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Sigh's picture

Hi…I read here mostly and have posted a time or two. This is going to be really long. However, I believe to lay it all out so that you all understand what I’m dealing with.
I need some advice re: Thanksgiving…

Back-story…am with my S/O close to 9 years now. He has 3 adult toddlers…SD33 (skank), SD29 (recovering drug addict and alcoholic…maybe?) and SS25 who lives with us (high function Asperger’s).
I have to BS’s 33 & 28 (attorney and business owner… respectively) I also have 2 grands 11 & 2 months).

Skids bio (my perception).
SD33 – a dependent young woman who relies on others to take care of her mostly men. She has been unemployed for the last 3 years. Currently, living with some guy who is just as much a looser as she is. He also happens to be the best friend of her husband that she separated from. No plans to divorce as it’s too expensive. She is her mother’s daughter …lazy trailer trash who thinks living on the arm is normal and always looking for ways to scam the system. When not scamming the system she is playing preying on others with her woe is me stories and tears.

SD29 – currently living out of state in a sober living community. She and I were very close until I realized that she was stealing from me (jewelry & cash) and everyone else around us to support her habit. Including her grand-parents who blamed me (another story). She has made her amends to me but I am not sure that I buy it. I loved her and she lied to me and about me. I guess somewhere in my heart I still care about her. I am however, very wary of her. She seems to be trying to make a go of it. I wish her the best…but…

SS25 – He was living with his mother for the 1st half of mine & SO’s relationship. He came to us about 3 years ago and has made more progress in that short period of time then he made in his whole life. He and I get along well for the most part. It is difficult for me to be “all-in” with him. Unfortunately, his 2 sisters have destroyed me and my ability to be open to a relationship with any of SO’s adult-toddlers.

SD29 is coming home for T-day…the first time she is back in the home since…well, since she was caught with her hands in the cookie jar…so to speak. I have seen her 2 or 3 times since but very briefly. We have spoken on the phone. I do truly believe that she is remorseful of the damage she did to our relationship…doesn’t mean I trust her. She is bringing her boyfriend who seems like a nice enough young man who got caught up in drugs. He is currently sober and going to school for his certification as a counselor.

Of course now SS33 wants to come for T-day dinner…

Wouldn’t be a problem if she hadn’t started a war the last time she came for T-day 3 years ago. I would suck it up for my SO…However…she laughed during grace…was texting on her phone during dinner…proceeded to eat with her hands like an animal…not to mention all the nasty and mean spirited crap that came out of mouth prior to sitting down at the dinner table. Mean…mean…mean…she was snickering over the fact that her boss’s wife just suffered her 5th miscarriage…verbatim: “why should that b88tch have a kid…I need a raise first”...said prior to sitting down to dinner. Needless, to say I lost my shit…I think rightfully so.

By the time the texting at dinner started I was pissed. I asked her to put the phone down to which she replied…” it’s my phone” …with a spoiled rotten smirk. Full well knowing that her Dad would not support me in front of the rest of his family. Heaven forbid he took my back and pissed off his kid.
I replied “might be…but this is my house and I pay the bills…my rules…we don’t laugh through grace…nor do we text at the dinner table or eat with our hands like animals. I didn’t mention what she said about her bosses’ wife…until later.

She got up from the table…and stomped on her stiletto’s out the door and proceeded to go on Facebook and say “that she would rather spend the day with her alcoholic mother then a minute of her time with a b88tch who’s food tasted like pig slop” She blocked me YAY…but her Dad as well. She also swore that she would never step foot in our house again…lasted about 8 months…shucks!
SO is the typical Disney Dad that I have read about here so often. This incident almost caused us to break-up. After dealing with SD29’s lying and stealing and having SS25 moving in with here… I really felt like I was done. I didn’t and still don’t believe that he has my back 110%...for me that is a huge issue!!!

There is so much more but…current dilemma.

Both of my son’s while they like SO for the most part. They are not happy with the way his daughters have treated me.

My BS28 wants to join us for T-day with his wife and new baby…kind of surprised since his wife is pretty enmeshed with her family but I am thrilled that they want to come.
I have no fear of my son not knowing how to act…but I do have some concerns re: my DIL who for the most part is a COD with a princess entitlement. She and I do not see eye to eye. I know that she is looking for any excuse to not be a part of my biological family. Any drama caused by SO’s kids and I am sure there will be. It will give her ammunition to be used against us.

I do not get to see my son or GD often…as I said she is enmeshed with her family and my son is puy$$y whipped. Any drama will lend support to her cause.

Most important is that I do not want my GD to be around the crap either.

I do not want to cook for SD33!!!

My SO said that he will do all the cooking.

Doesn’t matter…I still do not want to be around all of them!
I have thought of a variety of ways to handle this…go to a restaurant…use my ex’s kitchen (he won’t be there)…or just tell my son and his family to make other plans.

Now here is the thing…

While this might be SD’s childhood home…she nor her mother have lived here for going on 12 years. I clean the toilets! I contribute 50% to the upkeep of this house.

