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To what extent do you include Steps with OUR kids?!

Stepmama2321's picture

I have 5 days until the due date of my 2nd child (both DD with my SO). I am so excited to meet her and see my 2 little girls grow up together! I keep picturing them being so close, my little twinsies, not Irish twins but pretty close (my first is almost 14mo). I hope they are best friends forever, sibling bond is so important to me. I realize this doesn’t always happen. I have 2 older sisters, we’re all close in age, and I’m extremely close to 1 and not so much the other. Whenever I picture my little family, it feels so perfect! Then it starts to feel like SD8 just kind of intrudes this picture perfect family in my head. She’s just an outsider, who doesn’t fit in with us due to her being raised so differently, and it kind of ruins it (I know it’s a horrible thing to think). We also only have her 4x/mo. 

I keep thinking about the things I want to do with MY girls (ranging from small, insignificant things to bigger ones) and my guilt to overcompensate for SD kicks in. I tried to include her in everything before but now that my DD is getting a true sister (and the fact I don't think SD truly gives a sh*t about her half-sis) I just don’t find it as important but I also feel... guilty about that.

It’s small, silly things like the fact I’ve been wanting to buy a growth ruler that you hang on the wall to chart my girls heights. I haven’t gotten it because I don’t want SD to be included on it. Mine will have records from birth onward and SD would be recorded started at 8? That’s stupid.

I want to do matching outfits sometimes for my girls. Easy to do since they’re both babies and same department just different sizes.

I want to get a plate made for “Santa’s cookies” to set out as a tradition and I don’t want SD name on it. Is that mean? 

I want professional pictures of my fam of 4, but I know SO would not approve, which leaves me to have fam members take those photos when she’s not around. But what about professional pictures of just my 2 girls? 

I picture trips to take when the girls get older. Their first time at the beach. DisneyLand. Even something smaller like the fair. It’d be perfect with us 4 because everyone has someone to ride with, hotel is easy peasy. But then I feel like that’s cruel to not include SD on big vacations and then it makes me never even want to do those things because she’d just ruin it. 

How far do you go to include your steps in YOUR family things? When you have them? (Easy to get out of since it’s only 4x/mo) Do you wait to schedule stuff for when you do have them? What about the small things like the Santa plate, crafts to display, matching things, the growth chart? (I know they probably sound dumb and I’m probably just overthinking this and it’s not a big deal but man the guilt that comes along with it..)

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shellpell's picture

I don't include SS12 in very much. My two are two years apart and much younger. Why should I bend over backwards for a kid who's not mine? And one who is being raised with different values and is in his way to being alienated? SMS have to give up so much already, why do we not get special things just for our own kids? And we have taken photos without him. And I've had just my two on Christmas cards. He is long distance and we don't see him much. Before Covid, SS would come here 2-3x a year and DH would go see him on his own. Don't feel bad about doing special things just for your two. Skid is not your responsibility.

tog redux's picture

I don't have kids, but it seems to me that you should be able to do both - pictures with SD and pictures without.

I'd do the growth ruler anyway, who cares if SD's starts at 8.

In other words, it's a balance - and your DH doesn't get the final say.  It should be a negotiation and a compromise. You will have to compromise on some things, him on others.

Stepmama2321's picture

Yes, I do have to compromise and I agree with the photos. I remember my BIL telling me a story about how he had to step out of fam photos so it could just be his BM, SD, and half brother. He was very young and hurt by it. I would never do that but sometimes I just want to see pictures of the family WE created together. 
I guess I could get a growth chart ruler for SD if she wants her own but I'm not putting marks on the keepsake of my own children. Something small and dumb to others but something I think is cute but then think never mind can't even do that without hurting feelings so just don't even do it. She just ruins little things like that, that I realize sound petty and small to others.

tog redux's picture

Well, I'd be inclined to do the pictures on a different day so SD doesn't feel so left out. Can't you get separate growth rulers for all three of them? Or at least ask her if she wants one?

