Opinions on kids allowed in your bed, please!
My BF allows his 6yo daughter to get into bed with us in the mornings. When she wakes up, she will come into our bedroom and climb into bed next to him and snuggle up. We are in our nightclothes, so that's not an issue, but it is not comfortable to me. I guess I feel that is "our" private space. I'm on one side snuggled up to him and she's on the other - it just feels weird to me. Am I being possessive, jealous, whatever, I don't know. If a child wakes up in the middle of the night not feeling well or scared from a bad dream or something, and needs comforting, I could understand.
Also, do you feel age plays a factor as I do? I think once a kid reaches school age and is becoming more aware of their and other's bodies, that's when these types of things need to stop. I do not have kids of my own, so maybe I'm way off base here. I can trust you guys to set me straight if need be...
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As soon as my husband and I got married I vetoed his 5 year old crawling into bed. That is our space, bed, and private time. I don't care if the kid wakes up at 5am and we are in bed until 8am he is not allowed in our room at all.
If I were you I would tell husband it is either her or I and see what happens. If he doesn't like it I would just get up and go to a different room or couch and see how he likes that.
On another note you can always throw this one out there and I am not being unreasonable. A GIRL crawling into bed with Dad can one day turn into a very touchy situation. You do not want SD going back and telling Mom she is in bed with Dad and he allows it. Mom can have a field day with that idea even how innocent as it may sound. It is a can or worms your husband may want to avoid. Snuggling up on the couch is one thing....a bed can be protrayed as sick.
If a child is scared etc....I would allow child in room but with a blanket and pillow on floor.
I guess that just depends on
I guess that just depends on your parenting technique. Nothing wrong with it, and nothing wrong with being against it.
Take the "step" out of it before you decide.
I've never had a problem with the kids climbing in bed with us to "snuggle" first thing in the morning. The younger they are, the more likely they are to want to do it, and most kids grow out of this sooner or later. Six might be young for some, old for others. We have five kids: my son (but my husband adopted him), our daughter, his son and daughter, and his sort-of daughter (he claims her, but is not the bio dad... she was conceived during an adulterous affair his ex-wife had during the marriage). Every single one of these kids - and sometimes all of them at once, and the dog! - have climbed into bed with us in the morning.
The way I look at it, it's maybe five or ten minutes out of my day, it's nice that we're all together and enjoying being together and it's sort of a bonding experience. You know, "family" time. So I don't mind it at all. It's probably a little odd when it's not your own biological child, but I think if you take the "step" out of it, what you have is a little kid wanting to snuggle with her parents in the morning and I don't see anything wrong with that. I think if it's just for a few minutes of quiet time, then it's probably not a big deal. If it makes you uncomfortable to participate, then certainly don't feel like you have to, but I'm not sure giving your boyfriend an ultimatum is the way to go. Maybe you could compromise and have a "five-minute rule" or something, where after five minutes, he gets her up and out of the bedroom to have breakfast or whatever.
This is one of those divisive issues where people either feel strongly for or against letting kids get in bed with you. I really think that the only thing that matters is that, whatever you decide, you handle it in a way that no one feels rejected. But that sort of goes without saying.
~ Anne ~
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good idea Anne
For me I was a mom who brought the kids to bed...great with bio1, a pain with bio2. my youngest ss has always felt it was ok to jump on in when he wakes up. I agree with others "to each his own" for me personally with kids who wake up at 6:30am every day, when they do jump in for a snuggle it sometimes means some more sleep!
I think Anne's suggestion of the 5 minute rule might be just what you need, and give you some "me time"or exta zz's in the morning, who knows it may turn out that bf and sd will serve you some breaky in bed one day! lol
I am a bio and SP
Being a bio and step I can certainly say that if the rolls were reversed you would not be feeling this way. And its not wrong. You feel that it should be your very own space with him. But think about how that little girl will feel especially if she has done this for a long time. It will just be her feeling like everything she is used to has to change. ok now think back and think about how you would have felt if that was your mom or dad and he situation was the same?
I guess I am just saying try to put all the shoes on.
I can understand you probably just want something that only you and him share together.
The other thing is be glad that she is willing to climb into bed with you there. It shows she is comfortable with you and her dad.
I am sorry if I offended anyone I am just speaking as a bio and putting myself in the shoes of the child.
