whats with all the hype about absent skids?

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i read quite a few blogs about absent skids, pas'd out skids, bio's who dont let their kids see the other parent.....i dont see the problem in this!

im sure that the other parent is upset over the fact they cant see their kids...but i just feel its easier that way! easier to console a sad father than to deal with his spawns....just my opinion.

im sure i will catch a virtual ass-whoopin for this post, but i just think that those who complain about bm NOT dumping the skids on u, should stop complaining/! yeah, so ur SO may 'talk' about their kids alot but if u dont have to deal with the bullshit, then be happy u get ur SO to urself! no real upfront drama!!!!!!

Honestly, I've got both...the

Honestly, I've got both...the PAS'd teenagers who live with BM Redneck & the two resident Skids who see their BM (Nasty) for less than a week per year. The amount of drama from the PAS'd ones (who we NEVER see) is FAR greater than the drama from the resident Skids. BM's are opposite (no drama from Redneck but loads from Nasty)

I have to say though that seeing ones spouse or SO heart-broken over losing kids, most would go through hell & high water to make it better for them...unless of course they've already learned their lesson

Aren't you moving out? Would

Aren't you moving out?
Would you toss your DD out to live "happily every after" with your man?

That's the way I see it. I would never ask or want DH to do something that I myself would never do.

Seriously?! Why would you not

Seriously?! Why would you not allow your DH's child in your home? Surely you shouldn't have got with him if you don't like his son! Spouses come and go but kids are your flesh and blood! Sorry but if my FDH EVER said my child wasn't welcome in our home he'd be out like a shot. JMHO

why do so many people assume

why do so many people assume that sm's are banning 3 and 4 year olds from their homes? chances are good that if a skid is banned, there is a damn good reason for it, and something a little more than crumbs on the counter.

as for not getting with a man whose child(ren) you don't like, that's crap. we don't marry the kids. people get married to other people who have friends and relatives they don't like all the time, but if it's the skids we don't like, we are somehow stupid for being with the man anyway. i can't stand fdh's sm or his uncle. should i not marry him because of that? i don't like his brat either, but i only had to deal with her for a little while. she is now 19 and on her own. i'm not gonna leave fdh because he has people in his family that i don't even have to see that i don't like.

Fair enough I was wrong. I

Fair enough I was wrong. I did assume it was a youngster and I'm sorry. BUT it is DH's home too.

Regarding getting with a man, his child is a LOT different to just any other relative. I could never get with someone who didn't like my child and his father would have a damned hard job having any sort of custody if his gf was like some of the SMs I've seen here.

if fdh had had full custody

if fdh had had full custody of sd (12 when we met), i would not have been with him. it wouldn't have made it to 6 months, maybe not even to 3. but only having to deal with her 4 days a month made it easier.

You are also laboring under

You are also laboring under the assumption that that nice, sweet two year old doesn't become a monster later on. That kind of throws the whole "you knew what you were getting into" theory out the window.

Okay that is rather extreme

Okay that is rather extreme then. I completely understand not wanting him them. Would you allow him in your home IF he was sober and DH wanted him over for an hr or so?

My adult skids were estranged

My adult skids were estranged for about 5 years. They all went to college away from home, went to the grandparents for holidays on the opposite coast and eventually had zero contact. At the time, I thought it wasn't ideal, but it was better then having to deal with conflict. I figured eventually they would come around and my focus was my life, my kids and my husband and didn't worry about what was going on with the skids.

There were a lot of things that DH missed. My SS didn't invite his dad (or me) to his wedding. DH wasn't there for the birth of his first grandkid. Dh learned that while in college, SD had some issue with a boyfriend and got in trouble for underage drinking and never was told about it.

He got the guilt trip from his sister about everything that had been going on with his kids that he didn't have clue about and that his kids' grandmother was ill with advanced Parkinsons (DH was widowed, BM was an only child). Didn't matter what kind of rude things that their grandmother said about me when Dh and I got married, he dropped everything to fly out to help his kids because his family accused him of abandoning his kids.

There's this assumption that if your kids are estranged, you must have done something wrong, especially with kids like my skids who all have successful careers. You have to pretend with people that knew them or relatives that nothing's wrong and fake smile when you say that the baby you've never seen is doing wonderful.