I do not want to be forced out of my home because of her…if I go she wins! On the other hand; I do not want my son and his family exposed to any crap…as I said I have a very tenuous relationship with my DIL at best.

What would you do?

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Exjuliemccoy's picture

I think I'd schedule two events on separate days, or invite one set for dessert only. I wouldn't inflict your stepcretins on your son and his family.

I also feel strongly that pot luck is the way to go, particularly with problematic adult kids or skids. At their ages, all of them should be happy to contribute to the meal, and it conveys the message that freeloading is not acceptable.

Disneyfan's picture

You really expect that man to tell his daughter she isn't welcomed in his home while rolling out the welcome mat for his stepkid and his family?????

If anything, he will say it's all or nothing.

The man shouldn't have to turn his daughter away because the OP's DIL is looking for excuses to keep her family away and because her son can't/stand up to his wife.

The only way to avoid hurt feelings all around is for everyone to simply go out to dinner or to have two Thanksgivings.

Disneyfan's picture

I have a hard time believing that a parent would turn his/her kid away, while welcoming and stepkid with open arms.

I can't imagine my son ever acting like the OP's SD. If he did, I would give him hell. However, under no circumstance would I ever tell my son he can't come to my home, then turn around and host a stepkid.

I don't blame the OP one bit for not wanting the SD there, but expecting her husband to be all in is a bit much.

notasm3's picture

Tell your DH to take his word bless crotch droppings to McDonald's for lunch and to not come back with them.

Sigh's picture

Thank you both for your replies...

Exjuliemccoy...I truly don't mind the cooking. In fact I enjoy cooking for those that appreciate it.

SD29 has already suggested that she would be in charge of the apps...go for it!!!

I thought about doing 2 separate dates...however, that would mean my son would be a$$ed on the day...since SD29 and her boyfriend will be staying here for the long weekend.

Babybugged...I did speak with my SO last night or tried anyway. He changed the subject when it got to real.

You are right though...if I allow it...it continues.

Believe it or not but for the most part I am disengaged. SO and SD33 do their thing on the side. I'm cool with that as long as I don't have to see her. But since SD29 is here for the first time in years...it's important for him. He hasn't had his kids all together in same room in about 10 years.

I feel selfish...but on the other hand am tired of stuffing my feelings.

Exjuliemccoy's picture

I don't mind cooking either; it's easier in the long run to just do it myself, BUT,

If you're trying to change an existing dynamic, particularly when dealing with entitlement, the message is more important than the meal itself. You are not a servant. It's not your job to cater to these adults, even if their parents do. Having everyone contribute puts all on adult footing.

Enabling begats entitlement, and it's unfair for us to complain about entitled skids when we help fuel that behaviour. These cretins aren't going to wake up one day and realize it's important to contribute and reciprocate. It's up to you to have expectations of behavior, even if it's just a holiday meal.

Sigh's picture

I guess that's the frustration...I can't change an existing dynamic. Someplace in the corner of my mind I think that's what I've been trying to do...at least in the past. Not so much anymore...other then this T-day coming up, I really haven't given a flying fig...on the surface at least.

Maybe, down deep I still have visions of the Brady Bunch...ughg.

Then I wake up and realize the reality.

Sigh's picture

HRNYC...worship my sons? not at all. If I worshipped them I never would have said my son was pu$$y whipped...lol. Worship for me at least implies perfection...my son's are far from it. Thank goodness!

I think it is more of an observation on girls that are products of Disney parents. As luck would have it or not my DIL one.

Perhaps you would have not said MY house...but I did. I was told by my DH that it is.

I don't believe any of his kids have ever scrubbed a toilet here.

Financially, I have contributed more for the day to day ordinary maintenance...never mind improvements...then the 3 of them plus their mother ever did.

I won't even get into rebuilding it after Sandy.

And just for clarification it's a she not a him...and I never said that I was kicking anyone out. I asked what should I do? leave or cook for my son's family elsewhere.

So yeah...it's my house.

ChiefGrownup's picture

Can you simply say to him, "I would like to enjoy my holiday. Will you help me?" Then ask him for ideas on how to make that happen. If you are open-ended when you say this, you have created the dynamic that the two of you are a team working toward the same goal. Maybe he will run with that and actually protect you as he should. Could happen.

Perhaps another approach would be to print out the Facebook insults from last time. Fold the corner or otherwise obscure the face and name of who posted it. Show it to DH and say something like, "what would you do, dh? Do you think that host/ess should invite this person back?" After he has expressed the opinion, "why would they?!?!!" show him who wrote it.

Or just show it to him complete to begin with and say, "DH, she is not happy here. Why would she even want to come back? Let's not make her miserable again."

Good luck, sounds horrible.

notasm3's picture

No way I would allow a trashy POS in my home. DNA be damned. I would not host my own mother if she'd ever acted like that.

I told DH that ss30 could not come for Christmas last year. All the other guests were DH's family. I knew they didn't want that trash at the table. DH pouted for a day or two but he got over it.

