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bcav's picture

Hi,

I wanted to reach out because I myself am not a mother. I have an extremely hard time with my partners ex-wife. I should give you some back story. My partner and I share custody with her on a 60-40 basis us getting the lateral. I can't call him my husband yet as she is dragging the divorce out. We share with three lovely boys. Her most recent act was after a week of having them for spring break she dropped them off at our home. The next day she phoned multiple times regarding a stuffed animal that the oldest boy(10) had forgotten in the car. He sometimes brings it to our home but not always as he is getting too old for it. She then decided she would drop it off. With multiple texts letting us know she had dropped it off. Am I aloud to be mad that she showed up at my home unannounced?

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bcav's picture

I appreciate this reply expect for number 2. They have been separated for 3 years. He has lived in a different house hold for 2. They are my children at heart as well. Thanks for the judgy answer though.

bcav's picture

That is a horrible experience. My mother treats me very poorly, her favorite is my sister in which she doesn't hide. My step mom is more of a mother than she could ever be, maybe that is why we disagree.

IslandGal's picture

Annie's right - why hasn't HE filed for divorce himself? 3 years is way too long IMHO. Annie's also correct in that you aren't the kids parents, they already have parents and you're not it. Best to start accepting this now before you start to experience the wrath of BM who will NOT appreciate this line of thinking at all.

As for showing up at your home unannounced - did she tell her hubby she was dropping the stuffed animal off? (and yes - he is still, actually, her hubby).

bcav's picture

He has filed. However, she is demanding 17 years alimony. They were in mediation last year in which he thought they had an agreement. Shes been through mediation and two different lawyers. He was trying to have everything settled before going to court as that can be very expensive. Im not sure where the thought of me being their parent came from exactly. I feel i do play an important role in their life, they come to me with all kinds of story, they seek me out to tell me things that are important to them.

She didnt say she was going to drop the stuffed animal off.

A piece of paper doesnt make a husband and wife.

IslandGal's picture

If he really wanted to divorce her - he'd have done it by now and to hell with the expense.. it's what people who really, really want to divorce do.

Thoughts of you being their parent came from this sentence..

"My partner and I share custody with her on a 60-40 basis us getting the lateral. I can't call him my husband yet as she is dragging the divorce out. We share with three lovely boys."

It should read "My partner shares custody with her..".

That piece of paper is a legal document recognised by the law and country recognizing that a couple have vowed to live together as man and wife..etc..etc.. so it's a pretty damn important "piece of paper".

(sorry ETA - when a couple - be it man/woman, man/man, woman/woman..vowed to live together as a married couple).

It may not be important to you - but it is extremely important to the rest of the world. Especially for those who marry, make vows, and sign it to solidify their unions. The divorce papers are equally as important..but I'm too hungry now to explain why (past my lunch time).

moeilijk's picture

Such a lovely response. You explained everything a stepparent needs to know about how the blended family dynamics work... or fails to work. And in such a kind and patient way. Should be required reading.

smomofone's picture

"Your BF needs to set boundaries with her, but he also needs to be accessible when reasonable. Randomly showing up and incessantly calling is unneeded, but ignoring her when she is trying to drop off something for her kid that was forgotten isn't the way to handle it either. IF you want to work with her and develop a blended co-parenting dynamic (which is possible but you probably won't find on this site), then you can't minimize BM's role. It sounds like she is present and active; she may do things differently in raising her kids, but that is her right. You either work WITH her through your BF or they parallel parent through respect. Or they go the high conflict route and have a CO as thick as War and Peace that outlines whether or not drop off can take place at home or a police station."

aFREAKINGmen!!!!

