do not like Steps....I was so attacked by BM in the last mediation and the mediator allowed it all.

A friend of our is suing the judge in his case, because it allowed the BM to move out of the state. He has spent over 100K on lawyers trying to get his children back.

GA is just as much against Dads and Stepmoms as any other state....

mom-e-dearest's picture

Dont see that happening if so I am sure she would foot the bill DH at least put that one in the papers that if either party to opposite party to court they would have to prove the parent is in some comtempt if not proven then the party taking to court would pay for both lawyers and court fees. As they say she should have put that in there and I dont see much for courts approving petty things now adays they are trying to keep the child involved with all parties!
But you are right that definatley happens in alot of cases and it would not be worth if over a haircut.

Thanks

mom-e-dearest's picture

Whole Heartly agree Children are the world and the lord loves them !
I was just happy to see the look on her face as she shined her new style she was soo proud!

Thank you for your comment and your are right it is not about the parents. Letting trivial things get your blood turn black is not a good example as well.

sweetthing's picture

Kind of funny after the whole having haircuts in the divorce decree but last year our BM took my skids, her BF & two of his kids to one of DH's cousin's kids first communion. ( can't make this shit up, btw we weren't invited & my skids hadn't seen these people in years so we are not sure why BM was invited) anyway her furure SD had thick blonde hair down to her butt & BM took her to get it cut off to s short bob & donated her hair to locks of love on this trip. My step sons told me that BM & her future Sd's mom don't speak & the ex wife doesn't acknowledge them or BM when they run into her, maybe this has something to do with it. Smile

Rags's picture

I would play the "tough shit and STFU" card on BM if she so much as even thinks about being a bitch about your day at the salon with YOUR SD.

As for a court battle over this type of thing .... BRING IT ON!!!!!!!!!!

I would love kicking the petty ignorant ass of a BM in court if she so much as thought she had a brain cell to stand on over a day at the salon once I had her sniveling in front of a judge.

If nothing else, just play the "her dad wanted her to have a special doo to go with her Easter dress" card. End of story.

Where do these morons in the blended family opposition get off thinking they get an opinion on what goes on when the kid(s) are with the other parent/family much less get to inject decisions in to the other household? :?

As for getting no haircuts and no corporal punishment put in to a CO.... corporal punishment is legal in all 50 states and can not be made illegal by a CO. Just as someone can not authorize the law to be broken (eg. tolerating sexual harassment as a condition of employment), a person can not dictate that what is legal/the law of the land is no longer legal particularly when this attempted dictate is for a legal activity that occurs in someone else’s home.

I am not an attorney and I would love shredding any idiot attorney that even tried to push that forward in a Custody/Visitation/Support hearing that I was in any way associated with.

When a Skid is in my home under my parental authority there is no part of their body that is off limits for me to care for nor a hair on their heads, a nail on their fingers or toes or a nook and cranny on their body that I can not trim, cut or clean as is appropriate and legal.

This whole issue is one of StepParent cowardice in the face of overbearing petty crap from the BioParent opposition IMHO. The way to solve it once and for all is a big-ol KISS MY ASS!!!!! to the dip shit who so much as says a word about a hair cut.

We are not talking tattoo's or body mod implants, piercings, etc .... We are talking a nice trip the salon for a cut and style for Easter.

Of course if there is abuse, neglect, etc.... then by all means a parent/Sparent should inject their will in to the other household. Other wise ..... F-OFF!

When we decided to send our son (my SS) to military school we did not even consult the SpermIdiot or the SpermClan. When they found out they freaked. Our response ..... TOUGH SHIT. When they called to bitch they threatened to stop paying support, we said fine lets go to court and get your CS raised. No judge is going to stop a parent from providing a top 20 boarding school education to a child and since my wife is the CP she can spend the CS on anything she wants. And guess what .... THEY SHAVED HIS HEAD TWICE A MONTH!!!!!!! Theh made him to pushups, run, and other forms of physical punishment …… All without calling the SpermClan for permission. Hmmmmm? :? Kind of funny how the tough shit and STFU philosophy works on idiots in the blended family opposition.