Stepmama2321's picture

I would never have her step out of photos to include just the 4 of us, that's mean. I meant scheduling them on weekends we don't have her. Maybe I'll ask if she wants one too

JRI's picture

My nearest sibling is 8 years younger, my sister was 10 years younger and the youngest is 17 years younger.  I wouldnt worry too much.  That age gap is huge, insurmountable.  You will probably end up being glad to have her, I did a lot of babysitting!  My mom was custodial but you only have SD 4 x a month but still, she can keep an eye on them while you do something else.  She is in a different life stage from your girls.  I think it will be okay

 

Stepmama2321's picture

Unfortunately that's not the case for us. SD is no "help" when it comes to my DD. Granted, she's not around her enough perhaps to get the responsibility role, but she has a younger brother from BM that is 2 and she still just doesn't "get it". I'd never have her babysit but can't even walk out of the living room while she "watches DD" because she'd blindly watch her put something in her mouth or fall off the couch and just sit back. It's actually quite strange to me. 
But anyway, thank you for your feedback. I realize I'm probably overthinking silly things. Just had a bathtub soaking pregnancy thoughts when I was picturing my future kids! 

SeeYouNever's picture

We don't get SD12 nearly as much as you get yours. When they become preteens they don't want to visit as much.

Anyway, create your traditions and go forward with them whether SD is there or not. If she's there on Christmas Eve she can put out cookies and hang up a stocking, if she's there on Christmas day she can just find her stocking, do you know what I mean? Traditions and events shouldnt have to be planned around her schedule, and as she gets older you can be sure it will get less and less regular. Make traditions more about events and times and that way she will be there for some, not for others and learn that's just how it is sometimes. 

As for the things specific to your girls, you reserve the right as a mom to get to do those things. You don't have to make up for something BM and your DH didn't do with SD. She had plenty of other things and experiences. 

Stepmama2321's picture

Yes thank you for that response. I need to just go about doing things naturally and stop overthinking stuff. I feel like I'm constantly making up for lack traditions/family values.

lieutenant_dad's picture

For some of these things, like matching outfits and growth charts and Santa plates, I'd do what it is YOU want to do. Your SO has had the same ability to do those things for SD, and if he now finds it important, then he can put in the work to do it for himself. It's not on you to develop traditions for his kid if he isn't developing them first.

There are things, though, that I think you'll have to compromise and include SD (though this is still somewhat dependent on how your family operates). If, for example, you and SO can only do one vacation a year, or if it's a kid-friendly vacation to somewhere like Disney World, it would be cruel to not include SD, both to her and SO. BUT, it still becomes your SO's responsibility to figure out how to pay for/accommodate SD. That may mean SD bringing a friend, or having to rent a condo or conjoining rooms, or finding clubs/programs for older kids, etc. 

Now, what I DO think you need to do is find a way to get out of your own head and stop letting the mere thoughts of SD ruin these activities. Likely, it's not her that ruins them; it's how your SO treats her and the situation that does. He SHOULD be incorporating her into family norms and teaching her how to act like part of HIS family, too. Kids can learn to act differently at different places.

Mominit's picture

Her DH may have had the opportunity to do traditions, but didn't, but it wasn't rubbed right in her 8 year old face.  I never ate Tim Horton's as a child because it didn't occur to my parents to buy food when they could make it.  But if my Mom came home every Sunday after church with a donut for two of the three children in the house because that was "her" tradition, I'd have felt pretty left out!  It's one thing not to do something, it's another to exclude someone who is actually there.  SD's dad may not have had the Christmas plate tradition, but seeing it now thinks it's a cool idea.  Or simply doesn't want SD to be treated like the red-headed step child who's feeling "shouldn't" matter.  When we blend a family, we take on the heart of small children who don't deserve to be hurt because it costs us a little extra energy or a little extra understanding.  If OP doesn't want to see little ink marks on HER daughter's growth chart. That's fine.  She admits it's a bit petty, but it bothers her.  So make three separate growth charts.  It's a simple compromise that can be made to show kindness.  Small compromises could help the sisters grow closer, whereas small slights and snubs over a lifetime can ensure they never do.  And small kindnesses shown to a child go a long way to raising empathetic adults (and kindness to ALL of his daughters will probably be appreciated by OPs spouse as well)

lieutenant_dad's picture

I'll agree that if she buys donuts that she shouldn't exclude SD. I also think having three different charts is a good compromise.

