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CaveCanem's picture

Hello. I was browsing this site because I have a unique situation, with questions that I know will be in my future.

I have been married for 15 years, with 2 beautiful children. A couple years ago, my husband made the awful and hideous mistake of cheating on me. If that wasn't bad enough, this person became pregnant (via lies and manipulation, but we are beyond that mess now), and had the child. DNA test proves it belongs to my husband. Through lots of counseling, an incredibly remorseful spouse, and deciding on what was best for us and our family, we have decided to stay together and make it work. It is incredibly difficult, and for those who believe that it's easier to stay, let me reassure you it is the hardest thing ever. I would not wish this on my worst enemy.

Originally we were going to pursue custody, however the BM is highly unstable. She has been unemployed since 2008, had been harassing us until we got the cops involved, associates with criminals, and we fear for our own children and family's safety. It breaks our hearts to know this child is going to be raised with THAT as a parent. The state we live in is incredibly pro-custodial parent. We have been in and out of court, through 3 different attorneys, and she has sole legal and physical custody. What we have learned is that the courts are not really prepared for this type of situation; it was almost treated as if it were a divorce, and the money she was asking for was like you would see in a divorce settlement. She is ALL about getting as much money as possible; for the most part this child is a paycheck.

I work in education, and see first hand my young students who live with crackheads, prostitutes, and criminal mothers, just because they are the mother. So we decided to save our thousands of dollars and not pursue full custody at this time. We may be gearing up for joint legal custody in the near future, depending on finances. Unfortunately because of the time lapse of filing and waiting for paternity, he owes almost $7,000 in back support. That puts any new lawyer retainers on hold.

My husband does pay child support, to the tune of $1200 a month. The BM does not work at all, and has no intention to because she lives off of the CS (which after viewing her financials it pays all her bills), food stamps, and WIC. We are actually trying to figure out how she lived because she has a condo and her unemployment benefits ran out right before she got pg (perfect timing). We suspect--no proof- that she either got money from someone else, is a drug dealer (pot), or she scammed the system. Or all the above.

I hope to learn more about being a step parent, because even if I were or would have divorced my husband, this child would be in my life in some capacity.

I actually have a question to start. I carry our family health insurance policy. Since my husband was ordered to carry the health insurance, the insurance company allowed the child to be added to the policy. Needless to say BM fought tooth and nail to withhold the child's SSN and PCP's name and address as she wants the child to stay on state aid, as she fears that I will have access to his "privacy". I was able to submit the paperwork anyway, and should receive the card anyday now. I do NOT want BM to have ANY access to looking up information because I am concerned about my family. The insurance company has reassured me that since she is not on the policy, she cannot access anything. Has anyone had any issues with this from a legal standpoint? If this is the wrong forum to post, let me know and I will post in the legal issues forum.

Thank you and I hope to get to know everyone better.

Rags's picture

Welcome, I hope you find this community to be a good place to vent, contribute and pick up some good advice from others who are living the blended family dream.

My situation is much different than yours. I married my wife when SS-18 was 1yo. His BioDad is a POS who has 4 out of wedlock spawn with three different baby mamas. The SpermIdiot cheated on my wife w/ a 16yo and abandoned her and SS in a nasty travel trailer to run off w/ a 16yo just before my wife turned 18. She was 16 when SS was born. The SpermIdiot was 21. My wife went on to a dual major BS with honors, an MBA and is a CPA. BioDad lives rent free in a rental property owned by his parents who pay his CS for my SS and raise his younger three in their home with no help from their idiot son or the two other baby mamas.

They were never married. My SS is his oldest and an only child in our home.

BioDad is pretty much a non entity in my son's life and is nothing more than a video game buddy to spend a few days with during a visitation. When visitation was in effect SS spent the majority of his time with SpermGrandMa who is a hag from hell and extremely controlling and manipulative.

We have found that during the past nearly 17yrs of blended family life the only way to minimize the adverse impact of the blended family opposition on your life and on your family is to beat the idiots in to submission legally. If they will not be reasonable then the only option is to destroy them in court IMHO. If they are not a good influence on the child(ren) then they need to be controlled as much as possible to minimize the damage that they can cause your Skid and your family. After several rounds of lawyers and court we limited their influence to 7wks of visitation per year. 5wks summer, 1wk winter and 1wk spring. They wanted more but we never allowed more than the court order awarded. Helping our son through the pre-visitation behavioral issues and the post visitation detox that he deals with after spending time with the shallow and polluted end of his gene pool has been a challenge even when he only spends 7wks a year with the toothless morons.

