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Adult Step children and Disengagement

Jojab1636's picture

For those that disengage, I was wondering how you handle it when stepchildren want come to the house (the house that my DH and I pay for).  Do you stay or do you leave?

For background purposes I will provide a little information.  I have a SD who is 26 and one that is 30.  The 26 year old and her little one moved to TX to be close to her Mom who pays for everything.  The father of the little kiddo is in prison for meth distribution which was a HUGE surprise to all. Therefore, no child support.  She was the mini wife and thank god she moved. The 30 year old lives 10 blocks away.  She is single (rightfully so) The 30 year old, in my words, is bi-polar depressive.  You never know what you are going to get and when.  You don't know what is going to set her off either.  It is like walking on egg shells when she is around.  They both have issues with lying, lying about me so that they can always play the victim.  Last November, before Thanksgiving 30SD sent me a very bitter and hateful email about how I am not family and never will be.  How I am sucking the money out of HER Dad's account,that is for her and her sister and  how I am driving a wedge between them and their dad, blah, blah, blah.  I am more than sure that the 26 year old was the co-author of this email.  Therefore, this hate is coming from both of them, the older SD was just the one who pressed "send" .  After recieving this hateful email  I didn't feel comfortable with her in the house.  I  just don't feel she is happy or well and don't feel safe in my house.  When I first got the nasty hate email, I told DH that she was not allowed in the house.  DH read the email and agreed to that.  He was shocked at the nastiness of the email .

Her dog became adruptly deathly ill about a month ago. (She dumped her non-pottied trained dog off on her Dad when she lived with us a while ago and the dog has been with us for sometime now because, ironcially enough, she can't find housing that will take dogs.  I don't beleive that in a heartbeat.)  We all thought the dog was on his way out.  My heart overruled and said that she could come over and see her dog because I was sure this was it. The agreement was that she stay in the family room and away from me.  Well, the dog is not 100% but made a come back.  Now she thinks and wants to come over like she used to.  She noted to me that it is more her house than hers because her Daddee pays for everything.  Not true but how do you talk to crazy?  My question is how do manage disengagement when your evil spawn come over?  Do you leave the house?  Or do you stay?  If you stay do you like go to your bedroom (or safe space- lol) and stay there most of the time or do you go about "doing your thing".? Part of me says stay in the house and not let her think she has control of all of this.  However, I get sick to my stomach when she comes over and have absolutely no desire to be remotely close to her so maybe leaving is the better thing?

What do you experienced people do in these situations.

Thank you for listening!

Kaylene

 

 

 

 

 

 

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notasm3's picture

Put that barrier back up NOW.  Do not ever allow ahole adults in your home.  My husband could be dying in our home, and I would not let SS34 set foot in our home.

Jojab1636's picture

These girls have lived in the same house as us for about 5 years.  They finally went there own ways about 4 years ago.  We got along for the most part until about a 1.5 ago.or at least we pretended to.  I am not sure what I did recently to get the bitterness and cold shoulder.  I say that sarcasticlly because neither of them take responsiblity for their actions and they tend to lie or exaggerate in order to make themeselves look like victims.  They say because they have memories in the house they should be able to come in the house.  

Winterglow's picture

I have memories in lots of places but that doesn't mean I can go barging in there. 

Tell your dh that what happened was a exception and not the rule and that you are going back to the situation before the dog got sick. Your home is your castle, you should feel safe and comfortable there. Don't let them push you out of your home!

shamds's picture

since i marriedy husband that i feel any apology doesn’t repair the damage done. The emotional abuse I tolerated that hubby refused to address until i told him i wanted a divorce and was the 1st time hubby put his foot down

when hubby messages me from work and says ss is coming home from university today, i don’t reply, i feel angry and depressed but i just go about my day.

i will not let any arsehole skids ruin my home living environment, force me to lock myself in my room. I go about my day and ignore him completely. He doesn’t talk to me and i don’t talk to him.

hubby knows i am done from any relationship with skids including his daughters who live in another state. I refuse to be present at any events all skids will be at. I do this for my own sanity and comfort

Thumper's picture

Your husband allows his adult kids to treat you like crap in your own home?