My point is OP isn't the one who needs to be figuring out if SD is being excluded and feeling guilty for not having maternal feelings for SD. Her SO needs to figure out how to incorporate all his children and traditions together, not OP. 

I'm gathering from OP that her SO hasn't had much of an opinion about things he wants his kids to experience BEFORE he is presented with an idea, but becomea very opinionated only AFTER his eldest is being "excluded". That's unfair to OP. It means she'll ALWAYS be the bad guy when it's not her job to wonder if what she is doing is something SD or SO is even interested in.

shellpell's picture

I agree. Why is the onus on OP to worry about skid (who is there 4 days a month and who presumable has her own mother to make memories and do special things with) when she is planning things for her two babies? If it's really important to OP's DH, then HE should be figuring things out. If it's something that doesn't take up much time or effort and is basic human kindness (like buying 3 vs 2 donuts) then, of course OP should do that. But if she has a special tradition that she wants to carry down like the plates with names, then she should be able to do that. If BM is around, then she should be helping make memories for her daughter. And OP's DH should be doing that for his household, not OP (unless she wants to).

Stepmama2321's picture

This is exactly why I came here to ask - what is justifiable in creating traditions with own vs what I have to make compromises on. I would never push her to the side like the "ugly red headed step child" lol but my point is, do I have to include her in every single aspect of my raising my children!? Even down to small minute things like this! But I agree with a lot of the consensus here, which is to pass on the traditions for my little girls and if SO has an issue then he needs to implement traditions he finds important. Also, it's not my job to make up for BM lack of crating special memories. Thanks all!

lieutenant_dad's picture

In your situation, OP, a good rule is probably "if it's going to be in SD's face, then it likely needs to include SD". So, family pictures need to include her and she needs to be present in some pictures in your home. If she's going to be there for Christmas, she can get a Christmas cookie plate. I doubt a growth chart is going to make her bat an eye because I just don't think kids care, and if it's in your kids' room(s), SD likely won't notice. If you're going on a trip that you know SD would enjoy and can wait a weekend, then wait. Otherwise, go have fun when she isn't there.

I also think it would be good to have a conversation with your SO about how HE wants to incorporate SD into the mix. Taking the Christmas plates as an example, if he wants SD to have one, then HE needs to come to the store to pick it out with you. And HE needs to be there to help SD decorate it. And HE needs to be involved in making this memory WITH SD.

And that would be the second rule to follow: if SD is being included, then SO needs to be included, too. It's not YOUR job to create memories for HIS daughter. HE needs to do that. You might be the catalyst who suugests the idea, but he needs to be beside you to execute it. If he's not, then it's not a tradition to SD, it's just an activity. You're not a child activity director, and I'd phrase it EXACTLY like that to your SO. You want to do these things to teach your kids and build memories, and while it's fine that SD tags along, the experience for her will be lackluster without her parent (your SO) there to add the meaning.

ETA: The third rule is "don't take over so many family resources that SO can't make memories with SD". That February trip to Disney World is great SO LONG AS your SO will still have the resources available to take SD on a similar trip, too. Taking your kids out every weekend that SD isn't there is great SO LONG AS your SO isn't broke and tired on weekends SD is there and he doesn't want to do anything with her.

He's an adult and can manage his own resources, but don't put him in a lose-lose situation where him saying "no, I can't do X because it means I won't be able to do anything with SD" makes you mad, but then doing things with you takes away from SD. This is the balance and compromise you have to accept with being in a step family. The majority of the household resources are going to be available to your kids, so don't take away the limited resources, whether they be time or money, that are available to SD. I'm not saying you are doing that, but it's a good thing to be mindful of.