You don't know how long and how hard it was to get SO and his Family to understand this. SD's BM has her issues, I have my opinions on her lifestyle but really it is none of my business and my opinions are just that. But when I came along, SO and BM's relationship was a real shitty one(even though he lied and told me it was all perfect) Anyways, of course like any good partner I believed him 100%, gosh I could have written this OP's exact words(aside from the exwife and divorce part, SO and BM where never in a relationship) until I saw how he treated her and how MIL treated BM and how they both spoke about her with SD.

its true there are BM's that no matter how well the BD tries to work with her they will always be high conflict. But, for the most part when a relationship is over and no feelings are involved I do believe you can co-parent successfully. The key is setting boundaries from the start, a working parenting plan(visitation and such), and respect. Respect her as the mother of those children. You will never ever EVER be her. As shitty as a person or mother as you may believe she is, those children love her! Will most likely always love her(unless she is abusive or flat out rejects them, which doesn't seem to be the case here), and they will resent you or anyone who tries to come between that.

You can be there for these children, love them, care for them, do for them as much as you want, but if you are doing it in the hopes that they will love you more than their mom, it will only lead to resentment, heartache and problems for you and the kids.

I really like Rosalu's Lieutenant Dad way of seeing and doing things.

bcav's picture

This got blown way out of proportion as I am not technically married. I was looking for information on a bio moms interjection daily when we have the boys. I never push the stepmom thing on them, i have never even mentioned it to them. I completely understand I will never be their mother, but i get to be their step mom. I would never contradict my partners parenting techniques neither with their mothers(at least not in front of the boys). There are things i disagree with yes, can i change them no. I was looking for someone to chat with who was going through something similar.

Totalybogus's picture

becav, you don't have to explain yourself. Part of the reason "blending" is so difficult is because there are so many preconceived notions on how someone should live their lives. Its nobody's business how your household runs. If your partner supports your role in your stbsk's life, then you are one up. If you are truly a partnership with your guy, then anything he does or has is yours too, including custody. Of course, it isn't legal custody, but it is the way you guys run your own household.

As far as the animal... it really depends on how the kid felt about the animal. I know some kids, regardless of how old they are, may have something that comforts them. If your SK had a problem being at your house without it, I can understand his mom coming by to drop it off. I can also understand her dropping by just to drop it off.

You see for me, just because I share custody with my kids' father, doesn't mean I stop being a mom when I bring them to him. If they need something and I have it, I'm going to bring it. It is all part and parcel of living with a person who has children from a prior relationship.

You certainly don't have to interact with her if you don't want to. Simply sending the child to the door to get the animal is perfectly fine, or your partner could go and get it from her.

The constant texting would have annoyed me a bit though. I would have told her to bring it over so we could just move on.

bcav's picture

You are so wrong in that thinking. They love me now and will continue to as long as i give them reason t0. Just as i do my own step mommy.

sunshinex's picture

This is not good thinking though.... I'm a stepmom (married to my husband) and am basically the only mom my stepdaughter knows because BM is a deadbeat, but I am still VERY aware that SHE is their parent and at any point in time, my stepdaughter could decide to put her above me and very likely will because that's biology. She could turn against me, and it's likely she will, despite the fact that i'm the one raising and providing for her, not her mother, because again, that's biology. They won't love you unconditionally like they do their mother and father. They just won't.

You need to be aware of this and act accordingly. Don't get yourself into the trap of being MOTY because you're their stepmom. Just do the best you can and be aware that things don't always work out well for stepparents.

smomofone's picture

YUP. This was me exactly when I first came here close to 5 years ago. 6 months into me dating SO. I was told all these things and more and I was like damn what a bunch of bitches. I wanted to be validated in my feelings towards BM and all the crap that most of us here probably dealt with at the start of our relationships. 2 months later I was writing my "I ended my relationship blog"

5 years later Here I am, admitting how wrong and stupid I really was to think the way I did.

ESMOD's picture

Things can and do change! When I was first a SM I was sure that I could get along with the BM just fine and for a while we did. I had no interest in taking over her job, but was 100% supported in my home with regards to asking the kids to do things or reminding them to say thank you etc....

She actually made a point of telling me a couple of times that SHE was the mother etc.. I just let it slide, no problem.

The problems came as I was in the kid's lives longer and longer and I actually became a bit more of a parental type figure and to compound that, the kids had fewer issues with us and BM butted heads with her daughters a LOT. Oh.. and the money issues. I make a pretty good salary so we could afford to do things that BM and DH couldn't do before.. like we had vacation home and had horses etc... I think the more threatened and jealous she became, the worse things got.