Interestingly when we took him out of military school at Christmas of his Sr. year .... they bitched about that too. Again .... TOUGH SHIT and STFU!

They did because they knew if they did not that I/we would make their lives even more of a living hell than they have already made for themselves.

Pardon my language. This kind of crap just pisses me off.

You could also respond in a less insulting manner though with the same message. Something along the lines of “Well BM, I am sorry you feel the way you do about OUR daughter’s beautiful bob hair cut. However, your opinion has no bearing on what she and we choose to do in our home or in OUR family so please keep your ridiculous and less than stylish opinion to yourself … buhbye!” Wink Wink Wink Biggrin

I am more than willing to work with the blended family opposition when they are willing to cooperate in a way that is in the best interest of the child.

If they are not }:) }:) }:) I will own their asses and make them rue the day they even thought about getting shitty with me, MY kid or my family. And I will have great a time when I bare their ignorant asses.

All IMHO of course.

aggravated1's picture

Rags, are you trying to say that a court cannot mandate no corporal punishment for a child by a stepparent? Because if so, you are wrong.

Also, no offense, but you come from a perspective of a custodial stepdad with a SK who had minimal visitation with his bio parent. Not quite the same thing.

Edited to add: let a stepparent spank my kid. I dare them.

Totalybogus's picture

No rags, you probably couldn't be arrested for it as long as it was't abusive, but your wife could surely lose custody of her kid for not complying with the CO. The family court DOES have that authority.

My kids are grown now, but if their stepmother ever put her hands on them, they'd be scraping her off the street. Booking time in jail and a $250.00 fine would be well worth it.

Rags's picture

I am saying that any judge who signs a CO saying corporal punishment can not be used in a specific home or by anyone acting in loco parentis would get their ass handed to them on appeal. There are plenty of the morons in black robes who would try to enforce that clause and few parents who would take the judge up the food chain to be shredded by their judicial superiors. But, nullifying that element of a CO would not be difficult if not directly with the judge then on appeal.

Spanking is legal.... period. It is legal everywhere in the US and can be used at the discretion of the one doing the punishing as long as they are acting in loco parentis for that child. School officials, StepParents, Aunts, Uncles, guardians, etc, etc, etc.....

What is not legal is abuse. In some states the law draws a very fine line between the two but in every state corporal punishment is legal.

You may not like the thought of a Sparent spanking your child but you would likely not have much success if that (S)parent defended themselves vigorously when you try to take the issue to court.

My SS visited his SpermClan for 54-65 days a year from 1yo to 18 which is more visitation than an EOWE schedule would give. His SpermClan tried many times over the years to comment on spankings, discipline and a plethora of other issues that were none of their business. My response was always, if you think you are right .... see you in court.

Or put less sensitively ... STFU. They tried a couple of times in court and got spanked.

The ONLY thing that matters is the law. In our case the CO was sound and did not have any ridiculous crap in it like "no haircuts" and "no corporal punishment". Even the CO does not matter if it does not comply with the laws of the state. The elements of the CO that are not compliant with the laws of the state are not enforceable if anyone is willing to put their foot down about those elements of the CO.

I suppose that a particularly petty parent could get a “no haircuts” clause put in the CO but I would bet even money or better that they would get their asses handed to them by the judge if they went to court over a hair cut.

All in my layman's opinion of course.

aggravated1's picture

I diasgree. I have seen the actual court order where this has happened. But to each his own.

I still dare any Stepparent to use corporal punishment on my child. Their birth father could spank all he needed to, but a SM? No f'ing way.

I never let my now-husband spank my kids, that was a sure fire way to make sure my kids resent him. I am a stepkid, so trust me, I know.

Rags's picture

Was the CO appealed? I doubt it was or it would have been changed.

What amazes me is that one or other of the attorneys nor the judge had it purged prior to the judges signature.

aggravated1's picture

He actually gave up his visitation, because he could not guarantee that the SM would not spank the 5 year old.

Now, how stupid is that? And why could the SM not control herself? The kid was only over there every other weekend, and her dad was there the whole time. Why could HE not do the spanking?