My skids use access to grandkids as tools of manipulation the way BMs do. If Dh wants to see his grandkids, he has to fly out to see them. None of the skids have stepped foot in our home since they left. DH is semi-retired. He flies out for weeks at a time to visit his kids. I'm not invited. Its like Dh has a completely separate life with his kids. Everyone keeps saying when there are grandkids, everything gets better. except when the grandkids live on the opposite coast.

The drama is far less upfront and more behind your back. All my Dh's relatives talk about me and what's going on with the kids and why they hate me, why they're so upset. I'm not involved in any of their lives. They dont know me. They refuse to get to know me or accept me, and there was only so long that Dh would be separated from his kids and grandkids.

Your partner can't see his

Your partner can't see his child(ren) yet you don't see the problem? He/she is heartbroken yet you see no issue? My FDH is heartbroken when BM stops him seeing his son and it hurts me to see him so upset. I'd take all the crap if it means he can see his son! Because you know what? I LOVE him! And when I got into this relationship, I did so knowing full well he had a child and that child will always be a part of our lives. If you don't like their kids, do them a favour and let them be single and find someone who will be okay with it. Because deliberately trying to stop them seeing their own flesh and blood or constantly moaning about it is just selfish! Partners come and go but your own flesh and blood is forever!

And really? "spawns"? These are real people you are talking about. People who like it or not, were made by your partner before you even got involved. Why are you even with this man if this is your attitude?

And thats fine. But then I

And thats fine. But then I wouldn't stay. Because his son is more important than any other father. To stay when I hate the child, like so many people here do, would just be selfish.

Also, to say I think I'm different is just absurd. There are plenty of people I know IRL who have step kids (children and adults) who have a fantastic relationship. Even those who's BM was initially psycho.

At the end of the day, if you (people here in general) don't like it, don't stay! Why spend all day bloody moaning about it online and slagging off anyone who does have a good relationship with their partner and stepchild(ren)?!

Because like any other

Because like any other parent, I have good days and bad. But that never means I hate my stepson! Tbh I didn't think people could be so damn hateful about others - especially when those others happen to be their partner's child! Which, let me remind you, were actually here before most of us were even in the picture!

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I suppose you think it is

I suppose you think it is fine for the skids to hate us? Hmmm, one would think that if THEY loved their fathers they would want him to be happy, too, but in your world its only up to us to love enough to not be selfish? In many, many, many cases on this board, the sms "hate" their stepkids because of their behavior and it isn't just that their behavior toward us is bad its that they are not going to be functioning members of society. We put up with HELL inorder to try to help these kids get a clue before the real world eats them alive because we love our dhs and we're the selfish ones? That's rich. You're a gem.

I didn't say it was fine for

I didn't say it was fine for the stepkids to be hateful too. But they're your partner's kids, there's nothing you can do about their existence. Is it really so difficult to try and stay out of it rather than being so hateful? I've seen someone on this board call a 5yr old a tramp - it's totally uncalled for. Trying to help is not the attitude of some of the people I've seen her.

Like the other posters have

Like the other posters have said, please don't judge before you've walked a mile in their shoes. You say the stepkids were most likely there before us--often that is true, sometimes it isn't, but just because they were here before does not mean they trump the other.

Please read a bit more before you jump in with your idealistic notions of what it means to be on the receiving end of hate and anger and injustice.

-There are stepparents of kids here who were born out of a cheating spouse, so no, they were not here before them. Does this mean the spouse trumps the kid in this case, based on your argument? Or are you going to expound on the fact that children trump adults in all cases?
-There are stepparents of kids whose father did not even know they existed until the BM came out of the woodwork and told him years later when they already had a family, so no, once again, they were not here before them.
-There are stepparents with spouses who have no idea how, or out-right refuse to parent their kids.
-There are stepparents with spouses who refuse to support them.
-These stepparents do not refuse to allow the parent to see their kids--they can, just somewhere else. That is different from not allowing them in their home. You are mixing the two and seeing it as one.
-There are bioparents who have, themselves, decided to be parents and support their spouses, only to be met with anger and abandonment by their children who then refuse to come over or try to make their lives hell. These parents have then disallowed their OWN children from stepping foot into their home, which is by all counts, the right thing to do. If MY own children treated my spouse or myself like shit and nothing I did was able to combat that, I will disown them in a heart-beat and they would no longer be welcome in my home. Hell if they get any inheritance either--I'd rather it go to charities than the ungrateful monsters that a bitter ex have created, and that I have failed in combatting.