Happy
That may be part of it, Happy
He and I have very little private time together, what with our work schedules and then having the SD every weekend. I only get one morning a week to snuggle up to him in bed and have some quiet, private, intimate time with him. I realize it may sound selfish, but there it is...
Dee
I can so totally understand how and why you are feeling this way now.. Its ok to feel the way you do. It does not make you horrible or anything. Cuz I think deep down inside of all of us whether we care to admit it or not there is a little jealousy with the kids. For parents who are the bios and are married still feel this way. I doubt it because being a Step Parent is totally different. ITs a different ball game all togehter. at least you realize now where your feelings are coming from. you are jealous because its your time with him and you feel that she gets him whenever like she wants kinda and you get this time or did. So its ok. Maybe talk to him about making a "Special time and place for you two" and maybe it will not be in the morning but rather in the evening of Saturday. And remember this she will so totally get older and will not want anything to do with him at all.. Trust me ... My time is soon coming.. LOL..
So I can see how you feel. There are times I have gotten jealous of my SD for times her dad has said we (her and him) are doing this and I don't get asked.. SO I think its normal.
Putting myself in that little girls shoes though, it would be tough. Putting myself in your BF shoes and trying to break that is hard too. Because I am a parent. And then putting myself in your shoes.. I so understand all three spots here.
Just maybe compromise on a set time she can come in so you have your time and maybe then she can join in the cuddling too. .
Good luck.. What a sucky spot to be in..
Happy
I let mine (SD & DD) in the bed w/ us
I grew up always sneaking in bed w/ my parents. I would get up in the morning and drag my sis w/ me to hop in bed w/ mom & dad.
My SD is 11 (met her when she was and I felt uncomfortable w/ it at first. I think it was b/c she is not mine. I had to put myself in her shoes. It was something I had did growing up.
My DD is 1 and she sleeps in the bed w/ us. I know, bad move. I can't get her out now!!! How could I say it would be OK for DD, but not SD. My DH would not have that!!!
For some age makes a difference. To me again I was a bad one. Even when I would spend the weekends or summers home from college, I was hopping in bed w/ mom(dad is an EARLY riser and had already started his day). Mom & I are lazy and we just laze in bed and talk.
Thanks Happy
for being understanding. You know, sometimes it's hard to admit to some of these feelings, because it makes me feel like such an ogre. But, I can't deny the feelings and thank God for this site and the ability to vent.
Have a great day!
Cuddles YES- Sleeping NO
I think it is okay for our kids (mine and his) to come in and cuddle in the morning.. they are well trained though if the door is closed, they are to knock!!!!! That was what we struggled with the most at first because I have GIRLS and the three of us lived alone for sometime before DH and SS moved in... they could come in my room whenever they wanted. It took some getting used to for the kids.
Sleeping on the other hand... I am completely against. My kids never slept in my bed even at infancy... just a personal opinion though. We are all intitled to them!And even with the kids coming in your room in the morings... that is something you and BF HAVE to come to an agreement on, that will make or break a relationship.
Good luck!
I dont think you are wrong
I think its a preference different for everyone. My sd's are 3 and 5 and have been with us since 14mos old (the youngest) and they come get into our beds in the morning on the weekend not all the time but occasionally- I dont mind it- they get in the middle ofus and cuddle with both of us for 10 min- they just want that closeness to both of us and to be honest with you we enjoy that closeness with them too-- mine are a little younger though. they will not be small enough to do this forever and before we know it they will be teens and not want anything to do with us- we eat it up just as much as they do right now- But if you mind it then you should tell dh. I'm sure he does enjoy this bonding time with his daughter and again it wont last that much longer- they grow up so fast you know.- I think when u do tell him just be sensitive to his feelings about it too- Like I said its not wrong either way just a personal preference. and i agree with daddysgirl sleeping with you is not okay
sorry forgot
maybe if you are uncomfortable- he and her could cuddle on the couch and watch cartoons in the morning instead- thatwould be a good comprimise
I can see valid points on both sides of the story.
I do not think there is anything wrong with kids sleeping in bed with birth parents. I think that doing so with steps is another story. I do not let skids in my bedroom for a couple of reasons. One is that I need some private space. The other is to avoid accusations. BM has a propensity for pointing the finger without provocation and would love a chance to take visitation away. We don't give her any canon fodder.
