Measles outbreak...

So while browsing the interwebs I came across a site that is claiming that the measles outbreak is a conspiracy so that the gov't can force people to vaccinate their kiddos.

What are your thoughts on this? Do you vaccinate? Why/why not?

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Correlation and causation are

Correlation and causation are not the same thing.

As a BM of a child with a

As a BM of a child with a disease that causes immuno suppression:

If she gets the measles I will hunt down the parents of ANY uninnoculated person that has been around her and beat the ever loving hell out of them.

If a parent wants to excercise the RIGHT to not give their child life saving immunizations... they should at least be courteous enough to keep that child the hell out of public so it is not a health hazard to anyone else.

Yeah, its a bit of a hot button for me.

THIS If a parent makes the

THIS

If a parent makes the choice not have his/her kid immunized, then their kids should not be allowed to enroll in school, day care, sports....

Exactly!

Me too...Late husband was

Me too...Late husband was immunosuppressed. I would annihilate someone that would put my family at risk. If you don't want to do it, fine, stay out of public places.

The daycare in IL is just sad. Those babies are not immunized with the MMR yet, so this is just cruel. It was a sibling that brought it in.

Yes, and so does/did everyone

Yes, and so does/did everyone I know.

That is not a reliable

That is not a reliable source. Try again.

The only reason anyone thinks

The only reason anyone thinks the two are connected are because a falsified study and an actress said so, otherwise, no one (outside of the scientific community) would have considered it.

You could be right about that

You could be right about that Dtzy, but I sort of hope you aren't. I don't think it's entirely right that people be able to sue parents for not vaccinating, but parents CAN'T sue if anything (NOT AUTISM, FOR GODS SAKE) goes wrong with the vaccines. If we're going to open things for lawsuits, I think it has to cut both ways, you know?

"However, there are many

"However, there are many people who have reason to suspect that their child's vaccinations causes autism or some other complication. I don't think there is any reason to mock them or act as if they are self centered or stupid. "

No, they most emphatically do NOT have "reason to suspect" any such idiotic thing. Not ONE of those people has run their own clinical trial or study. They are relying entirely on others. And even a CURSORY bit of research shows that EVERY reliable study shows NO LINK between autism and vaccines. It requires not just stupidity but WILLFUL stupidity to believe any such thing and claim there is "reason".

Bullshit! The anti vaxxers

Bullshit! The anti vaxxers are mostly found in affluent, welll educated neighborhoods. In my state they are often parents of children with disabilities. They feel that enormous damage has been done to their children already. Go tell them that the evidence is anecdotal. Children who develop seizures after being vaccinated make a very good case for deviating from the prescribed schedule.

Autism diagnosis has been

Autism diagnosis has been fatal plenty of times. Fatal to the parents' marriage, fatal to their retirement savings, fatal to their dreams and hopes, fatal to the siblings' chances of having a happy childhood.

In a very real sense it has also been fatal to those kids with autism whose mothers jumped off a bridge with them, or sent them to a public school in a large city where the kid wandered off - google Avonte Oquendo - or to those many kids with autism who drowned.

Look here http://nationalautismassociation.org/resources/autism-safety-facts/

...In 2008, Danish researchers found that the mortality risk among the autism population is twice as high as the general population.

Who is ignorant now?

Amen to this Ladyface!

Frustrating...What no one

Frustrating...What no one talks about is that the MMR vaccine can be split up further than the three shots which if you are concerned you can ask your doc to do. Some will, some won't. Most parents won't do it, because it requires more office visits.

Do you have proof that it can

Do you have proof that it can be done? It used to be, and when my first son was born, I wanted to do this. When looking into it after talking to my pediatrician about it, the drug manufacturer stopped making the separate vaccines. So as far as I know, the MMR must be taken as a combo.

I was told this was still

I was told this was still available and it has to do with the doctor and what they want.

I saw that, that was great!

