19 y/o stepdaughter estranged, but wants to come on our vacation
My 19 y/o stepdaughter used to come over with her 2 younger siblings since she was 10, when her dad and I started living together.
She was always distant, flinched when I tried to hug her, started fights with her sisters on purpose, lied to get cell phone account number and then let her mom have the credit from the phone we bought her, etc. After an incident when she was 17 and she made motions like she was going to hit me, she went to live with her mom. She was always like an angry time bomb, sulking but not answering us when we asked what was wrong. She would just say - "I don't know, or nothing". A year ago my dh said was talking with her again. He finally told me that shortly after she went to live with her mom, she gave him an ultimatum "leave her and get back together with biomom, or I will not speak to again." He chose me. He explained that he'd rather have all his teeth pulled than ever go back to his ex wife. She hadn't spoken to him in 2 years. Now she is coming around, calling him and saying she wants to "stop by for this or that" or "come over for dinner" etc. He asked me and I told him that he can have a relationship with her, but I am not comfortable being around her or having her in my home. So now she is working on the other skids, her younger sisters, 17 and 15. They have been asking relentlessly for her to come over and asking why its such a big deal. DH and I say no, and he says he has has a long talk with them to explain why their older sister is not welcome here. Meanwhile older sister was asked to call me directly and apologize. She has not done this. She has, instead, lied and told her sisters that she left because their dad raised his hand like he was going to hit her 2 years ago, and told an alternate reality version of what happened between us - when I asked her to close the freezer door 3 times, and she raised her hand and came at me like she was going to punch me, In her version, I "closed the freezer door on her head." Nope, never happened. But guess what, she can tell her little sisters anything, and they will believe her. So, I am again defending myself against her lies and manipulations.
We are going on vacation soon, and taking her 2 younger sisters, who live with us part time, The 17 year old sister is repeatedly asking us for the address of the home we are staying in, She repeatedly asks her dad if their older sister can come, or stop by, I said no, and he backed me up. But my concern is, I am afraid older sister will show up unannounced, uninvited, and try to guilt her dad into letting her stay. I have brought this up with him, but he doesn't believe it will happen. I bought a small hidden camera to wear and keep in my purse for whenever I have to deal with older sister - or if she should show up. That way I have documentation of what actually happens, so she can't twist it for her own use later. I told DH about this and he understands, but thinks I am over reacting. This girl almost ruined my life once, I don't want to give her another chance, But i also don't want to risk my relationship with my other stepdaughters, whom I love. Everytime I think about seeing the oldest stepdaughter again, I have a panic attack. Her and biomom, who are both narcissists, will manipulate anyone to get what they want. I have lived through it, and won't go back to that hell again. What do you think?
I wouldn't want someone who
I wouldn't want someone who threatened me and lied about me anywhere near me much less on holiday with me. Stick to your guns.
NOPE just nope. Maybe bm can
NOPE just nope. Maybe bm can take her on vacation.
No way!
I wouldn't let her join you on vacation. And if the other SDs feel torn, you might want to offer for them to skip the vacation as well. Don't let them manipulate you or guilt you. They need to respect your history and respect that you and DH are the decision makers. If they like big sis so much, they can spend time with her elsewhere, without you and DH along.
Agree
I will be interested to hear how this plays out with this trip and over time. I am in a similar and chronic situation. The oldest skid is much older than the others and she comes and goes leaving a wake of distruction in her path, and the three younger skids and even DH seem to have unlimted chances to give her. She wants to be invited to vacations, holidays, parties, etc but she shows up late, makes a scene, and destroys the evening. She does it every time and this cycle will never end. I posted in another thread that I am struggling to deal with holidays, special occasions, family vacations, etc - forever. I cannot be around her but not inviting her for the past few years has really deteriorated my relationship with the younger skids and DH's relationship with them too. We have tried a few different arrangements to include for several years that they held their holidays without me, we tried to disinvite her to holidays, we have tried just not celebrating holidays anymore, but none of those arrangements worked for everyone or anyone, especially DH.
In my situation, what frustrates me the most, is that it doesn't matter what she does. Not really. Everyone knows that she is a bad apple who enjoys chaos and destruction but they have unconditional love for her. I on the other hand, do not. I'm like you, I can't take it anymore but it puts us in a terrible position. Anyway, I don't have any advice but I understand what you are going through!
Zero tolerance, total
Zero tolerance, total broadcast of the facts, and total brutal destructive confrontation of any toxic bullshit.
When lying SD lies to her sisters, you go full frontal on discussing those lies with her sisters, ask them if they have ever seen you raise your hand to them or anyone else, ever seen you slam anyone's head in the fridge, or ever had you lie to them or anyone else. Have then ask their father if he raised his hand to her. You ask him in front of them.
Bare her ass, over, and over, and over again. Load her sisters with the facts, continually recount her litany of lies, manipulations, and toxic behavioral bullshit. Balance that with comments about how it is okay to love her while clearly recognizing her lies, character flaws, etc....
Never let the facts fade. Ever. When they need to be revisited, revisit them. She will either fix her shit or live a life of having her ass bared with her toxic bullshit and her sisters will learn to love her while not tolerating her crap.
My SS had to learn to love his toxic manipulative SpermClan while not respecting them. They have not earned his respect and his love for them is conceptual, distant, and still causes him pain. He is living his life extremely well. They are wallowing ever deeper in their toxic cesspool of genetically driven crap decisions.
Your younger SD's will sadly have to go down that same journey path with the toxic eldest. Her nose should eternally be rubbed in the stench of her lies and behavioral shit, the younger two should have to be kept close enough to her behavioral crap to smell it and learn from her lies and the consequences she suffers.
IMHO of course.
It's too many stepdaughters.
It's too many stepdaughters. It was hell for me with one stepson. I think you're making a mistake staying in this situation. His evil daughter will never go away and next time she'll get a gun or a knife and finish the job. You should have phoned the polivebwhen she threatened violence.
Access to the benefits of
Access to the benefits of family engagement are at the pleasure of each of the adult equity life partners. When a Skid is toxic, they are out until both adults at the core of the family agree.
I would not tolerate her presence if I were you.
No.... is no. She earned it, make her live the consequences of her choices.