BM is trying to get back with my DH
my DH has 2 teens, he has been divorced from his ex wife for more than 10 years now. (because she cheated on him). However, she has never moved on and found someone else since. I have been with DH for a few years and this situation is really annoying to me. She keeps on inviting herself to our family events (not only the kid's bday parties, but christmas, boating days, drinks at our house, etc). It is bothering me, because last year, she talked to him while I was on vacation with my parents (DH was invited, but couldn't come because he had the kids that week), and she told him that she still loved him and wanted to get back together with him and that I was too young for him, that he'd be better off with her. He told me when I came back that that situation happened, and that he told her it would never happen, but I feel like it is a huge lack of respect on her part and it makes me insecure because she always finds a way to be invited to events and to special days we plan. DH's sister is getting married in a few months and she will be there. I learned that from his mom, because he wouldn't have told me himself I don't think. I get that she is the kids's mom and all and I am really not trying to steal her spot as their mom and it has been clear from the start, but I just don't want her around at events and on our boat in the summer. Also, everytime she comes, she acts like they are this little family, and leaves me out of the picture. It makes my blood boil. Should I talk directly to her, like ask her to go have a drink or something, or should I just let it go even though it is driving me absolutely crazy ? Oh and by the way, I have talked to my DH many times about that, but he says I am overreacting, and honestly seems to be protecting her.
Overreacting? The woman told
Overreacting? The woman told him, point blank, that she still loves him and wants him back.
I would not talk to the BM, she is not going to care one iota how YOU feel and will be glad that this is bothering you.
Your husband needs to take care of this. I know for a fact that my DH would not even go to his sister's wedding if she invited BM.
Lack of boundaries all around
Lack of boundaries all around and your H needs to stop being so passive and start regulating sh!t NOW. There's no way she should be in any of your functions and if the Inlaws invite her you're going to have to create boundaries around that also. She may still want her Ex back but its up to your H to make it clear there is no way that's going to happen. He has to leave no room for assumptions and perhaps the fact that she's so involved in all these family functions makes her think she has a chance.
Whatever you do don't contact her as this is your H's situation to deal with and if he wants a happy marriage he needs to act accordingly.
A Game
"I have talked to my DH many times about that, but he says I am overreacting, and honestly seems to be protecting her" This sounds like a game. His ego swells every time he feels there are two women after him. Do you have any contact with an old boyfriend or possibly a nice man at work? If you don't make one up, and start having some fun yourself. I'll bet you DH won't like it very much at all. Tell him you will stop communicating with your 'admirer' when he tells BM to stay home.
Yes this. And let him know
Yes this. And let him know that any event he allows BM to "invite herself" to, is an event you won't be attending.
I second this. If BM shows up
I second this. If BM shows up, you leave and go do something you want to do. EVERY. TIME. You're being left out and made to feel uncomfortable anyway...why stick around for the abuse?
To be clear, that's exactly what this is...your husband is emotionally abusing you by allowing this to happen. He is not taking care of you the way a spouse is supposed to take care of a partner, and he is causing you emotional harm. And he KNOWS it. He just doesn't care.
Who's inviting the BM anyway? Is it the kids? Or your DH? How does she know when you've got something going on?
OR
Attend the event, but bring along aforementioned guy friend as your "date".
Such lack of boundaries
Both BM and your DH have displayed gross negligence in boundaries and boundary breaking. Is his ego that fragile he needs the strokes (men who have been cheated on always seem to need bolstering.)
You should tell your DH that BM is absolutely NOT NOW and NOT EVER invited to your events in your home, on your boat, in your airplane, in your shoe box, in your bathroom, backyard, pool - no where. Period.
How exactly does she "invite herself", unless someone is even mentioning it to her? How is DH's family even allowing this? SHE cheated SHE blew up the family. This tells me something is VERY wrong.
But first, your husband is gaslighting you and invalidating your feelings. Get him on track. YOu might have to "over react" a bit more, because making you uncomfortable should make him uncomfortable, yet he seems to actually be perpetuating this.
Make him understand that he has to choose, he cannot date both of you.
And no, absolutely do not say a word to this BM.
It's usually SD 16 who leaks
It's usually SD 16 who leaks information to her. She also showed up to his birthday party for his 40th last year at a restaurant and I told DH I wasn't comfortable with her being there, he told me to be the adult in this situation. His family was there also and she was bonding with them because she knows them more than I do.I'm just frustrated and I feel like I am just temporary for some reason.
I don't usually come right
I don't usually come right out and say this, but do you really think this man is worth it? Sounds to me like BM and SD AND DH are all ganging up on you. Shiatsu! I agree when it comes to step-situations, ganging up on SMs is not all that uncommon, BUT for your DH to be joining in too and gaslighting you into thinking you are the one with the problem!? My DH did something similar to me 5 years ago, and I'm still working on moving on from it. And that was just one big ol' time--at SD's wedding.