I saw that, that was great! Have you seen this one? It's on tumblr -

Guys, I wanted to let you know about a personal decision I recently made. I don’t really feel like discussing it, but I want to put my position out there. Please be respectful. This is a really long post, but please read the whole thing.

I’m taking the brakes off my car. This isn’t a rash decision, so please listen up.

A few weeks ago I saw a car accident – two people went through an intersection at the same time. Both slammed on their brakes at the same time and collided. Fortunately no one was seriously injured.

But then it occurred to me – if they had just gone through the intersection, they wouldn’t have collided. The brakes CAUSED the accident!

So, I decided to do my own research and what I found was *staggering*: Hundreds of people every year are seriously injured by unnecessary braking. One time, I was driving in the snow and I just lightly tapped by brakes and it caused my car to COMPLETELY LOSE CONTROL. My brakes could have very easily gotten me killed. Even more astoundingly is how often brake pads will warp and distort rotors, causing bumpy rides and squeaky wheels.

And you know what? I also found that decades ago brakes weren’t even used! People would control their vehicle’s speed with downshifting and engine braking. Maybe it’s just coincidence, but back when engine braking was used there were almost no automotive fatalities. There were NEVER brake caused car accidents.

After doing some more digging, I found a nefarious plot – Mechanics: The very people who we trust to work on and care for our cars – get PAID to install and change brakes! You might THINK they care about our safety, or our cars – but they’re just in it for the $49.99 brake pad installations.

So I talked to my Mechanic about taking the brakes off my car and I was disgusted by how poorly he treated me. He accused me of being ignorant, when I was the one that looked up how much rotational torque brakes can put on your rotors. He didn’t even know how much torque a rotor can take before being warped!!! He said “rotors are designed to be compressed, that it isn’t actually a problem” just completely dismissing me.

Then he had the NERVE to say that my personal choice had consequences, that I would affect everyone around me. Well I’ve had it with him, I’m looking for a new mechanic. The problem is that so many mechanics are bought and paid by the automotive industry that ALL of them are insistent about my car having brakes. Most of them won’t even look at my car for other reasons, saying that a brakeless car could cause damage to their shop and other cars. What a bunch of bullshit, they just don’t like those who believe in alternative braking techniques.

Now of course big government is getting involved, saying that I *MUST* have brakes. That this isn’t just about me, and that I could hurt people. What happened to personal freedom? What happened to liberty?

So all I’m saying is, do your research. Don’t just listen to the NTSB and big automotive. I made a personal decision for my family, we just said no to brakes. We’ll be using natural remedies like Gravity, and putting our feet on the ground to stop. After all, if that was good enough for me when I was on my bike as a kid, it’s good enough for my children in my car.
- See more at: http://avwos.thespudd.com/im-an-anti-braker-gravity-is-all-i-need/#sthas...

Brilliant! LMFAO

I'm all for vaccinations! In

I'm all for vaccinations! In our state and child cannot attend school unless they have had their vaccs. And it's just good common sense to do it.

I vaccinate. My stepsons have

I vaccinate. My stepsons have immune issues and vaccines don't always work for them. My little boy has autism and it's so insulting to think that people would risk their children dying and risk bringing back these awful diseases to avoid the slight possibility that the fraudulent doctor who first made this claim might be right. I would choose my bright, happy, loving boy over a dead child every time. He showed symptoms long before his shots and never had any sort of reaction. There is no link and it's been proven by credible studies again and again. I have a newborn baby girl who will be getting her vaccines as well.

Actually, it's 1 in 68 right

Actually, it's 1 in 68 right now, 1 in 40 boys. I believe these dramatic, fear inducing stats about how fast it is rising is simply the ever widening spectrum and how much more it is diagnosed now. Autism was relatively unknown not long ago and it was only the severe cases that were diagnosed. The rest of the kids were the "quirky" ones at school. I don't mock people that are afraid. Of course, nobody would want their child to have autism if it could be prevented. I don't think not vaccinating is the answer though.