Stepmama2321's picture

Those are good points and things to be aware of! Thanks. SO is involved when SD is here so I don't feel like a babysitter.

 And about taking financial support away from SD? HA! Child support is 25% of his income, an amount that surely doesn't go to our children even if grouped together. 

Mominit's picture

I am an Irish twin (almost exactly 9 months apart) and I’d have to say you’re going about this wrong on two levels.  My mom was very careful to treat my sister and I as individuals.  Yes she would often have an outfit that was the same, but always in different colours . She made sure to allow us to be best friends, while emphasizing that we are separate people.  To the point where she started me in school early so that we would be in separate grades and have separate friends.  It allowed us to have pride in our individuality.  There is nothing more frustrating to an older sister than having EVERYthing shared with a younger sister.  No accomplishment, and nothing goes by without be compared or shared.  While your SD gets everything to herself.  On the other hand, you seem to be so focused on recreating your sisterhood bond that you’re willing to shove an innocent 8 year old aside because she doesn’t fit the picture you have in your head of “your girls”.  I’m sure your DH would love if all three sisters eventually formed a tight bond that lasted them long after you two are gone.  But she won’t if you don’t encourage it.

 

So for pictures – compromise.  Do some of each grouping.  For the Santa plate – I have one with no names.  If you have the names of just your girls, you push SD aside as “not worthy” or “less”.  And besides that, when your girls grow up you have a plate with their names on it.  Without the name you could pass it to either of them to use for their children later in life.  Or keep it to use at your house when you’re a grandparent.  Same for the growth chart.  If you do one for each of them individually, you still have your mommy keepsake or they can each have their very own growth chart.  And if SD wants one too, where’s the harm.  Rather than something in the living room that actively leaves her out, you could have one on the wall beside each bed that gets used equally (measure each of them on their birthday, or on special occasions so you don’t simply buy one, but still refuse to honour her feelings by not using it).  You think of her as grown up at 8.  Wait until your girls are 8.  You’ll realize how small they still are.  As for vacations, SD goes on the big ones, you plan smaller ones when she’s with her mom.  I’m sure your DH would love to make wonderful memories with all of his daughters.

 

So for me – focus on your girls being individuals, not a collective “your girls” vs SD the intruder.  I have three blended girls.  They didn’t start that way, but now as adults the kids are tight.  Because we taught them the value of siblings.  All of them. It ebbs and flows, but they have each other because we treated all of our kids equally wherever possible.

Stepmama2321's picture

I realize the importance of being an individual for each of my girls goes. I come from a family of many sets of twins. But when they're babies, what's the harm? 
I'm not shoving her aside. I've actually done everything in my power to encourage a strong sibling bond between DD and SD. But with limited interaction (EOWE COV) it's not really there. Granted, it's only been a year so perhaps with age and time, it will blossom. However I have decided I will no longer force it and allow it to happen or not happen, naturally. 
I don't think she's grown up at all. She's 8 and acts 4. I have a huge family full of nieces and nephews to reference on her level and maturity... but that's besides the point I guess. 
But thank you for your response, I do appreciate different views on this. I do understand where you're coming from with the individuality vs SD - though it is hard to see her as a member of my family (I think many of us on StepTalk struggle with this, though you're lucky and don't! I wish!). And some of the compromises you suggested - also why I posted to see what was down right petty of me and what's rational of me to do and feel. 

ndc's picture

We have skids 50/50. We don't wait for them to be here to do things,  nor do we exclude them if they're here.  We don't do professional photos, so that's not an issue.  If I wanted a cookie tray with just DD's name and thought DH would be upset if I excluded the skids, I'd have my mom gift it to me.  DH can't complain about that. 

Skids recognize that there's an age difference (4.5 and 7 years between DD and SD5 and SD8, respectively), so for some things I do just for DD I'll tell them it's for babies and they're too old for it, and point out things they have or do that DD doesn't. They're fine with it, as is DH.