If BM were not so adversarial, ok a lot less adversarial, I would consider it. Also, the fact of a daughter with a Father may raise some eyebrows in our society where, sorry to say, an accusation can carry as much weight as an actual trial. Child abuse is horrifying, but somewhere along the line we lost track of innocent until proven guilty and some decent people have paid a high price for that.
I think I am partly reacting to a recent case in our state where a mentally ill man, who everyone was ready to lynch, was acquitted due to scientific evidence that he was innocent of sex crime against a kid. He ended up being a victim of our culture's overzelous propensity to hang em high, without a real investigation.
I'm not talking about being paranoid and suspicous all day long, but I do think men (and women) need to be careful to avoid the appearance of impropriety; even if they are doing nothing wrong.
I also think that there is validity in listening to your own intuition about what is best. You sound like a caring stepmom, so if it feels weird to you then that is something to look at.
Good luck with this situation,
// Susanna
"One breath at a time is an acceptable plan."
Ani DiFranco
sometimes
the step parent is the closet thing to a birth parent they have- and I have raised my step daughter since they were babies with out any contact with drug addict bm until recently- to them i am their mom and just because i did not give birth to them does not make me any less of their real mom- because to my little girls their father and I have been the only ones here for them- i understand in your situation but i think every situation is different and i also think step parents are parents too- and alot of us do more for skids and love the kids more than biological parents-
Yes, I can understand...
Because I was always afraid of the dark (Ok, I still am...) I encourage my kids and my skids to come into our room if they get scared or cold or whatever. Although my youngest still does - my skids never have. My kids are all boys and hubby's kids are all boys, and maybe with a girl "cuddling" with her daddy in our bed may make me feel wierd, like I were "competing" or something.... I'm not sure. There shouldn't be a difference, but I guess there is. Hmmm. Hadn't thought about until your post.
3 in a bed and stepdaughters exploration going a bit too far...
Just wanna say I feel for every stepmom in here. I will soon become one, I've been asked to marry my BF who has a 3 year old daughter I've known since she was 1 yr. We have lived together for 1 1/2 and alot of things have changed over that period of time. I noticed this subject pop up quite frequently and I've gotta say that It's not right. I realize our situatuon right now is we're living with a roomate and have only one bedroom to share between the 3 of us (her bed is next to ours). It's not quite as aggrivating with her here because she only gets her visits with us 2 1/2 days out of the week. However, when she is here its time to sleep, she is put down in our bed before we go to sleep and then once she is out we then move her across the room into hers. The Morning is not fun because I am awaken(I know kids time clocks are set very early) by her shouting and screaming. I understand all this and its ok, we have only a small room right now until we find something of our own with 2 bedrooms. What really conserns me is when she's climbing up in bed with us and my BF is extremely, well you know...aroused there. It makes me so uncomfortable I could just scream. She's also at this age where she is exploring the body and especially has an uncomfortable interest with what lies beneath daddies boxers. She's seen it too and always wants to try and touch it and He tells her no but in a calm voice. I just feel possesive too over him and I feel real guilt about that in the way she wants to explore. He takes baths with her and tells me that its ok because he doesnt want her to wonder when she gets older and rather let her know now. He is afraid if he doesnt let her know body parts then later on she will become premiscuous. I've not stressed it enough on how uncomfortable I feel when I see it, and her getting her own room when we move. Theres no worries I am here with them both all the time and theres no unspoken things going on between him and his daughter. I just know that I am second place when it comes to his child and If I go too far with telling him how uncomfortable some of this makes me than I fear that I will be pushed out of the picture and he's told me this before with no problem. I already realize his child is first he doesnt have to tell me. Its making me upset and I dont want to have this pin up anger any longer when she is around. Help me!
Very shocking!
A dad taking a bath with a three year old daughter is completely inapropriate!! I would be very concerned about that. In Minnesota, that would be grounds for legal action.
I am a busy bee today!