In my state 1 in 28 boys has

In my state 1 in 28 boys has autism. One out of every twenty eight. In my neck of the woods there are a dozen to two dozen autism programs within 10 mile radius. Alll are bursting at the seams - one next door to me, an excellent public program where tuition is 50K per year, cheap by local standards, is moving to another location because it cannot accommodate all the kids it needs to serve. They are pretty impaired kids... I am talking self contained programs that do ABA. Over diagnosed? In my experience it is under diagnosed- I see kids who are being diagnosed pretty late, 4-5th grade.

I vaccinate, because I

I vaccinate, because I believe in science and protection against diseases that science has worked to rid our society of over hysteria.

My question is this to you

My question is this to you Tog - Do you allow your children to be around your brother's kids. Because if I found out my nieces or nephews weren't, they would not be around me or my kids again.

You accept the consequences of your actions.

They did indicate that

They did indicate that patient zero on one of the news sources was an American.

People who do not vaccinate

People who do not vaccinate their children against common diseases are no different than someone with the HIV virus who goes around having unprotected sex.

Both are spreading preventable diseases.

I vaccinate. Not so much

I vaccinate. Not so much "for society" (good for them if they get a side benefit) but because I don't want to risk MY child's health and well being. Have you seen the Penn and Teller video showing the risks of "autism" (even assuming Wakefield didn't falsify) versus the risks of death from measles, mumps, rubella, etc? Spot. On. People are really, really bad at assessing risk though, and the anit-vaxxers prove that. (Like people who were terrified of Ebola but refused to get a flu shot. Despite the fact that in the US, you are WAY more likely to die of flu in any given year than Ebola.)

I have to say I don't support government *requiring* vaccines though. Mostly because I do not support government interference in private lives. What I DO support though is the doctor's who are "firing" patients who won't vaccinate. I wish more doctors would do that. I support the requirement that ONLY vaccinated kids be in public school - you want to not vaccinate, you have to homeschool. That's the natural consequence of your choices, and I despise the whining that that wouldn't be "fair" (which they really means "wouldn't be convenient for ME as a parent"). I would support companies (like Disney) requiring proof of vaccination before allowing admittance. (I doubt that'll happen, but more because of 1-HIPPA and 2-How do to that in a cost effective manner.)

BLASPHEMY Sending a little

BLASPHEMY

Sending a little pixie dust your way. LOL

I vaccinate my son. I

I vaccinate my son. I totally believe in the science and just wish everyone did. I think a lot of people, especially young babies, are being put at risk. A lot of the anti-vaccers are young and don't realize how horrible some of these diseases are.

Agree with tog on the flu shot. I know a lot of people don't believe it works. If they took the time to research that the flu shot aims at particular strains and some years the scientists predict those better than others. It doesn't mean it doesn't work against the strains they predicted. It just doesn't work against the ones they didn't. Some protection is still better than none.

http://www.disabilityscoop.co

http://www.disabilityscoop.com/2015/02/09/autism-speaks-vaccines/20040/

Lost in the kerfuffle. I have not made my way through all the posts, but got this in my in-box.

I had a blog about anti

I had a blog about anti vaxxers up a couple of months ago. I personally think it's bullshit that kids can't take peanut butter to school because of allergies but they can not get vaccinated. I'm a little touchy on the subject because where I live is having a small outbreak of the measles and I have a two week old baby. A friend of mine, who has a four month old (still to young to get the mmr), has a toddler at the day care where the out break happened. She's scared shitless right now. I don't blame her. Personal rights end when they infringe on another persons rights and herd immunity only works when the vast majority are vaccinated.

Vaccinate! Because one

Vaccinate! Because one Bubonic Plague was enough. And we still have rats to carry it around - the biggest one being my ex! }:)

Seriously though - vaccinate. My dad had polio, got it when he was a teenagers. Messed him up for life. And we are bring back diseases.

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