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Unhappy's picture

So I have been thinking a lot lately about an issue with DH that drives me nuts. I'll just start with what happened this morning after DH took off from work with SS(5).

I got up and got ready for work and then proceeded to wake the kids up. SD(7) and my BD(7) got up just fine and got dressed. When I went to wake up SS(5) he just laid there, ignored my request, and kept sleeping. Now in the mornings I don't have time for this so I walked out into the kitchen packed my lunch, made coffee, and got the girls their breakfast. I went back into SS's room and tried to get him up again. Again he lays there and ignores me. I literally had to pull his balnkets off of him, pull him out of bed, and set him on the floor in front of his dresser. As soon as I let go he just flopped over and tried to go back to sleep or as I refer to it, not listen. At that point I told him that if he couldn't manage to get up and get dressed that he was going to lose his movie in bed and go to bed early because he obviously didn't get enough sleep last night. That was when I finally got a resonpse out of him. Did he get himself dressed? I have no clue because DH came home right after that to pick up both SD and SS to take them to daycare. He asked me where SS was and I told him about my efforts of trying to get SS up which DH thought was funny. He went back into SS's room and I'm assuming helped pick out his clothes and made him get dressed. DH came out of SS's room and stood at the end of the hallway and asked SS to come and eat breakfast. Did SS come to eat breakfast? Nope. So DH asks him repeatedly to come and eat breakfast with still no response from SS. Finally DH has to yell at him to come and eat in order to get him to listen which worked.

SS comes down the hallway and climbs up in his chair and sits there with an evil little glare on his face. When I tried to explain to him that if the girls acted that way they would go bed early and lose their movie in bed I got the if looks could kill I'd be dead look from him. I started to talk to DH about it and of course he thinks it's funny and starts laughing right in front of SS. I actually had to tell him that it's not funny and that he starts kindergarten this year I can't afford for him to act this way in the morning when I have a job I have to get to by a certain time. At that point DH started to take me seriously.

DH pours a bowl of cereal and asks SS to eat his breakfast. No response from SS. He just sits in his chair with his evil glare and doesn't move or say a thing. Finally I told DH that was it. He is obviously so tiered that he can't even act nice or listen and that he lost his movie and is going to bed early which DH agreed with.

Now DH has a problem getting caught up in these power struggles and will ask the kid to do things repeatedly until he finally has to yell in order to get a response. He doesn't quite get the concept of him being an adult the kids are children so instead of watching him ask SS repeatedly to eat his breakfast I told he already asked and if SS chose to not eat then he could go to daycare hungry. His choice. DH shouldn't have to beg, yell, or bribe his son into listening.

It just drives me insane. It was the same thing last night when he asked his son to pick up the game he got out. He would ask. His son would look at him and then turn around and ignore him over and over again. When SS finally did listen, instead of just putting the game back in the box and putting the box away he had to do it his way. I know it sounds wierd and I should just be happy that he fianlly listened but it's like he does it because, yay he's going to listen but he's still going to have control over the situation and in his eyes technially win the power struggle with DH because instead of doing it immediately like he was asked he's going to do it on his time. He does the same thing with time outs. DH will ask him go and stand some where in the house but instead of standing there he'll go to some place within the general area. It's the, "I'll do what you want the way that I want to do it." He would never let his daughter get away with that type of behavior. I'm not asking him to dominate his son. But this kid gets away with murder and if you ask a child to do something they don't want to do they still need to listen.

I think that he is creating a little monster in the making if he can't get his son to understand that he needs to listen, not yell at DH, quit stomping off when he doesn't get his way, and so forth. SS isn't a bad kid, but he can't/won't listen to save his life and it's like that everyday. I'm tired of watching the outright disrespect towards DH and the fact that SS thinks that it's okay to just ignore an adult and have power struggles with them. He literally will not listen to DH until DH finally has to yell at him.

What do you guys think? Am I seeing the situation correctly here? Are they power struggles? I have never had this type of a problem with my BD. She knows that she needs to listen. I may have ask her more than once occasionally but I never have to yell to get her to listen to me.

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Unhappy's picture

He does the same thing with time outs. DH will ask him go and stand some where in the house but instead of standing there he'll go to some place within the general area. It's the, "I'll do what you want the way that I want to do it."

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Even if DH move him to the spot that he asked him to stand or sit SS will just move as soon as DH takes his hands off of him. Then DH will move him back and SS will just move again. This will go on until DH finally yells or SS wins.