I feel no guilt at all when I do something for or with my DD that I don't do with them.  I treat them well and include them in a lot,  plus they have an involved mother who does a lot for them. 

Stepmama2321's picture

A few others also suggested to point out the age difference so I plan to start using that line to my advantage... 

ESMOD's picture

I think that the age difference will somewhat take care of some of these issues.  like the trips...some trips are not going to be attractive to an older child or teen if they are planned with toddlers in mind. and as she gets older inviting a friend can be a good way to keep her occupied and reduce problems.  We found it worked well with my sd's if they had a friend with them.

the santa cookie plate ... idk.  why does the special plate necessarily have to have "names' on it at all?  it could still be a special commemorative plate without names... and if it will be a keepsake.. "which" of your girls gets it later in life.. ??? I might either go with "no names" or get three little plates made with each girl's names... it won't hurt your kids if she has a plate too. and it is a nice gesture...if you do a special plate for each child.. each of them gets to keep it for "life".

i think it's perfectly fine to get some portraiture done of just your kids.. I mean, your side of the family likely would not have interest in having SD in every picture.. and there is always a chance you could split with her father.. that would make having all pictures include the three awkward.  You could also include her in the photo shoot but ensure that there are pics of solo and different groupings... leaning more towards the shots you want.. but would still have some "sisterhood" pics with their half sister.

 

Stepmama2321's picture

I guess I was just copying my moms tradition with the Santa plate but I like your idea of no names so it can be passed down and also in case we're not done having children. 
So do you think a fair compromise is getting pictures done of just my girls rather than them and my SO and I? I could work with that just fine. I really don't care about pictures of us 4 as much as nice photos of the 2 of them. 

Lifer33's picture

There's a large age gap anyway so hopefully in. Few years it'd be considered not cool by the step child to have a santa plate etc etc. Do you specifically have her Christmas eve or day anyway? Put the grow chart in one of your children's rooms so it's not in step child's face?

I don't deliberately exclude ss here but equally so much has gone on I guess I've trained myself not to let him or his enter my head until he's here. So, when buying cutesy stuff for bd I just buy for her. One year my dd came running down proudly showing the grandparents her personalised santa sack. Ss looked a bit put out and said don't I have one? 'Oh sorry, I didn't think as you're never here for Xmas day, perhaps your mother can get you one?' 

I take it there's a bm in the picture who it could be up to to have already created such traditions for the child? 

Stepmama2321's picture

It switches yearly. This year it will be Christmas Day. Exactly, BM should be doing her own traditions but she doesn't do any, it's so strange to me! I wish we could just have her Christmas Eve every year because that and Christmas morning are the most special time to me. But I suppose it'll allow me to enjoy my own during that time!

secret's picture

My ss isn't the one who complains, dh is. In front of ss.

My standard answer is... that I, as a mother, choose to take my children and my spouse on a trip / buy my children things / have traditions... and that ss's mother is completely able to do those things with HER kid, as a mother, with her own spouse (short term boyfriend but whatever), and that I have no more obligations to include her kid in things to do with my kids, than she does to include my kids when doing things for/with hers.

His argument is always that it's not fair to ss... and my response is always that it's not my problem if his mom can't give him what I'm able to give mine.

It generally shuts him up.

secret's picture

Also... I'd do one plate for each girl...instead of one plate for your 2... then it's up to Dh to get a plate for his own, or not. Then it's not yours versus his... it's you doing something special with yours, and since he's the dad of all 3, he can choose to include his daughter in your tradition, as your husband, or not. 

Put it back on HIM not treating his three kids equally, rather than on YOU not treating them all like your own...they're not.

The_Upgrade's picture

Do whatever feels right to you. SD also has a mother to do cutesy mother/daughter things with. And I doubt SD's mother will think oh, poor little half sisters will miss out. And yeah, some kids are just more delayed than others. I have no problem with leaving DD with my friend's 7 and 12 year old to play outside on the street. Whereas her cousins who are slightly older would probably watch on as she got collected by a speeding car.