One of our last real communications related to my YSD's school and my DH asked me to write a letter to them. Welll.. they showed the email to the BM and she went ballistic. Nothing was in there BAD.. just hated that I got involved in something to do with her child. I was writing the email on my DH's behalf because he did not have access to phone or email on his job and the child was in danger of being held back a year due to excessive absences that were in part due to her mother keeping her out of school to have fun. I told her if she wasn't such a bad mother.. this situation wouldn't have happened. Magically that got her to stop contacting me..lol.

So, we may think we have it all figured out.. but until you live the life, you won't know. Things can also change due to a million different reasons. It is good to keep in mind that not everyone's situation WILL turn out the same.. but rose colored glasses have a tendency to hide a multitude of sins.

smomofone's picture

Ain't this the truth! lol.

When I first came into the picture I wanted to meet up with BM so SHE was comfortable with me as SD's FSM. People here told me that she had no obligation to do so and that I was not her mother, oh because I also though and said, BM is such a bad example for SD and SD loves me already like a mom and blah blah blah. I roll my eyes at that now lol.

I think the last time I actually talked to BM directly was 2 years ago when she dropped her off at my office. I was getting off early for a camping trip we where taking so she agreed to leave her with me since SO was still at work. I remember Thinking how odd it was that BM was asking me if I noticed certain things about SD. Like her behavior at our house and the bed wetting issues SD was having at her house. I told her how SD behaved with us and how we where working with her to stop the bed wetting issues. That was all.

The first year was the tough one with BM until SO set boundaries (visitation issues).

Within the last 4 years there has been 2 times I really really really wanted to yell at BM. One was when SD was going into surgery. She was 4 and was scarred. SO took her in and BM just didn't really care to be there. I thought damn, if that was my kid I'd want to be there, no matter how small or how large the surgery is/was. SD woke up scarred and asked for both SO and BM. The second time was at SD's 5th birthday party. We've come to an agreement that we alternate birthdays. One year we'll do something and invite BM and give her extra invites for her family and the next BM will do something and invite us and some of SO's family. For her 5th birthday party, we told her about 2 months in advance what the plan was. She said she would be there and take her other children and some of her DH's children. She told SD as well up until the day of the party that she was coming and bringing the sibs. The day of the party she showed up 2 hours earlier with 2 of the kids. I was at home getting SD ready. My sis was actually at the park finishing up the set up when she showed up. Sis called me, I rushed SD out so she can be with her mom and sibs. We got there and BM had left. my sis said she told her she had a friends 21st bday to prepare for(apparantly she told my sis they where renting a party bus and they all had to take 9 hours to get ready) and couldn't wait any longer. SD was crushed. SO called BM to ask if she would come back at all and she said no just tell her I couldn't go. Anytime SD would ask is mom coming I or SO would try and distract her from the question on to something else. Which worked for the day. At night when she was getting ready for bed she told me "mom didn't come, but I don't know why" I just told her "its ok, we saved your siblings their goody bags you can take to them"

Did I say anything to BM nope, SO was livid because SD was hurt but he didn't say anything to BM about it. Now SD has more things going on with school and extra curricular activities and BM only shows up to about 10% of things. When SD comes to me and tells me about the events she will mention, "but my mom wasn't there" I usually just say things like "maybe she was working" But the last few events I did suggest to SO to speak to BM and let her know "hey, our child comments on the fact that you where not there, maybe explain to her why". He did tell her and now when SD says anything about her mom not being there, we just say "we know honey, but when you go back to her just talk to her about it"

ESMOD's picture

My Skids' BM was also an overpromising and underdelivering queen.