Sorry, but I just can't stand it whem SMs are treated like Offred in the Handmaid's Tale--just there to do cooking and cleaning and maybe pop out another one for DH and his #1 wife (ex-, in this case). I get you taking this in a way, because that is what America in the year 2020, still implies SMs are supposed to do--suck it up and take it all for the initial family. BUT, at some point you just have to put your foot down. Many of us have, and have stayed on and made it work, some just for convenience's sake. But, others of us have moved on. It seems to work either way--put your foot down and leave it there or leave. But the one thing that has never worked is doing nothing.
Take care and best of luck to you OP. I really feel for you and your situation. The hard truth is, the only understanding ear a SM will ever have, more than likely, is another SM. So, you need to go with your gut and learn to put your foot down ASAP; otherwise, pretty much everyone, and I do mean everyone, in DH's initial family will have you kowtowing to them in no time. You'll be gaslighted by your DH, because it makes things easier for him, and spend years, if not the rest of your life, doubting yourself and watching your soul slip away bit by bit by bit. Years of being at the bottom of everyone's, including your DH's, priority list can really take its toll.
You nailed it with the Offred
You nailed it with the Offred reference.
I would lose my $hit if the
I would lose my $hit if the ex ever showed up to one of our events. Similar to you- she was trying to get him back for years. I'm younger. blah blah blah. I agree that DH needs to put an end to this immediately- soooooo disrespectful to you.
I fully agree with you. How
I fully agree with you. How could that be handled, according to you ?
I wish I had all the right
I wish I had all the right answers for that. I can't say I handled things perfectly. We also had a very negative and stressful time with his ex for years. She was angry about the divorce and us and it was clear wanted him back. It was understood that he couldn't have it both ways. Sometimes I felt guilty about that for the kids but he knew what he was getting into. I think as kids get older they don't need to have both parents together for "minor" events and things can be done separately. I know friends who have split amicably and don't have feelings for each other anymore and do have joint functions together. I don't judge that and think it's great… But unfortunately not every situation is that way. Sounds like we both have similar situations and he just needs to make it clear to her that it can't continue. Best of luck!! ❤️
Here is the "riot act" I
Here is the "riot act" I would be reading your husband, if I were you.
You know, I think I have been very mature and tolerant of the fact that your EX has been included in so many of our events. I mean, I get that there will be events that your children have that both you and your EX will need to be in the same place. Funerals, weddings and graduation events come to mind. But this endless parade of inclusions for drinks, holidays, boat trips? I really was being nice by not making a big deal about it.
BUT.. your Exwife has crossed a line and I am no longer inclined to play nice with someone that has made it clear that she still has feelings for you and wants to break us up so she can have you. So, going forward, she is not welcome in our home.. for ANY reason. She can have her own holiday and birthday celebrations with the kids.. and you have a separate one. The only functions I will attend with her present are those where it is a public forum.. such as a sports event for one of your kids or a graduation ceremony. An exception for the time when your joint kids will be married too. But that's it. I am not going to parties at her place. If your relatives insist on inviting her to their celebrations? I will likely choose to decline. She is your EX wife for a reason. your family should show their loyalty you and your wife (ME) by not fraternizing with a woman who cheated on you and broke up your marriage. I am done playing nice. If she invites herself to our home, you will find me marching her A$$ out the door.. so I advise you to figure out how to make that not happen so your kids don't get to see her humiliated. I am done being the doormat. I am done playing nice with a woman who is angling to steal my husband. I am not going to sit back and let her make a play for you in my own home. If I find that you are going behind my back to allow her here, I'm going to consider that a betrayal of my trust in you and a betrayal of our partnership in marriage. If you are going to make someone pissed at you.. I strongly suggest you decide for it to be her.
Im going to memorize this!
Because for some reason, Toxic Troll was not asked to leave at my MIL's vigil.
What ESMOD said! If he
What ESMOD said! If he refuses, you have a bigger choice to make because he is choosing her over your very valid feelings.
I also might add something in there about if she shows up on your boat, you're going to tie her to an anchor and push her off, which also may be unpleasant for the children to witness, but that's just me.
Esmod's riot act sounds good
Esmod's riot act sounds good to me!
In your shoes, I would not talk to her - there's no need. You need to talk to your husband. HE is the problem here. He is the one that for years has failed to put up boundaries and show respect for your position as his wife. When he tells you it's not a big deal or you're overreacting, etc., he's gaslighting you. He needs to be read the riot act.
An X has no place in their X
An X has no place in their X's family. Period. Ever. For any reason.
My XILs used to invite me and my family (DW & SS) to their home and to family events and celebrations. I always politely declined. I didn't have any interest of ever laying eyes of their cavern crotched skank whore of a daughter ever again nor did I have any interest in exposing my family to them.