They/we are only human, and if someone cannot behave in our home, and their parents won't control them, then they do not have the right to be in and destroy our homes and families.

So once again, your situation is different, you have a supporting spouse--not everyone does. I've been on this forum long enough to see so many stepparents who believe they themselves created the holy grail of successful stepparenting, when in reality, it is their spouses (whom they have no control over--because no one has any control over the actions of any other person without their consent) who have made their jobs easier.

Not everyone has that luxury.

I KNOW it's my partner's

I KNOW it's my partner's attitude that makes things a heck of a lot easier. But if you hate your skids and your partner isn't supportiv, why in God's name stay?!

Because, without their kids,

Because, without their kids, they are the man or women that the stepparents fell in love with. Why is it that people stay with abusive alcoholics or druggies? Because when they are not under the influence, they are the people that you believe they truly are, the loving, sweet, kind, protective human beings that you have given your heart to.

I have a very, very, very supportive FDH as well, but I can still understand how these stepparents got to where they are today and have absolutely nothing to hold against them (except for the few select "crazies" that occasionally come on this board... but everyone drives them off pretty quick.)

I do however, have less tolerance for those who give blanket statements or idealistic expectations that they themselves may have reached but are trying to force their conclusion on others and if it doesn't work, they resort to personal attacks. That is an unfortunate stance to take, as I think these are the people who need to learn a little more empathy and understanding, but meh, who am I to judge as well, right?

Trust me on this. It looks

Trust me on this. It looks so easy from where you are sitting. I was you. I liked my Stepkids and thought I would grow to love them. Hell no! As soon as I moved in, all hell broke loose. SD hated me and did everything she could to drive me over the edge.

Fast forward and she lives with mom after spending 17K on lawyers when she sued us the day after her 14th birthday. My SS13 is with us full time. I love him and would do anything for him. But, that is a work in progress every day...SD16 now can go to hell for the crap she put me through. Did I every think I would feel that way about a child, no. But, I do. She is trouble and I do not want her back in my life.

Get off your high horse and realize that realistically you can end up where most of us are very easily. Your SK is young and easy. Just wait, it get way more fun, once they realize that you are not leaving and you try to parent them....

i didn't think i was capable

i didn't think i was capable of hatred of this magnitude before i met sd, either. let a skid laugh while you are miscarrying and tell me how you think they're so sweet then.

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I'm perfectly aware of how

I'm perfectly aware of how easy it is to love a 2yr old. But I wouldn't be him, let alone marry him unless I was prepared foe the future. There are plenty of people who have decent relationships with their skids, even when they are teenagers. Simple answer - don't have kids with a man when you're not prepared to deal with their other child or at least not prepared to shut your mouth and not be so damn hateful.

We must do love. Because

We must do love. Because plenty of my family / friends have adult/teen step kids and get on well with them

Haha lol this is really

Haha lol this is really making me laugh. Everyone here assumes that things go tits up. As I've said, I know plenty of people with supporting spouses and non crazy BMs who DO have good relationships with older stepkids. Utimately if a child can split up yor relationship, theres a problem with your partner NOT just the child!

Vent? It appears most people

Vent? It appears most people here aren't just venting. They're downright rude about their stepkids. Think the bloody world revolves around them and that their partner shouldn't see the kids just because they don't like them.

I met my SS when he was 3

I met my SS when he was 3 because I accidentally fell in love with his dad. I came from a broken home which made me think I could deal with it. My mum tells me all the time she thought I was smarter than to get involved with someone who has so much baggage, considering I had no children. Fast forward 8 years, I had NO idea what I was up against. BM has done nothing but manipulate and make sure every life event of ours has been overshadowed by some drama of there's. She has made sure she used her son to get Mil and fil feeling so sorry for her it basically ripped DH's family a part. So yeah, the sweet once 3 year old is now 11 and he can't stand being in my company and unfortunatelyit has made me feel the same. Bm wasn't even in love with DH when they were together 8 weeks and she trapped him with pregnancy so she could be on benefits for 18 years. Now SS11 is just as manipulative and self centred as her....please tell me what's to like about that. Why have people got the right to even try and manipulate my life because she has the golden child, the one!!!! There is no way I could have been prepared for the future, I had NO idea it would turn out like this. I thought Bm would have moved on a lot faster and not concentrated on collecting a team of haters against me. So its not just the child you have to deal with, its a team of people. I am a person too, I was a child once, what makes them think I am strong enough to deal with all this bullshit. And why can't they shut their mouths and accept a child will never like his SM when Bm will not only not encourages the relationship, but in fact encourages the hate.