Rags's picture

That is a dad with no character. I would not give up visitation with my child in that situation or any or any other situation for that matter. I would have spanked the judge Wink on appeal while giving every guarantee that the kid would only get his ass blistered by me (and my wife though I would not mention that part to the moron in the black robe).

How can anyone guarantee the behavior of someone else? Just another example of the bottom
10%ers of the legal profession that end up practicing and on the bench in family law.

Even though I believe that a Sparent has every parental right in their home that a BioParent has I would work with my wife (in the situation you mention) to make sure that access to my child was not jeopardized.

Best regards,

Rags's picture

No marks are necessary when spanking. Just a nice cracking sound, and a warm pink glow to the butt cheeks.

I am not an advocate of wholesale child beatings. But a few firm swats to the ass can work wonders on an illbehaved child.

IMHO of course.

sugarcookie's picture

Rags I love your posts. The part about being able to clean trim or whatever any body part under your roof is great. My skids have a great bm, but there are things she misses, oddly enough ss9 needing a haircut is ine of them. Cutting nails is another. Ss took his shoes off the other day and ew is all I can say. Did I cut them? Yes. Did bm notice? Probably not since she didn't notice how gross they were. If she did she wouldn't care. If she did care, I wouldn't care still. Some things have to be done. If it's done with good intentions, peoe should just chill out. Haircuts included.

Rags's picture

Cookie,

My SS used to leave for visitations with the SpermClan 85% toilet trained, groomed, clean, healthy, talking, well behaved and happy.

He would come home with BO that a cess pool cleaner would not have, black goo behind his ears, in his arm pits and crotch, puss filled welts on his butt cheeks and an anus so raw from diaper rash it would bleed when we cleaned him up. Half inch long finger nails and toe nails and scratched on his face from sleeping wiht his cracked and broken claws. In stead of asking for what he wanted he would point, grunt and cry. We have pictures of the bleeding anus, puss filled welts, black goo and finger nails. We also have several Doc reports on his post visitation condition.

When we would call SpermGrandMa and the SpermIdiot to ask about why he was stinky, dirty, puss filled bleeding raw their answer ..... we don't have time to finish toilet training him so we put him in a diaper. :jawdrop: :sick:

I have on more than one occassion threatened to hop a plane to SpermLand with the kid so they can deal with his screaming as he heals and to beat them repeatedly for every scream and whimper that their negligence caused my son. He is not my BioKid but he is mine none the less.

Of course my attorney counseled against it and my wife calmed me down enough to prevent me from doing something stupid.

People who are toxic to kids I have no use for. And your opinion on haircuts and people needing to chill out .... I am in 100% agreement with.

Best regards,

mom-e-dearest's picture

Woot Woot-- Hooray for someone with the curtousy of the opposition.

I would not call her out on this unless something was said to me. I do not go looking for trouble nor would I have the need to use any curse words in that I have a way of words that would bring her back down to earth. I do like the wipdedoda attitude in that we had quality time and we do alot of things she is upset by yet she does not seem to go out and do these things with her daughter herself and that is really not my problem. I dont want her to be vengful just wish she could be more open...Truly life is to short for the BS! I enjoy spending time with my family all of them! I agree as well that each family has different memories so start making them.

You have topped the chart Dirol
Thanks for making my day

Totalybogus's picture

I surely hope that the people on this site are taking your comments "for what it's worth" because it certainly is a "layman's opinion."

Rags's picture

It is only a layman's opinion. But, it is also confirmed by my own experiences and $10's of thousands in legal fees I have paid to inject some intelligence in to idiot family law judges and the dip shit bottom 10%er attorneys that the SpermClan would bring to the table.

It amazes me the number of attorneys that are obviously highly intelligent but who can not translate their academic capability in to real world effectiveness. I guess that is the engineer in me coming out. Engineers make theory work in the real world. That is what I have been doing for my 25 year management/engineering career.

I have found the key to success and to enforcing your will on the blended family opposition is the right attorney who is willing to go toe to toe with these idiots on the bench and push them to the edge of a contempt ruling in order to motivate a logical decision. Threatening the judge with contesting the next election is one thing our guy has done a few times. That tends to get the morons on the bench who can not do something productive for society to make decisions of decidedly better quality. For someone who has been on the bench for several terms unopposed this seems to get their attention.