Your DH's baby mama is one that seems to require being flogged in to submission. I understand that the CS is a challenge but I would recommend that while you have her on the ropes that you invest whatever it takes to get custody for your DH and get BM under control and minimized as an influence on this little girl and on your family.

If we had not gotten legal control of the SpermIdiot and the SpermClan our family situation would not be nearly as pleasant as it has been. Not that it has always been a cake walk dealing with the issues that my son has due to his own issues and the toxic vitriolic crap he has to deal with from his SpermClan.

Welcome again and good luck.

Best regards,

anabihibik's picture

I can sympathize to a point with your situation. When I found ST 2.5 years ago, I was engaged to a man who had just told me he had screwed up nine months earlier in our relationship and had just found out he had twins with his crazy ex. Needless to say, he was lacking in more character than just that, so I'm no longer with him, but I did try to stick it out for another 9 months. It is hard to forgive that level of hurt without a child in the picture and all the issues that go with being a SP. I'm not going to sugarcoat that. But, I think it is possible. I don't know much about the legality of all of what your asking, to be honest.

CaveCanem's picture

Paternity was just established back in November. As far as the instability, I don't have a clinical diagnosis or anything, just going off of her actions (so far).

Everytime my husband had court, BM would yell, create a scene, tell everyone that he dumped her once he found out she was pg. The "relationship" was cut off prior to discovery. As embarrassing it is to say, there was no relationship other than a 4am "booty call". She was pissed he wouldn't leave me for her. She claims to have not known about me, but we have the text messages that prove otherwise. She called and texted him harrassing for months, she harrassed 2 of the 3 last lawyers (yelling, screaming, etc.). Again, no excuse because my husband takes 100% full responsibility for his actions; she told him since she was older (she is older than both of us) that she couldn't get pg and that's why she had no kids. Again, very embarrassing to admit. At the courthouse she admitted to now having a piece of him forever and is going to make his life a living hell financially. That she got the kid she wanted and the money to go with it. She talked to the baby at court one day saying "I'm going to teach you to keep your d*** in your pants", incredibly loud for everyone else to hear. She brought random people to the courthouse, and they would gang up on my husband. She tried going after my money. She was pissed that my kids were calculated into a hypothetical CS first--meaning that "I" filed first without filing. And yes, she doesn't want to pay the copays (responsible for first $250), prescriptions, etc. Asked for more money to cover that.

Trust me when I say that my husband deserves some of this headache for his actions. However he is law abiding and is trying to do the best he can.

We have not tried visitation yet on the advice of our last attorney who put up with the brunt of her harrassment. Besides, she only wants my husband to visit at her house without me present. LOL yea freaking right! The attorney recommended for the child to be older (he is an infant now) before we attempt again. That attorney screwed us up because he did not put in for joint legal initially, and put nothing in for visitation. It's hard because my husband wants no contact because of her, yet he knows it's the "right" thing to do.

We have a family member who went through something similar. He ended up being out over $50,000; the BM convinced the child to lie about things that did not happen (the child ended up admitting it later that it was all a lie), and after all that he had no custody, his family was in shambles, and he admitted to us in the end as painful and hard as it was, it was not worth the fight. That's what we are afraid of, because again this state highly favors the custodial parent. This is already costing our children so much, we just can't see dumping more money into this right now. We have already spent $10,000 in legal fees alone, not the mention the CS.

We have another court date coming up for the arrears (she is asking for more money based on her faulty math). Plus she verbally threatened that she will involve social services if we attempt to get the child, even for visitation. I have 2 children of my own that we need to protect, I am squeaky clean so not worried about social services but I don't need that in my family and life.

Thank you for making me feel welcome. I'm not easily offended and realize that I open myself up to scrutiny and judgement by staying.

lovesthemall's picture

in your first paragraph i noticed that you mentioned, staying together was the hardest thing ever. not many people would admit to that and i say thumbs up for that. i always told friends and family that sometimes doing the right thing isnt always the right thing to do, especially staying together for the kids. i honestly believe it makes things worst. if the parents arent happey then the kids would be the same.

as for your legal situation we are somewhat the same, where i come from you can drag a divorce for years so can you imagine custody?

good luck and i hope it all turns out for the best.

