Long distance marriage counseling - Part Deux
Wanted to let you know how this is going.
We've had four sessions so far. I like the counselor. She's very skilled and very balanced. She is also of the same ethnicity as H and I, which helps her understanding with some of our personality traits.
Things H revealed during our sessions:
1. He knew I was ready to divorce him when he moved. His thought was fine, guess that didn't work out. Then he went a little further and imagined someone asking him why we got a divorce. He said he didn't have an answer to that question. And if he didn't know why I would divorce him, then obviously there is a problem with him.
2. Admitted that he has been putting our relationship and consequently me off our entire marriage in favor of placating skid and Uberskank. Their needs and wants always came first.
3. Took any advice I gave him regarding his kid as negative and "you hate my kid" comments. Refused to listen to or consider my advice. His way was the only way because I was picking on, taking something away from or plain old hating his kid.
4. Took the job and moved to get away from everything and get a fresh start. Admitted he didn't once consider my objections, my needs or my concerns. He did what he wanted and made the assumption I would just go with it.
5. Has been putting all of the problems back on me. If an issue came up it was Shaman's fault, Shaman's mistake, Shaman was depressed, Shaman need counseling, Shaman should go see a doctor. Didn't consider the fact he was the problem.
6. Has been making decisions all along without me, keeping his relationship with skid and I on parallel tracks in his life. Which has done nothing but give skid mini-wife status and created acrimony between skid and me.
The counselor has been holding his feet to the fire regarding his relationship with his kid. She flat out told him he has to let go and let her learn from her mistakes. His habit of being the hero and swooping in to save the day has completed broken down our relationship and my respect, love and trust in him. It has also kept skid from learning valuable life skills and learning her decisions will either have rewards or consequences. And if it’s the latter, how to deal with/learn from the consequences.
She also told him in order for our marriage to work, he has to put our relationship first and must openly communicate all decisions with me. No more making decisions behind my back. He said he must make it clear to skid and Uberskank that our relationship comes first (not telling them, showing them by treating decisions and discussions differently). In fact the counselor told him that going forward, when asked for anything by skid or Uberskank, he should always say I need to discuss this with Shaman and get back to you. I thought that was odd and questioned it, but she said he must re-establish my place in his life with clear boundaries.
She told him this would be a process. Recommended personal counseling for H.
And for me....what did she say to me?? I'm impressed you stayed in it for this long without leaving and the fact you're willing to give him this chance to change. Just understand it won't happen overnight and that he will make mistakes along the way.
That's in a nutshell. I have no plans to move at this point. He talking a good game right now but I have to see some evidence of these changes. The first steps will be coming up in June when skid graduates from HS and he starts laying out new boundaries for the skid.
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This is great at least he can
This is great at least he can admit these things. I hope he puts his actions to work!!!
Thinking of you!
Thank you. We can work
Thank you.
We can work things out as long as he's changing how he reacts/responds to certain situations, puts our relationship first and stays consistent. I'm not looking for perfection. I am looking for continued effort.
Yes it is a big step. Up
Yes it is a big step. Up until now, he's always blamed me for anything he did wrong. This is a first with him.
It sounds like you have
It sounds like you have covered a lot of ground. I like this Therapist. I hope your SO receptive to her advice, and makes the necessary changes.
We didn't really speak for
We didn't really speak for the first few months after he moved away. He told the counselor that he's had a lot of time on his hands to consider where things went wrong.
When all roads kept leading down to his dumb ass making bad decisions, he couldn't deny the facts any longer.
Omg Shaman, you've just
Omg Shaman, you've just reminded me how dense men really truly are. Almost all (or all?) of that advice is the same advice I'd give a friend facing your situation and/or Stalkers have given you and/or observations you've made yourself.
How do women know this stuff and men don't? Why the hell is it so hard for a man to comprehend Relationship 101 basic decency rules? It isn't freaking rocket science.
Good luck to you, Shaman. You are a patient person with a good heart.
There are times that I think
There are times that I think the minute some men have "caught" us they believe they don't have to do the work to keep us shiny any longer. Just mount our heads over the mantle and they're happy.
All the while we're getting old, dusty and falling apart from the lack of care.