i agree. i had a monster of a

i agree. i had a monster of a sf and i hated him more than anything i have ever hated in my life. i vowed when i was a teenager that if i ever had skids, i would love them and treat them like my own. very idealistic. what i failed to realize was that for that to happen, the skids have to want the same thing. mine didn't. she hated me for being in fdh's life. she hated me for what she saw as me "stealing her daddy". she even told me that at 17 years old. i stole her and "changed" him. i could go on for days about the ridiculous accusations she has made. she has no idea how good she could have had it with me. because she chose to be an ass from day one. all i could do is the best i can with that kind of treatment. i can't change her or fix her. i can't have the relationship with her that i wanted when she is refusing.

now that she is 19 and pregnant, she suddenly wants me to be there for her. it's a little late for that. you don't get to spend 7 years being a total POS to me and have me be your number one fan. you don't get to laugh while i lose my baby to miscarriage and have me be there to support you during pregnancy. this is just further proof of how very little she gets it. she sees nothing wrong with her behavior and fully expects that she should be able to do any rotten thing she wants to and i should love her unconditionally while she does it. maybe someday she will pull her head out of her ass. maybe not. i don't really care. i've been over her for years.

who said anything about

who said anything about deliberately trying to stop them from seeing their kids? did you pull that out of your ass, cuz i saw that nowhere. as for them being "people", so were jeffrey dahmer and ted bundy. just because someone has flesh and blood instead of scales doesn't make them any less a monster.

Newwife3 said: I didn't toss

Newwife3 said: I didn't toss SS out but I have refused to let him in our home - except for an occasional hour or two visit. I keep DH out of town as much as possible.

"I keep DH out of town as much as possible" - that to me is basically preventing DH from seeing his son

Stepaside Your my hero too! I

Stepaside

Your my hero too!

I am only 2 years in but after a year of hell with SD now 5 I no longer give a shit about her of if I see her or not and like you, I NEVER tell anyone about her. I used to but her bits and bobs and take her out and make an effort BUT after being treated like shit when her Dad is around (ignoring me when I ask her something, no manners, just rude) I just think fuck you ******

Sadly she does come to my house every other weekend but I just save up all my jobs to do when she is there and hardly ever have to see her or be in the same room as her, I relax and chill out when she has been put to bed.

I think SO knows in his heart of hearts that I cannot stand her and I feel sorry for him as he loves her as she is his D but for me she is just nothing and if I never saw her again it would be too soon.

I don't have kids yet but if and when I do, they will have as little to do with the tramp as possibe.

I don't understand parents

I don't understand parents who do this either. They tread so lightly because they're trying to protect the kids, but they actually do their kids a disservice and they end up spoiled and not knowing how to accomplish anything for themselves, a source of lifelong joy.

In some cases, it has nothing

In some cases, it has nothing to do with "protecting the kids".

Sometimes, it's a feeble effort to combat the emotional terrorism that some SK's play with their bioparent (in this case, my DH).

Don't make me do my homework, or I won't come over anymore
Don't make me follow house rules, or I won't come over anymore
Don't tell me I have to be nice to HER (me), or I won't come over anymore
If you don't buy me (insert whatever pricy item) now, I won't come over anymore
Mom lets me do (insert ridiculous antics), so if you don't, I won't come over anymore
Mom says I can't do (extracurricular) because YOU won't pay for all of it, so I won't come over anymore

And it goes on. And no, the SK's uttering these things (at least in my case) are not small children. They are almost adults, so they know *exactly* what they are doing, and they're milking it for everything it's worth.

This would be my teenage

This would be my teenage SD's...to a T. They have refused to visit for a year now...they do however call daddykins on occasion to beg for money (above & beyond insurance & CS)...yeah...real sweethearts I tell ya!

"Tramp" You're calling a 5 yr

"Tramp" You're calling a 5 yr old a tramp? What a b*tch! I don't think the problem is your SD, it's your SO for letting her get away with it. If yoy don't give a "shit" about one of the most important parts of his life, why stay? You want kids with this man but he allows her to speak to you in this way. And he's probably going to want ALL his children seeing each other, which he has every right to want that.

