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AshMar654's picture

I am so frustrated at this point. I usually try not to engage with arguing with a 9 year old but this morning I slipped. Typically I can ignore and just move one but not this morning. I ask you excited about g-parents coming up and talking about missing a few days of the summer program and I will pull him out. He seemed a little like hesitant so I said do not worry you will not miss trips. The rest follows:

SS: How do you know what days I have trips?
Ash: Last year you had two trips a week and usually on Friday you didn't.
SS: Yeah but I am in the big kid group.
Ash: I know but I remember the calendar from last year.k
SS: We went on three trips a week last year
Ash: No you did you went on two a week
SS: No it was .....
ASH: It was two, I think like one week maybe two you had three but it was usually 2.
SS: No it was three I remeber
Ash: No you are wrong I would know.
SS: Fine whatever you are right
Ash: I know I a right
Drop him off get out the car.
Ash: Why do you argue and tell me I am wrong
SS: I am going at ask Miss A.
Ash: You are pissing me off right now. I have had enough of this I am the adult I would know. You are so close to losing going to the hockey game this weekend with your Aunt. Bye I love you.

Last night SO was helping him with his book project and giving him suggestions to make it look nice. Nope SS ignored rushed through it. Looked like crap and it had words not spelled right and everything. I asked him if you saw a friend present this what grade do you think they should get, he said a bad one. He had to redo it. He just refused to listen to SO. I get some normal kid behavior.

I am really starting to think that the whole family dynamic and the unsteady routine have way more negative effect than I thought. Let's face it SO's mom never really respected SO as a parent and flat our ignored him in front of SS. I love my SO and he is doing a great job these days and really did step up we have a very equal partnership and we both parent pretty equal.

I am so frustrated that I am having to unravel such behaviors. SO is doing it to. I get angry at times because I think why did he let this happen, why didn't he be more involved, why did it take moving in together for him to really fully be a parent and step up big time. Why when he was on the road those few years not call in like every other day to make sure things were good. Why didn't he stand up to his parents more? Why did he let them have to much power? I think he sees what happened before was a mistake and is trying really hard to fix. Damn why did his parent have to enable to much and why did he just stick his head in the sand for so many years and just let things happen.

Just venting been a trying day.

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DaizyDuke's picture

I don't know if anyone is to blame here, I think you just have a normal kid.  I have an 8 year old and he just recently reached the age where he thinks he knows everything and will argue with me and DH about trivial things like you spoke of. I think it's just the "age" and he will most likely move on to some new annoying phase soon.  I think it might be harder for you because you started later in the game.  Like I realize this is a phase with BS8 because I've been there for all his phases. 

BS8 just this year started rushing through some of his school work (spelling/writing mostly) because he doesn't like it.  Again, I think that is normal for boys this age.  BS is also extremely competitive and tends to rush through his work at school, simply because he wants to be "first".  

Just continue to redirect, correct and support and before you know it he'll be graduated and in college.  

AshMar654's picture

Thanks, I think I am just tired at this point. After dealing with SO's mom and the video chat this weekend and how she just ignored us and even told SS at one point don't pay attention to them listen to me. I was talking to him to tell him something to tell her. She is so rude.

I just think the last several days of non-stop arguing and not listening has gotten to me. I am sure it is typical behavior but times I do wonder if SS learned this argumentative behavior from his g-mom as the sound a like when they fight back.

ESMOD's picture

If it makes you feel any better, I think that it's not unusual for kids to be know-it-alls around that age.  They also start to be more willing to back talk and disagree with authority figures.

I know it's frustrating and it has been a long time for you to realize that your DH let his parents carry most of the weight raising his kid before you were on the scene.  Now, I'm sure he did some "play-daddy" for appearances and because he thought it would make him more attractive to you.  Not too different from the girls who try on the 'wife' hat and start to act like Suzy homemaker when they are dating a guy. 

Why he let his parents do it?  A variety of reasons.. .He may have been lazy... stuck in a parent/child dynamic with his parents..was out of town.. was being selfish and liked that he could live his life without that responsibility.

Now, with you there to guide him, he seems more willing to step up.. again.. many reasons.. out of parent's home.. more mature...job without travel and he wants to please you.