Time will tell if H is truly committed to making the changes to save our marriage. And I've been very careful to word it that I don't want to change him, that he only needs to change the way he's been prioritizing our relationship and reacting/responding to his kid and Uberskank.
Thank you aswang. He can be a
Thank you aswang. He can be a very stubborn, emotional midget. BTW....love that term.
I think he's capable of being a bigger person, but the "you hate my kid" thing has been in play and he refused to see around it.
Bwwwwwwwwahahahahahaha. I
Bwwwwwwwwahahahahahaha.
I have moments where I hate him too.
He was an ass to put me on the back burner for so long.
He found out last Friday forgiveness isn't automatic with his epiphany.
When the counselor asked me what I thought about what he said, I said okay....you realized you effed up. Now what? What are you gong to DO about it?
Exactly Mairin. During the
Exactly Mairin. During the first session and his initial revelations, he apologized. I brought up the apology/broken plate analogy. Stopped him cold in his tracks. I said until you start DOING something about the way you've been handling things, then I'm Sorry isn't going to do you much good. Show me you're changing the way you're dealing with our relationship and your kid. Then I'll start believing you truly understand the mistakes you've been making.
That's funny about your friend and reminded me of when I was asked not to attend any more women's retreats. And it was for doing exactly what your friend did for you. Bwwwwwaaaahhahahahaha. Funny story.
Before I became Agnostic, I was a full on bible thumper. Sunday school teacher. In the choir. The works.
Anyway....I used to go to Women's Retreats. You know the ones. A bunch of women go away for two days for prayer, advice, support, etc.
It was my fourth retreat and I noticed this same woman, getting prayer for the same problem every time. This is over the course of two years. I was in the group praying for her for the fourth time and I stopped and asked "What are you doing about your situation?" She responded with "God will fix this through prayer." I said "No he won't. You have to do something about your situation and God will walk you through your trial."
The other people tried to shush me and I said, "I cannot pray for this person if she's going to go back home, sit around and wait for God to fix her problems. She has to DO something about or it will never change."
That's when I was led away from that prayer group and it was suggested to me that Retreats may not be the right place for me.
Chainsaw.
Chainsaw.
OMG!! That's so funny you
OMG!! That's so funny you guys.
Did you ever get the what kind of tree would you be question??
I was asked that in a job interview once, and was so disgusted with that question that my answer was "You know the trees in the forest in the Wizard of Oz that threw their apples at everyone? That's the kind of tree I would be."
I don't know why I didn't get that job!
I would be a chainsaw
I would be a chainsaw wielding, apple throwing, bitch of a tree. But pretty.
Bwwwaahahahahahahahaa.
Bwwwaahahahahahahahaa.
>>>He found out last Friday
>>>He found out last Friday forgiveness isn't automatic with his epiphany.<<<
Yes, sometimes people are very surprised to learn that the person they have wronged may not be ready to forgive just because they are ready to be forgiven, lol.
I hope things go well in June!
Me too Twopines. Me too. I
Me too Twopines. Me too.
I just commented on Mairin's response about using the broken plate/apology analogy. The silence was comical when he realized just how empty his apology really was to me.
As long as he stays consistent, not perfect, but consistent then we can work things out.
Dtzy....you and I are on the
Dtzy....you and I are on the same page with his idiocy.
I'm glad he's on his little journey of discovery, he's had it too easy with me and patience and forgiveness. I can already tell my not saying "It's okay" or "I'm moving there next week" is having an impact on him. I've stopped being complacent and it's really throwing him for a loop.
I'm giving him this chance, I'm willing to work with him on this. But no way in hell am I going to make it easy on him! }:)
every step parent on these
every step parent on these boards should read this post and tolerate nothing less. great counselor!
Wow. Thank you!
Wow. Thank you!
Oh yeah.......Had I been in
Oh yeah.......Had I been in the room I would have clocked him.
Ladyface I honestly don't
Ladyface I honestly don't know how I lasted this long and I don't have any secrets.
Well....except the chanting I do every day "I'm too pretty for jail. I'm too pretty for jail. I'm too pretty for jail."
I haven't seen him since 12/31. He is no longer on the mainland. He'll be here in June for skid graduation.
Bwwwaaahahahahaha. I'm hoping
Bwwwaaahahahahaha.
I'm hoping I'm crafty to get caught. It's all about eliminating the evidence.