I am sorry.

 

 

 

 

Jojab1636's picture

This is interesting. It is either he didn't hear anything or doesn't remember.  I can feel the darts shooting into the back of my head when my back is turned.  I can just "feel" the hate in the room.  He has no clue.  Until he sees it - it is hard for him to think they would do such a thing.  It has been going on for a long time.  However, the older SD (pretty sure she was the co-author )did me a favor and sent me an email about how I am not family, I am stealing their money, I am driving a wedge in addition to what they thgouth of me.  It was nasty.  She gave me the hard truth in writing and I shared with my DH.  He was shocked.

Exjuliemccoy's picture

Insist on couples counseling with a therapist experienced in step dynamics. Screen before choosing one, and bonus of you can find one who's a SM.

Drag the issues out on the open and shine a bright light on them in an environment where your H can't excuse, ignore, deny, or rugsweep them.

Jojab1636's picture

We have been meeting with a good counselor - I feel.  After my husband stood up for me with the 29SD she sent him the most horrific, nasty, bitter text to him.  So, my husband wanted to meet with the counselor to discuss how to respond to this hate.  I am impressed that my husband did not make any excuses for her.  I think he is having flash backs from his ex-wife.  I don't think the apple has fallen to far from the tree.  In this note she said she didn't want a relationship with him and how he should never have been a parent.  He was so hurt.  Welcome to my world honey - but I did feel bad as he has done so much for these two.  It is sad to watch.  Fast forward two weeks:  she needed help with moving - LOL.  She said that she loved him again and all is fine. She said she doesn't want anything to do with me and when things fall apart with the two of us she will be waiting to support him.  LOL -she is not well!!!

 

Exjuliemccoy's picture

What did your H have to say about this? Does he intend to help her move? This is such brazen, manipulative behavior, and I hope your H doesn't enable her.

This is a delicate subject, but I hope you and your H have your affairs in order - and I mean good and tight, with an executor in place who will protect you from the crazy. If your H predeceases you, those skids are going to come at you hard.

Jojab1636's picture

This is interesting. It is either he didn't hear anything or doesn't remember.  I can feel the darts shooting into the back of my head when my back is turned.  I can just "feel" the hate in the room.  He has no clue.  Until he sees it - it is hard for him to think they would do such a thing.  It has been going on for a long time.  However, the older SD (pretty sure she was the co-author )did me a favor and sent me an email about how I am not family, I am stealing their money, I am driving a wedge in addition to what they thgouth of me.  It was nasty.  She gave me the hard truth in writing and I shared with my DH.  He was shocked.

hereiam's picture

If I had an evil step daughter, she wouldn't be allowed in my home. Period.

Mountains's picture

not allowed - lots of hotels nearby (SKIDS live a days drive away)...no respect, no entrance.  My sannctuary begins at the front door.

Wilhelm's picture

You both have to agree unless this adult child has apoligised and truly is repentant she should not be in your house. Do not ever let her get a key . Do not leave for her to visit. 

It is your home. It is unfair if anyone expects you to accept anyone who is rude to you into your home.

Somehow these children convince themselves that everything Dad has is automatically theirs even though they can see the evidence that you both have a part in ownership. If DH wants to see her Inwould suggest he take the dog fir a walk in the park and meet her there.

Jojab1636's picture

unfortunately both girls lived here up until 4 years ago and both have a key. My fault for not changing the locks. I can still do that but I’m getting to the point where maybe I should just get my own place when she decides to come over. The younger SD had s tendency to take my stuff and this would solve that.  Thanks for your suggestions but mostly fir the support. There are times I feel like such s nasty person..go figure?!