'when I get my tax refund we will go on shopping spree, go on vacation, go to theme park etc.. " never happened.

yolo222's picture

It will make a difference and maybe someday the kids will not think of her as a home wrecker. Look I get it the length of time they have been separated is long.. but they are not divorced. OPs BF is still married to another woman. I'm sorry but this is not the way healthy relationships start.. This is just my opinion. Which I'm entitled to. Whatever happened to good old fashion values and morals.. for many they don't exist anymore.

moeilijk's picture

Hmmm, I'm not sure I agree with your perception of the implied social contract of legal separation in Canada. In my experience dating in Canada in my 20s and early- to mid-30s, someone who said that they were legally separated had agreed to a separation from their spouse and were somewhere in that first year before a divorce could be granted.

I certainly never knew anyone who would say (or believe), "Hey, it's been less than a year since you were in a relationship, so it would immoral for me to date you."

While livng in Canada I never dated someone with kids or a lot of money, lol, so I don't know the circumstances that would drag out a divorce past the required year. Oh wait, I did date one guy with a kid... but his previous relationship was common-law.

moeilijk's picture

The reasoning behind the year of separation is to require the couples have the opportunity to work it out. If, within that year, the couple reconciles for a period of 90 days, or for different periods totalling 90 days, then if they still decide to separate, the clock on the year of separation starts again.

A separation agreement includes distributing property and often custody. While separated one partner is not responsible for debts the other party incurs. (Usually. It could happen that one party deliberately runs up a joint credit card which was supposed to have been paid off. It would be resolved in the courts and the party spending would have to pay up. But the credit card company would come after whoever they could find - usually the one who got hosed by Spendy McSpenderson.)

This doesn't seem to be the OP's situation, but if you had no kids and not much in the way of assets, or were able to amicably split debts and assets, you wouldn't even need a separation agreement. When you file for divorce you just both agree to file jointly for divorce and that's that. The application for divorce lists a bunch of things that the applicants can ask the court to decide, but other than the divorce itself the court may not need to intervene(child/spousal support, access to children, access to family home, etc).

yolo222's picture

It is a legal AND a moral issue. They are still MARRIED people. FACT..

There is no judgement. Here are the facts.. These two are still married. The OP is dating a married man. When a married person strays its a moral issue.

moeilijk's picture

I would say it's important to follow the laws of the country you're in. But it's also important to do what you think is right. And everyone is entitled to pursue happiness.

If I lived in a country that had made my religion illegal, I would still practice it. I would be discreet, but I would break that law.

A person may be married for decades and never cohabitate with a legal spouse for many reasons - I'm thinking of Spencer Tracy, for example. I would hesitate to say that every person breaking any law ever is acting immorally, because laws change.

Morals, for me, are about values that supercede laws. You can legislate until the cows come home, but a law doesn't make people tell the truth, prevent theft, prevent abuse or murder etc etc. A person who got married and then wished to end the marriage but is unable to do so legally, for whatever reason, is only 'straying' if any party have any reason to believe the marriage is viable. If both parties agreed several years ago that the relationship is over, I just can't see beginning a new relationship as abusing the trust of the former partner.

However, I certainly understand your viewpoint. I tend to be a black-and-white thinker on the bigger issues myself.

bcav's picture

This is what truly disappoints. This has become not about the child but about my partner and I. I ask a reasonable question and in over 30 responses no one could answer. We should try and learn more about others situations before judging. I will take all of your input into advisement, but i really do believe i am not trying to be confrontational but rather trying to find someone to vent with. If i wanted that i would have continued arguing with myself lol.

bcav's picture

As noted above, there are no time limits to a separation in Canada. However, if you are using separation for grounds for a divorce, then you must be separated from your spouse for a minimum of one full year. You can begin the application process for divorce the day that you are separate, but the courts will not grant you a divorce until the full year has passed. And if any of you have actually been divorced with children you know how long it takes.

CLove's picture

Hola. I had a similar sitch a month ago - BM (high-conflict, crazy, mean, etc...) decided that during drop off in the early am of kidling on her day (dad then takes her to school, long story, read my other blogs), whereby BM couldn't find parking, or something, was running late, and SO's phone was off.

She went ballistic on BOTH of us, even though I have nothing to do with custodial schedule/issues. She actually CROSSED THE THRESHOLD and yelled and cursed at us.

As it is your home, in partnership with SO, you MUST set boundaries with her.