Its the faact its easier to

Its the faact its easier to upset you and make you cry rather than be the cause of being truthful bring tears to ther brats of a kid. I tried I been lookin on ere for over a year hoping someone would giv me the answer on how to make a SD like you .well hell I had to giv up trying for my own health. Learnt tht like you STEPASIDE. I give in. I had to because trying to get on with her made my life a living hell. She played all the head games of when dad stood by me she packed and left for the 20th time and would come back after bringin her dad to tears.HAHA big mistake 2 months ago she did the same because I said she aint workin she dnt help round house she can pay me board cus unlike the previous house we lived in her dads name aint on this one so like she kept throwing at me she dont have to do anythin i ask it her dads house. I got tyhe final laf wen she left 2 mounths ago.(This is my house and she will never live under this roof again) she can come stay over every now and then.I dnt mind tht but I and I alone say who can lived in my home. AND it most def aint gonna be someone tht deliberately made lies agaisnt my son an me to try turn her dad an his family agaisnt me...I dont speak about her. I dnt wanna look at her and yes the rule she made when I was in my house tht she hid in her rule so dad can go watch films with her alone..well tht rule still suits me fine.at least I dnt have to look at or breath the same air as some one who can blatently be so nasty to get her dad to leave his wife jus so she gets his inheritence. TAKE it all I say jus leave me alone.

I have been a SM for 8 years

I have been a SM for 8 years and have literally only just realised that it is my fear of rejection that triggers such hateful feelings towards my SS. Thank you StepAside for your comment it is so nice to be able relate to people like this on this topic. I am so sick of being rejected and feeling insecure about who I am because a child dislikes me so much and blames me for everything. My family is suffering because of how bad I have taken this rejection. I hate how I behave sometimes because I just can't handle it. I want to stop feeling guilty about the fact that things are just so much better when SS isn't here. It's nice of people to feel sorry for the kid but I just can't handle being in the company of someone that dislikes me as much as SS11 does. I wish I could speed up the process of shifting my goals...and do it without feeling guilty, it will be a good day when this happens!!!

I sometimes get really upset

I sometimes get really upset about feeling rejected, too. It's funny--everyone always says, "it's just a kid, they don't know any better." And you are expected to just take it. Well, its the bio parents responsibility to teach them better, and if they don't....then, they're contributing to our hurt! So, the only resort becomes avoiding the situation altogether (and feeling great about it.) No one can be immune to constant criticism.

Yes the old he's only a kid,

Yes the old he's only a kid, you're the adult. What pains me is they actually get joy from me being the rejected, hated one...esp. Bm. Atleast she has someone to blame every time something goes wrong, its nothing to do with her. And MIL loves saving the day and making SS 11 feel safe...oh yeah, cause its not safe here....the big mean olga lives here. Makes me feel sorry for our children, how do they cope having such a horrible mean mother...well that's how it makes me feel anyway!

Thanks... I will read the

Thanks... I will read the blog. 100% true, I am at the stage where I have caved and I AM feeling like the crazy one. It is affecting every part of my life. It's only people like you that make sense, that understand. Of course I knew the kid was here first,but no, I had no idea how badly I handle rejection or not being accepted by family members who think I have done something to deserve this hatred. I knew falling in love with DH was going to be hard because there was a child involved, but I had absolutely no idea how badly I was going to handle this rejection and all the feelings that surround it.

All in heritence put together

All in heritence put together will come to 80 grand with his mum inheritence. I my self wil get 20grand it was all a bit messed up tht message. she wants all inheritence his mums and our tht wil be 20k yes. I am aware tht funerals cost so much. I simply sed to him giv her everything as long as Im not left with a debt for his funeral while she swans off smilling whilst she has added to the stress tht has given him high blood preasure and me a spell on antidepresents. She is so pally with her gran yet slates her behind his back. it had got to a point she was tryin to turn her gran agaisnt her dad. The lies all came out after she left this time and the proof of mails an txt I had was enuf aminition to sink a submarine of all the lies and head games she had played. cus wot she lied to gran about went strait to her aunty who then came to me because her aunty can see through her but gran and dad are blind to little angels ways but are now well aware but cus I bought to light wot SD is like hubby has informed SD tht she has caused alot of tears in this house and tht he has realised wot her game play was.