Unhappy's picture

I think that your suggestions are great risingaboveit and I'm glad that I'm not the only one who sees a power strugle going on here. DH has gotten a lot better but he just doesn't see things when they happen sometimes. We just spoke about this and I don't think that SS is abd kid I do think that if this behavior isn't nipped in the butt it'll only get worse as he gets older. He already feels that it's appropriate to challenge an adults authority when he is being asked to do something that he doesn't want to do and i completely agree with the fact that SS feela like he already won once DH starts yelling.

cant win for losin's picture

power struggle indeed, and ss is winning! how about a progressive punishment?

start with a clean slate. "from now on, ANYTIME i have to ask you MORE than ONCE to do x, y, z, it will automatically be 10 minutes off your bedtime."

And stick with it. EVERYTIME. I don't care even if that means that his bedtime got pushed up to 6 o'clock, he was told.

i bet a couple weeks with that, the struggle will become less and less. until it's gone.

i tried to do this with dh and his kid, but dh is the problem. he would still "threaten" to take time off bedtime instead of just doing it. And then when dh finally got back on track and kid had a good week, no problems, it went to piss again when the kid tried to test the waters again. dh never learned, which means kid never learns. but i saw it work. the frustrating part was dh saw it work too. sadly though, dh doesn't want to do the work himself.

Rags's picture

Kids so what they are told when they or told or they suffer consequences. It is pretty simple.

As my tagline says "If (a kid) can't listen adn learn then they will have to feel". So make SS-5 feel the consequences of his behavior.

I am a proponent of corporal punishment but in this case the solution is to let SS not eat and can suffer the consequences of intense hunger pains later. Direct cause and effect.

He is also old enough for rudimentary sentences. Print out the sentense "I will do what I am told." on the first line of a page, tell him what it means, held mim sound it out then let him copy it a couple of dozen times. As he gets older the sentences get longer and the number of sentences get bigger. When everyone else is having fun he will be writing sentences. This teaches in a hurry that if you are not doing what are supposed to when you are supposed to then when you are supposed to playing you are writing.

This acts as an early reading lesson, engages the kid in the meaning of the sentense then confirms the behavior you want as he writes it repeatedly.

When my SS in the sentense writing years this was the only thing we found that got his attention. Over the course of ~7yrs (7-14) he wrote tens of thousands of sentences.

I will do my homework and turn in in on time.
I will not lie and I will not keep information to myself when I am asked a question.
Etc................................

This is an effective punishment and it has the benefit of creating increadible hand writing in a kid. We had rules for sentences. One messy sentense and a number of sentences is added to the total (age appropriately). When he was in his teens a messy sentense restarted the entire count over. As he got older we also invoked a quota system for sentenses. To avoid daydreaming and to keep focus on the punishment he had to write a quota per hour (eg. 160/hr, etc...) and if he missed one hours quota he got no credit for the hour and had to add that number to the total.

This really does work as will any effective consequence. The key is to invoke the disciplinary action and hold the kid accountable for their behavior.

The younger they are the more difficult it is I think.

Good luck.

Unhappy's picture

Sentences are great Rags. I've tried that. In fact recently with SD for getting into the vitamins which she knows she is not supposed to do. I told her to write 25 sentences. She forgot what I had said right after I told her and went to DH and asked him and of course we can't actually have a punishment that might actually make in impact. Wouldn't want to hurt poor wittle babies feelers. So he has her write 10 which she can do in a couple of minutes. And there you go. ineffective parenting and his BD never follows the rules.

Jsmom's picture

If you don't call a kid out every single time they behave like this, you create a monster with inconsistency. I watched it with my SD16 and thankfully she is no longer in our lives. With SS13, he has the consistency now and he is a pleasure to be with. His grades are awesome now. All we have to say to him when he grumbles about something like brushing his hair is "XBOX" and he moves his butt quickly. Consistency will get you that.

I did it with BS17 from the begininng and he is a straight a student on track to attend one of the Top 5 prestigous engineering schools in the country.

Consistency and not tolerating BS from a kid is the best way to help them grow into productive people. BM disagreed with us and said we were micromanaging SD and she wants to be at the fun house. So she is and hase been for almost three years now. Her grades are barely passing and she is a bleach blonde slut in trouble most of the time. How is that consistency working for BM now?

My son last night referred to our getting full custody of SS13 as a social science experiment. He said it proved that consistency works....