I have thought of what I would do if invited to a funeral of one of my XILs. I think I would politely decline. Though I was actually pretty close to my XMIL and XFIL while married to their skank of a daughter. Over the years I learned far more about them than I cared to know. But their legal troubles did end up putting my XMIL in federal prison and they lost a lawsuit by XMIls past employer to recover the $Millions she and her family embezzled from his business.
Your DH needs to hear the "her or me" message .... and firmly.
No more can you tolerate BM in your life. And neither should your DH nor should his family.
An X has no place in their X
An X has no place in their X's family. Period. Ever. For any reason.
Thank you for this. Speaking as someone whose ILs have been completely co-opted by the XW--with the objective of hurting DH, of course--I sometimes forget that there are other sane and reasonable people in the world.
Throw him back and take him
Throw him back and take him for everything.
They all deserve each other.
Catch and release!
Catch and release!
Hate to say this...but he’s
Hate to say this...but he’s afraid to totally let her go. A part of him is still in love with her, outside of her being the mother of his children.
Hes keeping that door slightly cracked...juuusssttt in case he needs to get back into that relationship. He can say there’s no way in h3ll as much as he wants, but his actions show otherwise.
ESMOD said it perfectly-this needs to be corrected immediately.
I am totally on the same page
I am totally on the same page as you are on this and I fear that is this fails, my marriage might be over, because I certainly can't put up with having her around all the time
You shouldn't have to put up
You shouldn't have to put up with it either! He's trying to make you feel like it's "no big deal", but it IS.
And, he is the one making it
And, he is the one making it a big deal. Not you. If it truly was "no big deal," then he'd be, obviously, supporting his wife vs. his ex-wife. If he says, "no big deal," then that goes both ways; meaning, if it truly is no big deal, then he should have no problem doing what makes his wife, the woman he lives with 24/7 and loves "'til death do us part," feel more comfortable, relaxed, and valued.
I always think that is an elephant in the room with these ex- situations. Pretty much everyone goes around acting like if SM, the new wife is PO'd about her husband and his ex- hanging out, she (SM) is the one not understanding or being immature. What a joke! You Google something like, "hanging out with the ex-" and all sorts of sites come up regarding getting back with the ex- or sex with the ex-. Yet, supposedly SMs are the ones being immaure. Nope. It is really DH and BM. They are so 1#@$!@ immature, that they think they can have their cake and eat it too, while everyone else is supposed to settle for scraps. Once they divorce, they are parents, yes, but they are never again a couple.
I know I for one did not marry my husband planning on him and his ex- being couple #1, and me and him being couple #2. No one, unless you are into polygamy, would have this expectation regarding marriage. This is the year 2020 and not 1820.
Yet, too many think they can play "halfies" (half married, half not) for months, even years, and at a moment's notice, jump back together again, and just pick up where they left off. And, this is all despite the fact that they may have new SOs or spouses or have children together that are probably so f'd up at this point, never knowing who or what is coming or going, that they have long since checked-out. But, mom and dad don't even notice. They are too busy playing with their egos and hormones. NOW THAT is immature.
And if my DH ever told me to
And if my DH ever told me to "be an adult", I think I'd walk out. So condescending.
BM recently tried this crap.
BM recently tried this crap. I refused to attend any and all events she attends, and DH called me "insecure". Probably because he'd be lonely, and when we go BM usually has some utterly dumb/crazy/awkward conversation, my favorite was when her now ex-h was trying to get very fat to gain disability (didn't work), and we usually have a good laugh for a month or two. Anyway, I explained that if I were truly insecure, I would be hanging all over him, showing up BM. I know I don't need to do that, and if he ever made me feel like I had to do that, I would just let her have him. No man is worth that kind of stress. So, DH eventually called her creepy to her face, and it stopped. He's also refused all invitations except the one, without even asking or telling me about it. Smart man.
How many years have you been
How many years have you been married to him?
2
2
OP, never mind. I went back
OP, never mind. I went back and read your post about your husband wanting to build/buy a house with his MOM?
I am sorry---so your newly married.
I'm Catholic and if you are, you should be able to get this farce of a marriage annulled. A marriage is between 2 adults, not mommy and his ex.
I really don’t get it.
It's your home. BM would never step foot in it. Not attend a party in your home. DH can't have his cake and you. This would be a big issue for me.
When I first got together with DW. She brought the kids to the EX so he could see them and she stayed there wity them and the ex. ( for the kids) ( and I was paying for her gas to the ex) She said she went to the neighbors, I did not believe that story. Told her if she did that again I would leave her. And I meant it. No playing Happy Family with the ex. It she wants to play with the ex. She could have him. Not going to be a threesome
The man has a girlfriend.
The man has a girlfriend. That his girlfriend is also his ex-wife doesn't suddenly make it okay or mean you have to accept it. Or any other nonsensical pitch you're being given.