 

 

marblefawn's picture

When I disengaged, I made it clear SD was not welcome here so my husband would have to meet her elsewhere. I didn't want to be put in a position of leaving when she came, and like you, I couldn't stand the sight of her. That might seem drastic, especially because SD lives 1.5 hours away, but I knew if I started leaving when she came, it might become a regular thing and then I'd have to fight to reduce her visits -- and of course, I'd be the bad guy again. Keeping my space clear of even a threat of her visiting has put my mind at ease and nearly eliminated that pest from my consciousness.

My husband has respected that boundary and goes to see her.

With your SD living so close, you might end up leaving your house a lot to avoid her. Think about that before you decide how to handle this because if you do it once, it's that much harder to change how it's handle the next time.

Unfortunately, I had to fight hard to get a little space in my own marriage and keeping it has been hard, so I set a very tight, firm boundary that generously benefits me when there's a territory issue. That's the least I deserve to make up for how hard I had to work to gain that ground in the first place.

Be generous to yourself with your demands. If you have to compromise, you'll end up with nothing, so start out big. If you don't want to leave and you don't want her in your space, just draw that boundary and don't give it up.

 

Jojab1636's picture

She had planned to come over this afternoon. I said no- not until she sought out help.  That went down hill fast.  Normally I am very accommodating, try to be fair about all this but I heard her say something inappropriate on the phone about me to my husband and I lost it. I told her that if she had something to say to me to say it directly to me. Not DH.  I told her she knew where I lived.  She then yelled things on the phone I couldn’t hear so I asked DH to put her on speaker phone and get it all out on the table. We were all there. DH, I’m sure was shocked at my response and wouldn’t put her on speaker phone. She then told DH that she and her sister would never talk to him again and hung up. I’m in big trouble now!!

Monkeysee's picture

I agree with the others, no way does she get to visit in your home the way she used to. That boundary goes back in place & your DH can visit her elsewhere.

The fact she believes you’re stealing from her & her sister is ridiculous, and it doesn’t make the house more ‘hers’ in any stretch of the imagination. That’s dillusional. Draw the line in the sand & make sure your DH follows through. Hateful, toxic people have no place within your home.

shamds's picture

The 2 sd would still claim they 3 are all stealing money and inheritance from the 2 girls and they would threaten to take them to court when daddy dies to prove it.

this is why i think its smart in the usual scenario where skids are not on good terms with the stepparent and any kids from the marriage/relationship that something is done by way of a will or separate savings to ensure skids don’t put you through hell taking you to court.

someone posted on st that exwife said that if exhusband died soon she should get his estate since she had been married to him the longest and cut the new wife out

my husband has told his 3 kids with ex (sd23, ss almost 21, sd14), that should he die, he will be leaving estate to me to manage. A majority of his life savings are actually from life after divorcing exwife (she had stolen money from private savings of his illegally before divorce), we have 2 toddlers currently and all hubby is financially responsible for is sd14 which bio mum knew she didn’t have any room to use her kids to manipulate hubby into money caring for them but she had eldest daughter lecture hubby he musn’t forget about child support to all 3 skids like they are the centre of his universe. 

Hubby doesn’t trust skids to be ethical in managing his estate as they are 100% controlled by bio mum so the majority of his savings from bonuses etc he has told his employer superannuation fund to appoint me executor of his estate.

should it happen all kids including ours  are adults, then i’m sure money is split equally or according to hubbys wishes but currently only he has told me he would gift a lump sum to each of 3 skids, the rest is for me to manage.

my 2 sd abandoned hubby for 5 years (this is the time he gained his savings as he was promoted rapidly at work) so for hubby he doesn’t feel they are automatically entitled to his assets/money he earned when they have been a never ending source of pain and disrespect. This entitlement that just because you exist as a child that you automatically get their life savings is a reason why parents now often in retirement spend most of it travelling around the world because thats their hard earned money and they want their kids to learn to work hard just like they did

my husband is staunchly against exwife getting any of his money via my skids or using them as pawns to get it because although she was married to hubby 14 yrs, she never helped support him in his career, she did everything to stress him out and sabotage it.

me on the other hand when times are tough and stressful and hubby confudes in me, i always supoort him and try to motivate him so hubby is able to focus on his great career and i’m happy as a sahm to our 2 toddlers for now even though there are plenty of shitty days to deal with. 

