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Contact with the ex? Your thoughts.

One Step Back's picture

I just wondered what everyone else deemed as acceptable contact with BM, the ex.

I personally think that unless it's an emergency, anything that needs to be discussed should be done so face to face when he picks the child up every weekend. He seems to think that texts flowing between them 2-3 nights/days a week is perfectly acceptable, plus seeing the woman twice a week.

I think he's keeping her hanging on and giving her hope of a reconciliation due to his constant contact, plus she says nasty things about me in the texts and he never has my back and tells her to stop it. (We have a just turned a year old baby as well).

What are your thoughts on the matter? What are your partners like with contact?

twoviewpoints's picture

I personally think parents need to communicate. Especially when both parents are hands-on and desire to be involved. I also , however, believe that communication should be strictly about child and on a business level. Any email/text should stick to child (items inserted about what BM thinks of you are unacceptable and any social chatting is inappropriate).

I don't believe the opposite parent needs a day by day blow by blow of every little detail right down to what Jr ate for breakfast or Jr was an a** tonight. Daily non-event routine mundane incidents and newsflashes don't need to be shared (unless it is of a medical nature such as important to dietary necessity or 'how are the new meds working' and what trigger points might affected ill behavior in event of being informative to a mental/physical condition under diagnosis or treatment).

There are times when a chat at exchange wouldn't be sufficient depending on visitation/parenting schedule: such as , a school event that week that waiting until exchange would become a mute point. A arrangement of dr appointment and who can/will take Jr. A homework or grade situation alert from the school that needs addressed. Blah blah blah. The other thing is, the more the parents have to discuss at exchange, the longer exchanges take and the more physical contact and lingering together in front of child the parents are doing. I believe exchanges should be neutral and performed smoothly and quickly. The child needs to view parents as his parents but each quite capable of being the parent on an individual basis. Too much discussion with child present sets up child's chance to see parents disagreeing over a topic/issue or conflict and hostility between the co-parents. The child shouldn't be privy to the adult crap nor do intact families usually discuss issues and problems in front of their children...separated co-parents should also keep the adult parenting stuff from being put out in front of a COD.

IMO if your DH keeps the emails/texts to the business like nature and refuses to interact through the email/text if BM turns off topic and/or brings up things like her opinion of you, then some would be preferred to overlong exchange and showing a child his parents very separated in their parenting beliefs. DH needs to set communication boundaries and guidelines and enforce them. It is also perfectly acceptable to put a time guidance on the email/texting such as he won't address these communication during such and such an hour (it's his parenting/family time and he shouldn't be bothered , and he may take x amount of time before a response should be expected (no ex should be on standby to immediately respond especially if the subject is of a generic nature which may not need a response at all such as Jr has make-up ballgame Tuesday at 6pm...that type of email/text is being sent only for informative purposes and require no response) If BM is just being a nag and or stirring the pot on a non-needed subject, Dh should ignore the email/text. Dh nor you can control how or what BM personally thinks of you, but he can make it clear he will not discuss his wife or will he read endless emails/texts that are non-subject topic or plan being b*itchy. Those type of attempting to communicate shall be promptly deleted and no answer forthcoming (don't really delete any email/text that could be used to prove a court order violation or custody issue).

Everyone does their necessary communication differently, different ways works for some household and not others. There are also some families that solely use a program like Our Family Wizard. Discuss with your DH which and how communication affects you and/or your family home life, why this or that makes you uncomfortable or you feel is unnecessary.

One Step Back's picture

Thank you for your input.

This is the problem a) she gets drunk and sends him shitty texts, abusive to him and me.He refused to ignore them until I got really pissy about it and now ignores some b) he actually texts her, but does it from work where I won't know? C) most of the texts are absolutely not necessary at all. Things like her texting him to remind him to pay her (he's always paid her on the right day every week), texting him on our daughters first birthday about his sons Scouts and how it's going to be good for him - but not having let him come over for daughters birthday, leaving school holiday arrangements until the last minute - when she could have easily asked him to have extra days when she'd seen him previously. It's all just poor excuses to constantly invade my life.

He's lied to me about frequency of texts too.

I've told him I've had enough of her games and constant texting so he's told me he's leaving. Fair enough!

One Step Back's picture

Yep apparently he's leaving me because he won't respect my wishes. I've been asking him to stop this for 2 years now and now I've blown I'm everything evil in the world.

Do you know what? I've lost so much respect for him that I don't think I could give him the time of day - never mind texting him.
He's let his family ignore his daughter but lavish time and money on his brat, he's let the brat treat a pregnant lady like absolute crap (spitting in my face was one example), then his son is mean to his baby but that's all ok. Add that to his ex constantly texting him and I'm glad he's going! His ex neglects his son big time but he's so scared of her that he won't do anything about it - an 8 year old still coming round in pants for a 2-3 year old - trousers that are way too small and tops the same. Plus, the child STILL soils himself.

I think mine and DD's life will be far richer without them in it.

One Step Back's picture

I agree he's no man. When his ex isn't pulling his strings, his mother is.
I've dumped all his stuff in the spare room for now and he can leave ASAP.

Thank you all!

Orange County Ca's picture

Ahhh hell you brought a kid into this knowing how he's acting?

He's been stringing his ex as a back-up to you and who knows maybe a little on the side. I've heard that "Ex sex is best". Anyway since the trust has been lost you've got little choice but to encourage him to go.

Call your cell phone provider to block his phone number, block email and Facebook type social sites and give him your attorneys phone number.

One Step Back's picture

No. He hid it really well from me until after I was pregnant - which wasn't planned - but happened and she's gorgeous.