You'd not tolerate your husband having his needs met by any other third party so what makes this woman different? What makes her so special as to overlook the complete disrespect your husband teams up with her to dish out not only to your relationship but you personally?
Their joint almost grown arse kids? Ha!
Love yourself the way you wish this sorry excuse for a man would. You deserve so much better than what he's offering.
Thank you. This should be so
Thank you. This should be so obvious not to only SMs, but everyone: “You'd not tolerate your husband having his needs met by any other third party so what makes this woman different? What makes her so special as to overlook the complete disrespect your husband teams up with her to dish out not only to your relationship but you personally?”
Unfortunately, for some reason you throw the term BM in there, and the rules suddenly change, and SM’s marriage gets thrown on the back burner!? Since when does a marriage take 2nd place to an old GF? Never. These type of situations are wife vs. old GF or ex- issues, and have nothing to do with the children. Yet, many persist in their thinking that if you’re a SM, then it becomes more like a polygamous situation where DH and his 1st wife are the primary couple, and DH and his current wife, SM, are secondary. Yeah, and this in the year 2020!?
So many are messed up on this. This even includes most religions, who supposedly take the vows of marriage so sacredly. You go to any church event with DH where his ex- (BM) is also present, and you’ll clearly see you’re thought of and will be treated as 2nd wife trash. This is even despite the fact that you as a SM may have never been married before. It’s absolutely horrible. It's also quite sexist. Meanwhile, if BM shows up with her new man/ husband, they'll both be doted on.
Your husband disgusts me. He
Your husband disgusts me. He is treating you like crap by allowing BM to come to these events and by entertaining having these conversations with her. She is way to present in his life. This is not her this is him he is allowing it because he likes the attention and he likes hearing that this woman still loves him. It strokes his ego and it keeps you insecure which I'm sure helps him get what he wants from you. by keeping his current wife on her toes she's going to be extra obedient and try to please him, am I right? He's enjoying having you to fight for his affections. I hate to even mention this but I really do wonder when the last time they had sex was because it sure as hell has been less than 10 years ago when they first split.
I'd love to see the look on
I'd love to see the look on your H's face if you had an X constantly come around and you treat it like "its no big deal" and he should just suck it up. I mean really....what the h@ck is wrong with this man and the entire family?!?
No way you can continue letting this continue OP. You either stand up for yourself NOW or accept that this will be your life.
Maybe he needs a therapist to
Maybe he needs a therapist to explain how inappropriate this is to him? Would he go to couples therapy with you?
I could also see the option of trying to humilliate him and his ex in front of everyone, if you think you could pull it off. A well timed comment in a group setting where you laugh about her trying to get back with your husband could stop this nonsense. It could also just blow everything up and make it all worse and make you seem insecure...so it is a risky move.
Another option is to get his family on your side so that they stop inviting her and stop tolerating it when she crashes celebrations.
Here's a gem I learned from a
Here's a gem I learned from a good therapist. Anyone who is not a friend of our marriage cannot be a friend to either person in the marriage. Period.
BM has made her intentions perfectly clear, and she is no friend of your marriage! Your DH needs to make HIS intentions perfectly clear and protect his marriage to you. By doing nothing he is subtly encouraging her creepy behavior and in the process you are losing faith and trust in your husband. That's no way to live. .
This would be a hill to die on for me.
We never lived nearer than
We never lived nearer than 1200 miles from the SpermIdiot. So, his pathetic efforts to reconcile with my DW were through manipulation of the Skid.
For a number of years early in our marriage SS would come home form spermLand with the SpermIdiot's shit and ask "Mom, DaddyDickhead wants to know if you still love him." She would tell SS that she was married to me and that DickHead needs to stop asking SS those questions. (We never referred to him as DickHead.)
DickHead did call a number of times over the years crying about how he loved her and missed his family, whaaaaaaaaaaa! No mention of the three younger spawn and other two baby mamas of course.
DW would laugh at him then ask him is he wanted to speak to his son.
When he was 22 SS-27 asked me to adopt him. We made that happen. DW, SS and I visited SpermLand to spend time with my ILs last year (2019) and SS spent an afternoon with SpermGrandHag and his three younger also out of wedlock SpermIdiot spawned half sibs. She called the Spermdiot to come over and his answer was "Why would I want to do that?". So SpermGrandHag handed SS the phone. He answered DickHead's question by sayin "Because I am only here for a few hours you asshole!". So the SpermIdiot came over. After they hung up the phone SpermGrandHag told SS she was glad that he had grown up with a father who loved him and was a good example.
For the last half of his growing up whenever DickHead would go into his "I still love your mom sooooo much, does she still love me?" crap SS would laugh in his face, tell him to knock it off, that his mom was happily married and that she loved his dad very much. Of course, "Dad" was, is and always will be..... me.