Livingoutloud's picture

Your DH could take a dog and go visit SD or they could meet in the park. Absolutely under no circumstances I’d allow her to come visit your house 

tog redux's picture

I agree with the others - this SD should not be in your home, given how rude she has been to you.  No way should you have to leave because DH wants her to come over, after all that she's said to you.  Would you ever invite someone else who has been that rude to you into your home?  

BTW, she probably has Borderline Personality Disorder, not Bipolar Disorder.  

 

Jojab1636's picture

I thought about the personality disorder too. She needs to get whatever it is addressed. She can turn on a dime! Thx for the input!

CLove's picture

Absolutely do not allow your sanctuary to be violated and sullied by toxic waste such as these two SDs.

My DH knows that Toxic Feral is sick in the head. She has accued him on multiple occasions of abuse, has poured hate on both of us. She can visit with her father outside our shared sanctuary. Even munchkin sd12 knows this!

Feral is such a filthy, rude pig, when she requested to move back in with us, he said "no, if we are such horrible people, nothing will be different, work it out with your mother." End of texts from her!!!!

IWillSurvive62's picture

I am also new to disengagement.  I have tried both ways - leaving the house during adult skids visits and being present but engaged in other activities.  My choice often depends upon what I think I can handle that day, lol! 

I began my process 3 months ago after a family funeral.  Interesting how death brings out the worst in people.  Out of 5 adult skids, my DH has been estranged from 2 adult sons for 8 years.  They showed up uninvited at the funeral of their aunt and 2 adult daughters suddenly aligned with them and I became the bad guy in less than 45 minutes at the reception.  Step daughters who had pledged loyalty to their father and me, also previously estranged from their brothers,  suddenly switched sides.  They were circling the wagons.  

I agree it’s a shame there were sides to begin with but the back story of the estrangement is basically a result of the two sons suing their father’s company, turning their backs on him during a cancer battle and opening a competing business, which failed.  It divided the family.  No apologies have ever been rendered.

Truthfully, I’m not a quitter; I’ve been at this for 45 years and to step away was  to accept that I can’t make this work and don’t want to try any more.  I have to preserve my own sanity.

My SD’s are 56 and 61.  Their father is 83 and not in the best of health.  The 2 SS’s are 47 and 50.  To make a long story shorter, the skids enjoyed their reunion and formed a new alliance.  

I received a text from SD 56, erroneously,  that was meant for SD 61 during the reception.   It clarified my new position.  Eye opener, oh yes, when you receive a text about yourself.  That was the moment I made a pledge to “step” away.  Without me cooking family dinners, arranging holidays and funerals, and keeping the lines of communication open, they could have those positions!  The results have been amazing to say the least.  Since I’m not communicating, there hasn’t been much interaction, just a few “drop by” visits.    My DH has decided we need to be out of town for Father’s Day and spend a weekend with our 2 biological children, 33 and 36, without the drama that goes along with the entire tribe.  We are getting older and just want peaceful holidays and get-togethers.  I’ll keep you all posted on the progress! 

Just  for the record, I now refuse to answer the phone when caller  ID identifies a SD!  They can leave a message or call their father on his cell.  

step to grown children's picture

I admire your resilience and strength but I am starting to wonder if this is all worth it?

My husband and I do not have bio kids but have been together for 10 yrs and now seems like so much hate and resentment fills our lives.

I just want to enjoy the rest of my life, I dont need material things, trips, jewelry, etc (though not to have) I'm just not a materialistic person...I just want peace