CaveCanem's picture

Thanks! It's been thru extensive counseling (individual and marital) that we have come this far, and even then it's hard. We are staying together more for us than the kids (although initially it was just for the kids for me). But we are happy for the most part, just the financial part of this has been incredibly difficult.

ddakan's picture

Just let it be known that she wanted this to happen, she trapped him like a pro!

Try to get joint custody and visitation. You are paying for this child, you might as well have an influence on how it is raised. We know more about evil here on this site than you can imagine. What your DH did was bad, but not unforgivable. Men get stupid, whatever, but sex does not mean love, it means, stupid decision.

We all have seen a LOT of stupid decisions here. The important thing is now, to focus on the child and try to get custody if the situation really is that bad. The BM is going to be a living cunt of a nightmare to you, so put on your big girl panties and get ready to fight.

18 years is a LONG damn time to pay. We pay 1200 a month for 1 also and that is money that USED to be yours. Resentment is going to set in if you let it...so try not to let it.

Get that visitation....she should not have sole custody if he is willing to man up and isn't a bad person.

My heart goes out to you. Remember, you are not defined by what he does. You are defined by your choices...and no one can question your choices. I've tried to be the bigger person for 12 damn years...it wears on you like a frikin hail storm. I am ready to quit. I am so lost in this B.S. Hopefully, we will make it through the next 2 years in tact, but I don't know right now. One day at a time sweet Jesus! Smile

ddakan's picture

On an additional note, we are 17K in the hole due to BM asking for more money making it retro to filing. Ya, screw US!

CaveCanem's picture

Wow ddakan. When we did the math, it was only $5000 retro. He was ordered to also part with a percentage of his profit sharing checks AFTER taxes. She is trying to get back CS plus the profit sharing at the PRE tax rate. The court order just stated that the CS was retroactive, it said nothing about the profit sharing check. That's an extra $1000 that after taxes is only about $450.

Also, the child was born on a Thursday and she was instructed to put down the CS for every Friday since. How can she claim a week's worth of CS when the child was less than 24 hours old that first week? It's not much; it's the principle for me.

The state we are in SUCKS. CS is until 23 if the "child" is still in college!!! WTF?!? At age 23 I was married, we were totally independent, and about to buy our first home!

And thank you. This was planned to a T on her end, and my husband was DUMB to fall for it.

The hard part for ME is that he wants 100% no contact with the child, because he doesn't want the mother in our lives as she threatened to make our lives a living hell. He is worried about our children's safety because she associates with criminals. In other words, he TOTALLY scraped the bottom of the barrel finding her ass. Plus he doesn't feel a bond with the child at all. It makes me sad because it's not the child's fault both of his parents were selfish assholes at the time of conception. I know it's hard for him because he IS an amazing father to our children and other than this is a good person. He never wanted to be "that guy". If she were to suddenly fall off of the planet, then this would be MUCH easier and the child would be in our home. Ahhh one can wish, huh?

Hopefully I can learn some tips and pointers from you folks in regards to how to deal with someone like this, give those ideas to my husband, and down the road we can have contact with the child.

CaveCanem's picture

Thank you for your perspective stepaside. I didn't think of that angle, but it makes total and complete sense. And yes, right now it is me that is pushing the idea of visitation and custody (more than just to make sure the child is safe, which he wants to make sure of).

This child is going to grow up with so many issues it makes me very sad. At least the condo they live in is decent (she got some type of low income loan on it a few years back), and the CS ensures (hopefully) that they won't have to live in complete squalor. Well as long as BM uses it properly and she someday decides to get a job. At least we can say hey you got $1200 a month sorry if BM didn't use it properly. I'm sure BM won't tell him the truth and make dh out to be the villan; she has tried to do that in court and everywhere else as she enjoys playing the victim. But we have 1 child that was born AFTER that child and really if you do the math you get the idea. Our baby was conceived because I had had a couple of miscarriages previously, and even with this situation going on we wanted to have another child together (we are in our 30s). Not to save the marriage--I figured that would have been or not been saved regardless of another child.

I guess a part of me fears this other child harrassing my children later on, making them feel bad, etc. It's almost like I would rather do damage control now vs. later, and my husband would rather do it later vs. now.

Again thank you for the insight; by nature I'm a take charge kinda person and it's really hard for me to step back and away from all this and to stop feeling the need to fix it. I keep trying to remind myself that I really don't have a dog in this fight.

CaveCanem's picture

No flaming here. I'm thankful I'm not being flamed! This has been very difficult to talk about even with close friends, and even then most of them have no idea this is happening.