My thoughts-and I have a few questions too.The child is 3 years old, she of course is going to be interested by body parts as they look differnt than hers and this will be a curiosty. Most children do not "experiment" usually until they are more of the age of 4-5. It is not totally uncommon for a 3 year old to be interested though. Sounds like your place is small and you 3 sleep in the same room.my opinion-- first mistake-- when you put her down for the night- you said that you put her in your bed first--why?? that automatically sets the tone for her to think your bed is where she is going to sleep, if she awakens in the night now in a differnt bed this is very confusing for a child of 3, because the smells are different bed style etc.. I would suggest starting her in her bed-- if she cries the ween her off of your bed bit by bit-- you can even give her "rewards" if she stays in her bed all night.Here is my thought-- for a child of 3 her wanting cuddle time with Dad is normal but I do think after certain amout of cuddle time it is time to get up and do breakfast. I also feel that it is important for a child to know their body parts and feel secure about their body image as well as your fiance-- this can be done with early childhood books and videos which are age appropriate to their level of thinking and by proper verbage from you and dad, I don't feel however by walking around naked as a male displaying his body parts to teach her what they are called is the way to go.I have a question here--Am I wrong with that last statement-- does he have no problem with her trying to touch his penis? out of curiosity or has she just merely accidentally seen "it " a few times? My other question is you claimed he is " aroused" when she climbs into bed with you guys-- is he aroused by her getting into the bed-- or was it already there when she hopped in because he is wanting you?? if it is just there then he really needs to start thinking about baseball or apple pie as he sees her heading your way,cuddling with your daughter while you have an erection is not appropriate I would be a bit concerned about that-- especially if he does not lose it while in the process of cuddling, please correct me if I am wrong. this will cause thought processes in a child-- at 3 she will be able to recall her experiences she had as a child and it will shape in some degree how she is with her children in the future.He needs to lose the boner!unless the timing is appropriate for the 2 of you! Also my concern is when you expressed he has basically given you your walking papers if you decide a child sleeping with you or seeing you guys naked isn't ok concerns me.Be sure of what you want before this goes any further--if you can't express how you feel to him and how he is important to you as well as his daughter without a threat of you leaving or being told to leave- and if you already feel second fiddle-- you may need to re assess your situation and definitely get couples counseling if he will agree to- both of you need to be able to talk through things, not being able to communicate properly is not a good way to feel or a good way to begin a marriage.You also say you don't feel that there is anything to worry about-RE: sexual M/Abuse--But to me not only being trained to work with abused children but also having to sit in a court room and listen to a preteen girl relay her story to the court that when she was 3 years old (and off and on for years to come) she remembers at 3 her dad rubbing her up and down on his P-this was done in their laundry room Mom was home and had no clue any of this was going on, he is now serving 10 years in prison for rape of a child. I know that kids seeing their parents parts time to time is normal it happens, but please take notice if he begins to appear overly protective of her, possessive of her, jealous of you and her, as these are some of the tell tale signs of a pedophile or one in the making--also look for things such as playboys being displayed openly in the house so that she might get to them, and look at her behavior -- does she have night terrors??, is she easily upsettable? does she fear toilet times? I am not saying he is a sexual deviant but some of the things you wrote have a red flag or two in my opinion. Hope it all works out.
To sum it up...
WOW, yes the bed situation has become very annoying. Before he and I met the 2 of them always slept in the same bed since she was born just about. She has slept in her bed, but he's been doing it this way with putting her in his bed and then hers after asleep long before I came along. It's gonna be hard to break her in. Fortunatley we are movng to our own home and she will have her own bedroom and he knows I want her to have her own because I have stressed it time and time again. Any thoughts on helping her get comfortable with her new room and preventing her from coming to our room once we're all settled in? I care about her and want to make our first home together comfortable for all of us. Far as the being aroused part its always when he first wakes up in the morning and he's cuddled up right beside me. He never holds her when he's like that.I did recently tell him that I prefer if he would not be so easy going when he's naked when she's around, that it makes me very uncomfortable. I told him if he want's to give her a bath he needs to put shorts on as well. I know when something like that makes me feel uncomfortable like I've said before. She knows not to see me when I'm getting undressed because I go to the bathroom. I'm not her BM so I don't think It's appropriate for her to see me naked. Oh you also asked if he lets her touch his penis...no definently not. It's usually a once in a while thing she'll notice it. I've seen it most when he gives her a bath or ready for the shower. She's usually playful about it. He tells her no when she does. Do you think it's right for him to not wear something when he's bathing her? Also, the signs you told me to look out for are not occuring. I have paid close attention and thank you so much.
The BED!!