You have to walk in our shoes

You have to walk in our shoes to understand how we got to the place where we would be thrilled that a Stepkid doesn't live with us anymore.

SD16 lied to everyone and manipulated her mom and sued us to live with mom full time the day after her 14th birthday. I feel like I suffer from PTSD for what she did to us. Running into people in town who have been told I hit her and was abusive to her, has been humiliating. She is a nightmare and she is getting worse and worse....Thankfully, she is not welcome here. DH knows if he does someday have a relationship with her, it will not be in this house ever again. I am done.

If she asks for money for college or a car, she will get nothing. We spent 17K fighting it in court, and that is where he college funds have gone....All this and we see her constantly fooling around, because she lives in the next subdivision.

Don't judge, lest this mess happens to you...

i agree. if sd19 disappeared

i agree. if sd19 disappeared from our lives at any point, i would have felt bad for fdh, but i sure as hell wouldn't have been sad for me! i would be thrilled to never see face again.

I guess I struggle to

I guess I struggle to understand how you could be thrilled about something that would cause that kind of hurt for your fdh...?

She didn't say "relieved".

She didn't say "relieved". She said "thrilled". There's a difference.

i would be thrilled for ME.

i would be thrilled for ME. not for fdh. it's really that simple. there's nothing to dissect here. i wouldn't want to see him hurt. take him out of the equation and leave me, no love lost.

"im sure that the other

"im sure that the other parent is upset over the fact they cant see their kids...but i just feel its easier that way! easier to console a sad father than to deal with his spawns....just my opinion."
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I can tell you, from experience, that I have never felt so hopeless as I did in trying to console a sad father when he was alienated from his kids. It isn't just about not getting to see them. It's about the relationship he had with children he intended to spend years raising & teaching & making memories with. It's about him having dedicated himself to being a responsible parent & helping them become responsible happy adults & him having to sit by able to do nothing as they were being brainwashed to believe he was abusive & harmful to them & to BM.

Perhaps to a selfish person, it's easy to watch a man's soul break as his world shatters around him...because she is wrapped up in herself enough that no one else's feelings, wants, or needs matter. But for a wife who truly loves her partner, there is nothing more heartbreaking than to see her husband be the target of rejection & humiliation, being made to feel like a failure at no fault of his own, & only be able to sit by & watch it all happen. Any person capable of sympathy would be broken by this.

I married a man with children. I fully expected to have to deal with them. Instead I've spent the last 7 years trying to help my husband heal from the hurt he did not deserve & get our marriage back on a path of progression. I signed up for a life with my husband & his children & I ended up with a marriage nearly broken because they were absent.

lol. I thought I was going to

lol. I thought I was going to love my SD when she was 2, too. I thought "How can I not love her, she is part of my husband and I love him". Well, turns out that she got 90% of her personality from her mother (whom I loathe) and the 10% she did get from my dh happen to be the traits in him that are less than lovable. She is 8 now. I guess I don't hate her. I respect that she is his daughter. I encourage that relationship. That said, when she was five she did something that I will never forgive and forget. Hange in there, wait until your ss is not two anymore. Wait until his mother has him tell CPS that you've abused him. Wait until he tells vicious lies about you because mommy promised him a shiny new toy. Wait until you realize that your children will be held to a much higher standard than him because everyone feels soooo bad about the divorce. Wait until he tells his father he expects $20 for simply eating his breakfast. Wait until you suffer a traumatic event and he laughs in your face. Wait until every minute of your day (what time you shower, when you wake up, when you go to bed, what you eat, what you buy) is reported to his mother. Wait until you're voluteering at his school to be "involved" and are called into the prinicpal's office because he threatened to kill another student and you want to crawl under a rock. Wait until you do something special for him and his response is "my mommy does it better". Wait until you spend your hard earned money on him for vacation/christmas/dinner and he throws it in your face. Wait until your parents are nice to him and he totally disrespects them. Wait until he slams your baby's fingers in a drawer or pushes him / her out of his way because "he's MY daddy". Wait and see how much you love him then.

He's two. You love him. And you may never hate him or call him bad names. But trust me, the day will come when you wish he wasn't in your face. It will come.

You are here

whats with all the hype about absent skids?