Disneyfan's picture

THIS

That DIL is a bigger problem than the SD. The DIL has the power to use the grand baby as a pawn because the OP's son won't man up.

twoviewpoints's picture

So it's SD33 that's really the potential issue (crude, rude unpredictable behavior)? SD29 is coming for whole weekend and the SS lives with you. You might consider Thanksgiving dinner with SD29 and SS along with your BS33 with their guest/family and on Friday or Saturday evening have DH host all three of his kids. It'd be like a family reunion dinner for his kids and him.

It gives his kids a chance to visit and DH a chance to have all his kids in his home. It doesn't spoil Thanksgiving for you or your son. If you tire of his kids, you an be free to run out to a movie to escape (or go take a nice long bath and read in your bedroom). DH will do the work for his 'reunion' and you'll give it a try to socialize and participate... if SD33 starts in, you can excuse yourself.

It's a win-win for both DH and you.

Acratopotes's picture

I see no problem with all the children being there, DH doing the cooking.... sounds like a good time...

You know this is going to happen, you know how the day will be, you better start stocking up on wine and xanax now...
You can sit with your children talking and ignoring the skids, they can be with DH and iterating him.

I would not 2 do parties, the more people the better... hell invite more family members over... the more people the less you have to deal with the brats..

Sigh's picture

It was poor manners on my part. I admit it...I lost my patience.

I'm human.

My mom always said that I needed to better learn how to "smile sweetly and nod my head politely".

Willow2010's picture

I was pissed. I asked her to put the phone down to which she replied…” it’s my phone” …with a spoiled rotten smirk. Full well knowing that her Dad would not support me in front of the rest of his family. Heaven forbid he took my back and pissed off his kid.
I replied “might be…but this is my house and I pay the bills…my rules…we don’t laugh through grace…nor do we text at the dinner table or eat with our hands like animals
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Uh oh. You really have to own the fact that all of this drama probably would not have started if you had not called out skid at the thanksgiving day table in front of her whole family. What was your expected result by doing that? In my opinion, I would not have expected any other result than the one you received.

Your SD sounds like a horrible person. Really horrible. And while texting at the table is rude, it was really not your concern at the moment. Especially since she is 33 years old. I think I would rather have her engaged in her phone than with the people at the table. And everyone could see that she was eating with her hands so why point it out. You made yourself look petty when you pointed it out.

I would suggest to try it again and let her be an ass and you don’t say a word. It makes her and DH look bad if she is texting on the phone or eating with her hands. Not you.

And yes you will get advice to not let her back in your house and to be a hard ass. Do you really think that will work? These are still your DHs children that he loves. No matter how awful that are. I would suck it up once a year for my DH.

Good luck…it sounds like a terrible situation.

Sigh's picture

Your right Willow...in retrospect I shouldn't have said anything to her at the table. I couldn't help myself. But, honestly if it was my own kid I would have reacted the same.

She stomped in the house with a nasty attitude. What she said about her bosses wife was just so vile and mean. She set the tone for the rest of the day.

When she acted the way she did at dinner...well, I admit it...I lost my patience. I should know better...I do know better. But she just pushed my last nerve.

Her table manners aside...she is a nasty insecure little girl who enjoys stirring the $hit and creating drama and I fell right into it didn't I?

I would never tell my SO that his kid/s are not allowed in the house.

Sigh's picture

Wow...thanks for all your replies.

Again...for clarification...I never asked my SO to not invite his daughter. I never even suggested that as an option.

It's his daughter...I get it!

I don't like her. I may think she is a piece of used up trailer trash. But it is still his daughter.

My question was what do I do?

Do I stay home or go elsewhere?

Willow2010's picture

Some very nice people live in trailers. Please don't use that slang and beat down some of our members who reside in trailers.
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Please tell me you are joking?! You never struck me as the type to get offended over stupid stuff. It is just an expression. No need for anyone to get butt hurt over it.

Disneyfan's picture

It's not so stupid when the expression hits close to home. There ae plenty of negative expression out there about black women. If someone posted one here, I would find it offensive.

Willow2010's picture

I would suggest to try it again and let her be an ass and you don’t say a word. It makes her and DH look bad if she is texting on the phone or eating with her hands. Not you.
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This was my suggestion. Stay home.

Sigh's picture

Thank you Willow...I appreciate your perspective.

I replied above. I'm still getting used to this format.

ESMOD's picture

I would have your DH go out to eat with his kids. You go out to eat with your kids. No one has to cook. The kids don't have to mingle. No one is "winning".

By the way, I will compare the desire to hold your ground in "your home" to a road biker holding his line on a narrow back country road. Yes, he has every right to legally ride his bicycle on that road. Yes, the law is on his side BUT when he gets clipped by the dump truck and is killed, it is cold comfort to him that he was "right". Sometimes, the best thing to do is to just absent yourself from a situation. Sure, you shouldn't have to leave your home but your DH also has an equal right to host his family members in that home. If they make you crazy, I would not be there when they are.

In this case, you KNOW the OSD is likely to act up and try to ruin things. If you do agree to a joint Tday then I would do it in public where she might be less likely to act the ass.