There isn't much you can do about the past.. all you can do is deal with the now.

When the kid started arguing about pesky details.. you could have cut him off by saying.  "It doesn't matter whether it was one, two or three.  The bottom line is we will try to avoid missing trips.  Your grandparents won't be here very long, so it's unlikely to interfere with many if any of them.  If it does..turn out that a trip overlaps, your dad will decide whether you need to miss it or not."

 

ProbablyAlreadyInsane's picture

He's just being a kid. SD9 "remembers" things all the time too. It's not that she's lying, it's just that she honestly remembers it that way, and I think it's human nature to not want to be told you're wrong. Being able to admit when you're wrong is definitely a trait learned as we age.

Sorry it's been so frustrating! I get frustrated too sometimes with it!

notarelative's picture

Arguing about something not set yet is pointless. No matter what they did last year, the camp / daycare may do it differently this year. What was done last year does not always predict accurately what will happen this year.

In the short term, now and those soon to be upcoming teen years, the arguing is aggravating, but if you want to raise a child to a independent adult, it comes with the territory.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/surviving-your-childs-adolescenc...

DPW's picture

You are giving him too much power by arguing with him. He thinks he's at your level which is the same as what his family has done. You have to remain control. Kids this age will challenge you over and over again.

 

twoviewpoints's picture

Don't fight with a nine year old. You two were fighting over something that is yet in the future (this summer). Plenty of time to work out what will be what and how any time in and out of the summer program will be handled. 

Arguing will get him nowhere except for in trouble for agruing. I use to tell my kids when they were younger that running their mouths would get them in more trouble than shutting up would. That p*ssing off the mommy was not a good idea. 

I'll assume you were partially both correct. Most weeks had two trips, but at least one week had three. Does it matter in March? I got the impression the kid really enjoyed the program last summer and the trips were especially something he looked forward to and liked participating in. Doesn't sound as if he wants to miss out on the trips this summer. Actually, though he was wrong to fight with you, it is a good sign that he seems more interested in the program and trips than taking time off to hang with the visiting grandparents. 

Grandparents are going to be around perhaps up to a whole month. Plenty of time to see them and still attend the majority of the program and all the fun stuff it concludes. Kid is not as dependent on his grandparents as he once was. He's discovered there is a social life out there with his peers that don't include them. I take that as a sign that kiddo is adjusting well to life with Dad and SM's home.

Unless it is a pre-planned 'family' day (meaning a day where everyone in the family is doing an outing or Dad and you and kid are doing a mini vacation) I'd not take him ut of his summer program at all. His extended family (Aunt and grandparents) can see him in evenings and on weekends. Let him have his normal summer routine. It'll also show the grandparents that kiddo is adjusting just fine and doing well without their use-to-be daily argument. 

As to the actual argument, don't argue with him. Simply tell the little know it all that talking back to you isn't acceptable behavior. That it can and will get him in hot water because it is disrespectful. That when summer program starts and itinerary schedule is known Dad and you will see to it that he has a chance to attend all the activities that are possible pending the family activities that are also being planned. 

The homework project? Kid knew he blew off and did the assignment poorly. So does Dad and you. Dad attempted to correct the laziness of project and kid refused. So when kid brings home the bad grade, Dad hands out an appropriate penalty. The kid had his chance to avoid the penalty. He blew it off. Let the kid learn this lesson the hard way. 

AshMar654's picture

Thank you, Lots of good advice here. We have done let the kid get the bad grade and suffer the consequences. He has suffered them in the past it just does not stick. We have taken things away for rushing and bringing home a bad grade so many times it is not even funny at this point.

Tried different methods, different things to get him to slow down and take his time. He still rushes, he does not really care if he gets a bad grade. He likes getting good grades but in the end it does not really matter. Oh wait is that because in the past when he did something wrong, or did bad in school, it was always taking away his tablet and that was it. He would still get to go to aunt's and be spoiled and have fun.

It is slowly registering with him he screws up we as the adults will say he can not something and take it away. It has changed in our home a lot on this. He gets it some. It is taking time for him to get that is actions has consequences because they never really did.