The BM in my life, also likes to text, IMHO inappropriately, and overly much. I spoke to my SO about it, and it was really up to HIM to take care of it. YOU cannot set these boundaries with BM, SO MUST do this.

This is my advice.

notsobad's picture

I understand being separated but not divorced. My divorce took years and years, there was a company and financial issues to sort out.

I didn't read all the replies because some on here are very judgmental about being fully divorced before you even date anyone. They tend to stick on that point and refuse to see your relationship or any problem within it as valid.

Yes, you can be upset that BM shows up unannounced but in this case she called and left texts. So I wouldn't say she was unannounced but she was intruding on your BFs time with his kids.

It is something that he's going to have to work out with her. He's going to have to set boundaries and enforce them.

moeilijk's picture

This is about boundaries. I think what you're looking for is recognition in some way of your role in your family life from your partner's ex. That is unlikely to ever happen, certainly not in a positive way.

First, take a moment to consider what your expectations of the ex are. I suspect you want her to behave like an aunt or neighbour of the children, where ofc she would call ahead, ask permission, and not feel that her views on what the children need is terribly vital to their growth. But she's their mom and she matters a great deal.

That being said, your BF could take this as an opportunity to teach his kids about personal responsibility, and share that with the ex. "Ex, Bobby is getting older now, and I'd like for us to help him become more responsible. I'm making a list of things that he needs to remember to bring with him when we exchange custody. I'll send it with him, and you can add what you think is necessary. One of us can to sit down with him to add anything he wants to remember. Then we can start reminding him to check his list, and remind him that anything forgotten will have to wait until the next exchange."

If your BF and the ex are very contentious that won't work, but BF can do it anyway with his kids. But he does need to then respond to the ex, "Bobby's OK without xyz until the next exchange, but if you're worried just leave it on the front porch and I'll take care of it."

And then he holds the item until the next exchange, and gives it to the kid with a reminder to check his list.

Ultimately, the role you can play is to leave the communication about the kids to your BF and the ex. It's a very difficult boundary to respect, because you feel affected by the behaviour of a third party. But not respecting that boundary leads only to increasing and unresolved stress for you.

Acratopotes's picture

bcav - you want positive..... there's no positive in being a step parent, sorry I've been in this path for years.

You want advice, think about this...

These are not your children and they never will be, they will turn on you with the flick of a switch.
BM has all the power, blood is thicker then water, these boys are still very young, belief me when they are 13+ hell will start.
BM will tell them you destroyed her marriage and stole Daddy from them.

Best you can do is to disengage from the BM, she has no reason talking to you or contacting you, simply block her, you where never involved with her, this will make your life much much easier in the future.
Never discipline or parent the boys, leave that all up to BF.... you only talk to him if kids does something upsetting like disrespecting you.... for the rest of it... just be a friendly Aunt and female role model for them,

Set your expectations very low, it will make the disappointment less, teach BF to set boundaries with BM, his time his decisions, her time her decisions. BM can only call certain times and not bombard BF with text messages and calls.
BF will learn to tell BM - butt out of my life, just as you have to learn to tell the boys - Ask your Dad...

Start working on your BF to stop entertaining BM's requests, and take a stand.... keep all your income separately, never do joint accounts, you will understand in 5 years time why we said this. BM will take him for everything and you will end up supporting your BF, his kids and his ex wife, you will become a bitter SM... it's reality...

If you are truly invested in this guy, do the following before you consider marriage, pre-nub, what's yours will be yours only, separate finances at all times, kids have to launch at 19,boundaries with BM, BF sort his divorce out as soon as possible, discuss the fact about more children and how many, get it cleared before taking the ring, house rules and enforcement, kids chores, teaching respect, combined property, testaments, life insurance beneficiaries.... you have to clear all off this before marriage Hon.

Here's some SM's who's BF's promised them yes own kids one day and now that the day is here, the men refuse to have anymore children, cause the ex wives are bleeding them dry....

Step parenting is not an easy path to take... but the choice is yours, and think about what other SM's tell you on this topic, some of us have been doing it for years, we have posters in their 70's on this site and you can learn a great deal from them...step hell never ends..... not even when the children are adults

ESMOD's picture

I will try to give you some of my perspective on things.