He has been the route of every single problem I've had for years. He made my pregnancy hell, the birth was awful as he fell asleep through most of it and her infancy has been a nightmare.

I can't kick him out but he's sat in front of me, telling me he's arranging his next date! Good luck to her is all I can say. When I wash my hands of him - apart from 2 hours per week of him seeing his daughter supervised, it will be for good...

He says there's nothing going on with the ex, so maybe he's just truly a complete idiot and doesn't realise he's stringing her along?

Purple hope's picture

If you have the means, you will be far better off on your own than with a man who doesn't demand that others treat you with respect. Better sooner than later. If he's hiding stuff, he may have stuff to hide. I would be outta there.

Sorry one step that your having to go through all this

LittlePanda's picture

In my case, BM and DH do not speak ever. All communication is done through BM's mother who is the actual care giver of SD when SD goes over there. I don't mind that one bit.

I don't think they need to be talking unless it is about drop off/pick up or something that will cut into the others time. Oh, and anything medical.

As for her talking crap about you and your husband saying nothing to her about it? Unacceptable.

One Step Back's picture

I agree completely and as explained below, the texting situation is so much worse than I thought.

Maxwell09's picture

If BM is confrontational or likes to sidetrack onto things that aren't child related (ours does both ALL THE TIME) I would tell DH/SO to stick with texting. BMs can lie and say that y'all "talked" or whatever whenever she wants but if you limit communication to texting or email then you'll always have proof of what was or was not said. Sad it has to be this way but these days you have to cover your butt to keep the crazy away.

One Step Back's picture

I agree but I had a huge row with him just a few hours ago and he threw his phone at me and made me look at the texts - some of them are banter between them, she puts kisses on the end of some of the texts and one of them was a Happy New Years message from when he was in bed with me and my daughter, early morning on New Years Day!

These are absolutely not necessary and are very damaging to his present relationship. He absolutely insists that he's not keeping her hanging on but he's then doing it without realising - plus they were texting on average every other day - much more than I originally thought - yet he throws the phone to me to prove there's nothing?!

Rather than lose his daughter and I he's said that he's going to seek counselling for his general awful behaviour, depression and lack of loyalty towards me. I'm not sure if I want this any more though.

saffron1's picture

I'm so sorry for you that you are going through this. It took me leaving my SO for him to realise 'how important I am to him' (his words!) Your situation sounds very much how mine was (however I did not have children which must make it 100 times more difficult for you)- SO and BM would have fairly regular (unnecessary) contact and, whilst the majority of it began with BM, SO would reply. I am a firm believer that when a relationship ends, it ends. So, whilst your SO and BM must have some contact, this should be limited to 'some.' If there is a medical emergency (not a cold) then of course the other parent must be made aware. Similarly, if there is a last minute change of plans in pick-up times then yeah a text should be sent. However, I think that when you divorce/split up whatever, co-parenting has gone out the window. If your SO and BM couldn't co-parent before you then they shouldn't be attempting to co-parent now you are around, especially as he has loyalties towards you and your children. If I was you I would give it a little bit of time to see if he realises what he has lost. Don't contact him for a while, find yourself a job and become independent. THEN when he realises that he is close to losing you entirely, having 2 failed relationships where children are involved and having to pay CS to 2 exes, just then he might realise. I know that my SO did (actually it took another male to show me a glimpse of interest lol) but he came back, apologetic and much more aware of the boundaries I have been trying to enforce for a long time. I must admit though, I do feel like I am always on edge, he is on his last chance and given the opportunity I will check his phone etc. So anyway, sorry to go on! But if I was you, I'd focus on you and your children, give him a couple of weeks and walk if things don't change... Best of luck Smile

One Step Back's picture

I'm not sure why SO is doing this. He knows that all he's doing is forcing away another relationship and although he's still living here at present, if things don't change rapidly then he won't be and I am sooo very different from BM of SS. Without me around that child will be off the rails in a few years.

BM does not just text him about insignificant health problems, she actually calls him in flat panics over things like heat rashes. That was done because DD was diagnosed with quite bad eczema at a couple of months old, so she had to try go one step better. There's always some drama with her and it's starting to get right on my last nerve. He needs to grow some balls and cut her off apart from emergencies and urgent matters. He needs to put his phone down before I shove it where the sun doesn't shine...

Thanks for your input Smile

saffron1's picture

Oh god, you know I can completely relate to that. My SDs BM would (and often still does) the same given the opportunity. The other week she text saying, 'RING ME NOW SD IS REALLY ILL' (I've stopped phone calls unless there really is a genuine problem.) SO rang her and the little one had been sick at nursery... she is 4, it isn't a catastrophe, children pass on germs... Its a bit like the boy who cried wolf, if everything is an emergency then nothing is... I completely feel for you and your SO needs to either stop allowing this lunatic to control his life or you need to walk.
Best of luck x

One Step Back's picture

She lies to him constantly too. With the heat rash it was I'm picking him up from school and taking him straight to the GP. What she actually did was take him to the chemist for some E45! He never did see a professional about it. Still alive too, with no rash may I add.
She even pulled one with his step daughter (who hates him). Telling him that she had severe back problems etc etc. she used it as a stick to beat him with: ie, you don't care about her blah blah blah. What happened? Nothing. The girl is fine.

The child is being a little shit today. Getting on my last nerve. Roll on 6pm. Grrr!

One Step Back's picture

Why is it that women (let's face it, it's not that they necessarily want these men) refuse to let go? It's like they refuse to let them move on.

SO went to the GP today to arrange counselling. Let's hope it works and someone teaches him about loyalty!