I made a comment but it did not go through-- I will try again-- My thoughts to you were I will sum it up-- Dad should be getting to a point at her being 3 --this is getting to borderline for my comfort zone for duel naked time-- He needs to wear a suit in the tub especially if BD is being overly curious- it does not enforce that sexuality is bad but does get the point across to her in a subtle way that is a " no touch zone" on daddy.Also I had expressed that as you are moving and will be in a new house-- try to get her as involved as possible in the process-- especially surrounding her new room-- have her help carry light weight things, ask her where she would like her bed to go- dressers etc..-If you have the money get her somethng "new " for her new room-- emphasize that it is her room her space-- also what helped my kids as they were tiny when I got divorced-- I put pics of me and pics of their dad by their beds so they could look at them whenever they wanted-- My thought was if you can bare to do it-- take a pic of the 3 of you guys and then see if BM will give you a pic of her or her with BD- set these by her bed where she can fall alsleep to them and that will be what she sees in the mornig upon waking-- a reinforcing fact that she is safe she is not alone, and you are with her dad but not trying to make her BM go away. That is important for children of all ages but very important for smaller kids. by the time she is 5 she should be bathing alone-- maybe popping a head in for safety but that's it.I had in my last message relayed that by you keeping your body parts private is good since you are not BM-at least for a very long time-- I had relayed in my blog to you that one time my skids jimmied the bathroom door open one time while playing a game of hide and seek-the deal was- the music was playing-kids were playing-- I had gone for a run and was muddy-- I was taking a shower to get cleaned up as we were going to go somewhere-- I went for my shower locked the door--I hopped out briefly to get a new bar of soap--one of the kids stuck something in the door knob and got the door open I don't think realizing I was in there-- much to all of our embarrassment I grabbed the shower curtain and hopped back in faster than I can say my own name-- all 5 kids turned red- covered there eyes and said" sorry!!" and ran back out I made a point to relock the door and finished my shower-- this is one of the many stories where I can say -- protect yourself against a jealous EX-- of course the kids thinking it was kinda funny in the after math told BM-- or-- it was interrogated out of them as she always questioned the children about doings during their visits at dad's-- not only did she call CPS maliciously on my H and I but added in her false report-- that I " walk around naked all the time-- and I had invited the children to come and watch me shower and I showed them my "downstairs"--How sick do you have to be to maliciously twist an innocent emabarrassing moment into some act of supposed deviance?? I think everyone knows if they have read any of my stuff here we were cleared of all her allegations--I hadn't even known what she looked like yet when she began this behavior-- needless to say-- she is facing a 1,000$ fine and 90 days in jail for making a phony CPS call-- CPS is on our side and they think she is a looloo.Sounds like you and his ex don't have these issues but always make sure you are protected in any case!!hope that helps and hope everything works out. I had also relayed that before I had met my H-I had been in a 5 year Relationshit with a guy who had 3 kids-- they all "needed" constant dad time to the point of me feeling like the family dog--they love me-- but go lay down over there til I call you-- It got really old-- not a good feeling-- don't ever let yourself feel like the family dog.
Kristilibons
What a shame...
Thank you so much and I will take all your advice from here on. I'm so sorry your SD's BM is such a wicked woman for doing what she did. It's not fair to use services like the CPS to get a rise out of you and your husband to make her self feel better accomplished. I'm sure that helped supress her jealousy towards you. I hate that. I swear if I ever become a single parent and my guys got a knew wife, I will do what I can to make hers and my relationship civil. I think we women have 80 percent of the problem on our end getting crapped on by the BM. I would like to see that change. It could be worse between myself and my SD's BM when I look at some of the posts up here from other people. It's a good thing.
I hated it when SD used to do
I hated it when SD used to do that. DH and I have always slept naked so it made it extra creepy when she'd just barge in the room and climb into bed with us before either of us even knew she was there. I was happy that my DH stamped that behaviour out without me even needing to mention it; not that it was easy...skid dragged her heels throughout the entire process. You're right, it's your private space, the only place and time where you and your DH can share time just the two of you. How can you maintain any level of intimacy as a couple when you've got that little cock block climbing into bed with you in the morning?! It can be nice having snuggles in bed in the morning with your child, but the kid needs to be taught to respect boundaries, and knock and wait for permission to enter the room; SK can't continue to barge into your room whenever she feels like it.