Saying you "share custody" struck a nerve here in part because many of the posters are ALSO Biomoms and would resent a SM that was trying to exert some parental role over their children. So in fact.. these children live with you and DP for 40% of the time and you most likely do quite a bit of the day to day care for them but you don't have custody, their father does.

I am going to probably have a little more leeway on the "not yet divorced" thing. When I separated from my DH (no kids between us)... neither of us rushed out to file for divorce. Why? Maybe we were both hoping the other would spring for the paperwork? Neither of us was going into a new relationship where we wanted to get married...We had just moved across the country and it with all that going on, we didn't prioritize it. I think it was maybe 3-4 years before I finally went ahead and found a lawyer and went through the process and paid for it myself. We had a good separation agreement, and had already divided all assets and separated ourselves physically and financially and both led "single" lives from the point of separation forward.

I understand in some states, having a relationship while still technically married (as I was) can impact divorce proceedings and results, but in my case it didn't make a difference.

My DH had been separated from his wife for about 3 years when we met... but had not finalized the divorce as his EX was refusing to sign and agree on final paperwork. They also had a separation agreement and were both living separate lives. The ex actually had a live in BF when I met my DH. So, in this case... there is NO WAY I could be considered a "home wrecker"... there was no home to wreck.

After a year or so of us dating, my DH finally got her to sign the paperwork (with a nice monetary bribe) and their divorce went forward without a hitch.

Now on to the daily meddling of the EX. You should certainly be able to have boundaries, but I don't see it as a big deal if the lady dropped of a stuffed animal for her kids. I also don't have a problem with a parent wanting to talk with their kid daily by phone/skype as long as it isn't a major interference on the parent who is having custody.

My advice would be to let your DH deal with her. If she pesters with Texts.. or calls, he should set boundaries. Then again, at this juncture as someone else pointed out... not making a lot of waves with her may help move the divorce proceedings along.

I know it's frustrating to have to deal with this 3rd adult in your life. I also had no kids and had my DH's "nightmare EX" to deal with at times. The way I handled it was that I disengaged from HER but not the kids. I just pretty much ignored her to the extent I possibly could because I had NO obligation to her whatsoever. I gave her no power in my life.

ESMOD's picture

I do think this potentially gives the EX more of an upper hand since she knows he wants it settled sooner rather than later and will agree more to her terms.

bcav's picture

Unfortunately there is no reasoning with her. I do not have any contact with her. That is strictly dads territory, he does share with me when she does, as we do have a healthy communicative relationship. He's upset she showed up to as it disrupts the dynamic at our home.

Jlbfinch's picture

If she called multiple times I assume she left a voicemail. Why not just hand the phone to the kid and say, "here call your mom, she wants to talk to you." Then the kid could tell his mom if he really needed the item or not.

BSgoinon's picture

Tough crowd.

I am going to skip past the semantics of divorce and custody and who the kids belong to and just say this:

Your SO needs to stop answering the phone when she calls. The more he gives in to her needy behavior, the more she will do it, likely just to piss you off. He can let the calls go to VM, if it's important then he can call her back.

I would be FURIOUS if BM showed up to my house unannounced. Yes, you have every right to be mad about that. Next time your SO is in mediation or court, he needs to have clear cut guidelines pertaining to this placed in the court order.

BSgoinon's picture

It could go both ways. I don't advise anyone to take something like this to court. I would just stop giving in to her constant calls. I agree with whichever poster said that dad should have sent a simple "he doesn't need the stuffed animal" text and been done with it. But that is my point, he has to stop jumping at her every request. There is no need for it. Dh only responds as much as he NEEDS to. Anything else he ignores. It has worked well, for us.

bcav's picture

I appreciate all of the input on this. I now know I need to be very careful as to how I word things as it obviously stems lots of issues when I call it our time. I have never had contact with this woman nor will I. If we were both mature adults then we would be able to have conversations about this. I know we will never be able to which makes me sad.