This woman totally knew of me; my husband was very upfront that he was married and that he was not interested in any type of relationship from the very beginning. They only met up 4 times in the span of 2 months. Trust me that typing that really turned my stomach. It is a complete lose-lose situation and yes it is very sad. Poor, selfish decisions by BOTH of them.

There is no reason why the BM isn't working, she just doesn't want to. The unemployment problem isn't that bad where we live, and we actually looked up jobs for her because she complains how "poor" her child is being "forced" to be raised. She has blamed everyone and everything else for the outcome of all of this. So if this child is raised without, it is by her own doing. My husband is paying his part, and $1200 a month plus 25% of his profit sharing check doesn't leave her penniless. This is a combined income state now, so if she works his CS won't drop by a whole lot. At this point she is choosing to live off of the CS and welfare.

I don't expect her to tell the child the truth about where his dad is. I'm sure she will tell him what a lowlife deadbeat he is (because she has already done that--told that to an infant at court :? ) and make up lies about what happened.

Trust me, it brings me to tears to think of that poor child asking that question later on. There is no easy answer. Worse part, is when the child gets older he just has to do the math to figure out what happened...

CaveCanem's picture

Thank you furie. This is what my husband is saying. The only thing is we have no idea if the child is safe, etc. We were told by the last lawyer that he pretty much has zero rights, other than asking for visitation.

I fear the future resentment; this child showing up on our doorstep wondering why he didn't fight for him, why didn't he want him, etc. And while I really have no dog in this fight, it...bothers me. And it is incredibly sad. We are trying to work through this at marriage counseling. But I completely understand him wanting to spare us anymore emotional and financial heart ache too.

And trust me, he has learned his lesson. It's why I feel confident moving forward with him. And it's a very valuable lesson to tell our children later. They are both very young so we are not in a rush to explain the situation until the necessity arises.

CaveCanem's picture

stepaside, you made the hairs on my neck stand up. This is EXACTLY what we have been talking about. My husband has gotten a LOT of flack from family to put this child in our lives, but without thinking about the potential damage it will bring to our family. They want him to go for full custody, but that's 10's of thousands of dollars that we just don't have right now, for a conclusion that is not guaranteed. I hate to make it sound about money, but while we WERE doing quite well now money is a huge concern. I get angry when talking with others about this who say well then he is being a deadbeat because he's not actively involved with this child's life; however he is thinking along the exact lines that you are stepaside. And how is he a deadbeat at $1200 a month?!? This kid has a chance as long as the BM spends/uses the money as intended and wisely, and gets herself a job. This state now does the combined income method, which means that if she makes $35,000 a year the CS will be reduced by something ridiculous like $100 a month. In freaking sane.

For the amount of CS she is getting, I hate to say this but she better not come at us for more, although she already is. She wanted almost $400 a week but the courts awarded her $275 a week. That pays her bills and if she would just get off her ass and get a job, she could actually get off of public assistance (yea right) and the child can have a decent life. She was making $30,000 a year before, but the judge did NOT impute an income for her at all, left her income at ZERO and only counted my husband's. Thank goodness they didn't count my income because I make almost as much as my husband. At least they did count my kids first, and if we had future kids then they get counted and her CS gets adjusted minus the new hypothetical support. I guess that's the "best" they can do in situations like ours. Insane that he has to support 2 households!

My ultimate dream would be for BM to find her own man and he would adopt the child and they would all live happily ever after and we would NEVER hear from them again...but seeing as how the woman is nearly 40 and is surfing the web and hooking up with whoever will have her, I doubt this will happen. Besides, the CS is her income so I don't see her giving that up.

Thanks again stepaside. We have another marriage counseling session coming up and this will give me things to think about prior to it.

CaveCanem's picture

I forgot to mention I have an appt with a PI coming up soon, just an initial consultation to find out how much their services are because I have NO idea how much that costs. I'm sure it's not cheap.

workinthruthetoughstuff's picture

I will share with you my experience with the health insurance aspect of your question. My SD16 is under my policy. As soon as she moved to BM's last November, BM called the insurance company and WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS changed addresses, phone numbers and online account access. It was a mess to get undone. Make sure that you are in touch with your insurance company and let them know what to do in case she tries anything. Good Luck!

CaveCanem's picture

Thank you for the input! I was able to contact the insurance company, and they have not only red-flagged my account, they are going to send me information to password protect the account as well. My HR has also red-flagged my file as well, so that is also password protected in order to access, just in case this person tries to impersonate me over the phone.