Neither attorneys nor judges are anything special in my opinion. With a few exceptions that I have experienced first hand.

The law profession likes to think of itself as "Reason free of passion" or something like that. I have seen little reason in my experiences in courts. I have been to criminal court, divorce court, family court and civil court for corporate litigation. Rather than "reason free of passion" it is more like "respiration free of logic". Many of these people can do little more than suck the air out of a room. Particularly in areas of law that are primarily case law rather than legislated law if that is the right term for laws enacted by duly elected legislative folks.

My favorite experience in court was for a DUI when I was in my early 20's while riding my motorcycle. I left a bar after 3hrs and three drinks and it had been an hour since my last beer. A Police Officer followed me out of the parking lot. After about 10 blocks he pulled me over. He smelled alcohol on my breath and gave a a field sobriety test which his video showed I passed. He arrested me anyway.

I did not have the money for an attorney at the time so I defended myself. I shredded the DA in court. I was not drunk.

The DA alleged that that every block or so I would swerve violently, that I smelled of alcohol and that I was obviously impaired. All duly documented in the police report.

I submitted the National Weather Service reports for the night in question showing 30-40 MPH winds. I also submitted a map showing the route I traveled from the bar to where he stopped me. I then questioned the Officer on the stand and stepped him through the process and then asked him that with the direction of the winds and the regular block or so swerves was it possible that I was blown across the lane at the crossroads since the wind was coming from that direction. I referenced his dash video which showed my swerves nicely lined up with the cross streets. I was was down town where the wind can do some crazy things when it is whipping between high-rise buildings. He was great. He answered that it was very possible and even likely that the wind caused the swerves.

The DA tried to redirect or what ever the legal term is and just polished his own DA ass that I had already bared. The jury deliberated for 15mins and I petitioned to have any record of the event expunged.

I have had similar experiences in divorce court, family court and in corporate cases. It appears from my experiences that lawyers know very little in most cases other than the law. They are not usually logical thinkers or problem solvers. For some reason they seem to look only at the information that supports their charges and not at the total picture. If you put their perspective in the context of the big picture I have found that picking them apart is not particularly difficult.

All it takes to deal with most of them that I have been in opposition with is to be knowledgeable of all of the data and facts associated with the case, knowledgeable of the environment and extenuating influences that were in play at the time of the occurrences that ended up in court and you can shut down most attorneys in a hurry.

I have considered going for a JD. Not because I really want to be an attorney but because I have little respect for most of the people I have seen or interfaced with who are attorneys and in my experience Family Law attorneys and judges with limited exception are the bottom feeders. My intent would be to get a JD in the last decade before I retire then do pro bono work or limited paying cases focusing on defending NCPs who are dealing with unreasonable Xs, CPs who are confronted by toothless dipshit NCPs and to pretty much make myself a nuisance to family law judges.

My wife and I agreed after we both finished our MBAs that the next one we would do together. I would prefer to do a Ph.D in Management but she insists on a JD. I am good with that other than she will kick my ass in Law School GPA. She already wins nearly every argument we have and she is snarky enough to oppose me in every case I might take as a lawyer just to be a PITA. :O

All in my experience and layman's opinion of course.

Totalybogus's picture

Ahhh, the old college education to try to devalue others' opinions.... I think alot of us on this site are just as educated Rags.. maybe moreso.

You only won the DUI charge because obviously the cop didn't perform a breathalyzer for absolute proof of your intoxication. In criminal law the bar is set at "beyond a reasonable doubt." You provided reasonble doubt.

In civil law, most everything is based on statute, ordinance or case law. It is the preponderance of evidence or 51%.

Domestic law is actually the hardest law to practice. I would never do it. I agree that there is room for improvement in all areas of law, especially domestic law. However, unless someone has an endless fount of cash somewhere or will bankrupt themselves, dragging the rest of their family through years of unrest and financial ruin just to make a point, it really wouldn't be considered the "intellectual" thing to do.