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Hate... an easy thing to say... a hard thing to understand

ttina's picture

I have a hard time relating to parents who "hate" their kids. I read some of these posts and think... that isn't hate... it's frustration... or jealousy... or desperation... or ... or ...or. The thing is while you may hate the behavior, do you really hate the child? There was a time in my bioson's life where I didn't really like him... he was obstinant and contrary, but he was a child/early teen and this behavior is age appropriate, although it is not tolerated in our home.

Children are rarely truely mean on their own. They may have influences from the other parent. And if that is the case, is your anger with the child (who only wnats to be accepted) or the adult who is manipulation their OWN child's happiness in order to feel better about themselves?

In our home we treat the kids with respect and demand they do the same with us. We do not have the backstabbing I see on some of these posts. Granted DH's kids are 7 and 9, they haven't hit the teen years yet. BUT the 9 yo is autistic, but is still able to behave respectfully. The 7 yo has a problem with telling stories... we deal with each situation as it comes up. My 14 yo is no angel... he just recently got off restriction for being lazy in class. What it boils down to is we can't "make" these kids behave... we can show them how to behave and they will model us. If we were into screaming to get what we want, they would learn this behavior and think it was the way to get what they wanted. We have all the kids home during the week. I know it is harder to have respect when the EX is working against you and you only have the children EOW. But it can be done. I cherish all the time we have the kids. I feel lonely when they are at the other parent's houses. Kids know where they aren't wanted... would you act angelic if you were forced to spend time somewhere you weren't wanted?

I get jealous sometimes when BM is glorified by the kids... who wouldn't... but this woman is their momma. She has every right to their love. While I do not agree with her parenting abilities or style, that does not negate the fact that she is their momma.

My ex hasn't gotten into another relationship since I left. Not a real one anyways... he has had a friends with benefits... I;m sure... I do not know how I would feel if my son were introduced to a new "momma". My son is now 14 and I probably won't have to worry about it now, but I would want him to have a stepmomma who loved him, accepted him, corrected him, taught him how to behave. I would not interfere unless I felt my son were being damaged either physically or mentally. I would not expect my son to be catered to... I know it would be difficult because my ex is not a responsible type of person and would take the easy route v/s the correct route. I would want the new woman to be strong enough to negate my ex's failings.

Our life is far from ideal... my ex refuses to to pay child support unless we are in front of a judge, DH's ex doesn't pay adequate support, the kids have kid issues and the other parents throw their drama into our lives at regular intervals.

Think about it... do you really hate the child(ren)? Or do they annoy you... irritate you... remind you that DH has had a life without you... represent the physical act of sex with another... get child support that you do without for... get away with murder by your spouse.... gets items your child doesn't.... take time/energy you are used to getting from your spouse... Hating a child is a cowardly way of describing your feelings. It is easy to balme the child for what the adults around the children do. If I didn;t think I could be a good momma (step bio or otherwise) I wouldn't have brought children into my life... birth/marriage/otherwise.

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_Jess_'s picture

Sometimes hate is the only word for what I feel. When SD11 threatens the life of my unborn child...yes, I feel hate. And I won't apologize for it.

I don't hate her always...but there are moments.

ttina's picture

but do you honestly hate her... oh hate her action? An action like this should have the girl in counceling... it is not normal behavior for a child this age to threaten the life of another. Your SD should get help with her jealousy issues.

_Jess_'s picture

And yes, at the moment when she's saying those things, I think I do hate her. I feel a lot of resentment towards her for making my first, and likely my only pregnancy a completely miserable and anxiety provoking experience, and I'm not sure that I will ever be able to completely get over that.

I think perhaps you are arguing over semantics. I don't hate her all the time. In those moments, I feel no love for her though.

Lace Lady's picture

I wonder if she doesn't do that just to get a reaction out of you. I wouldn't put up with it, & I would't care who didn't like it.

Cajun Lady

Sita Tara's picture

I think it's so complicated. I used to deeply love SD, but now I do not like her, not even one little bit. If I could walk away and have nothing more to do with her at this point I actually think I would. I can't. Well I won't because I deeply love her father. I actually realized the other day that should I ever lose DH I will never again take on being a SM. I am completely jaded. And my kids have a fabulous SM that I get along with swimmingly.

I do, however, HATE SD's personality disorder, and that's a core part of her. SD knows it too, but since she doesn't even know and will likely never believe she has the disorder, she interprets my frustration with her behavior as hating her, which in turn justifies her hating me.

I also hate that her drama has been the focus in my home in one way or another for the past four years. I hate that if things are going well, if everyone is getting along and having a good time, SD will sabotage it all by causing conflict to pull the focus back onto her. I hate her obsessions with food and the consumption of it, her lack of care, compassion and respect for anyone unless they are serving her in some way. I hate her egocentric, compulsive, impulsive, attention seeking, hostile, self absorbed, hyper, ritualistic ways.

SD is not my child, and due to her mental issues will flip back and forth from wanting to be mine to loathing my existence. And that I will only tolerate (and even that's getting harder to bear) until she turns 18. Then I will in fact...walk away from her.

I have had to mourn the SD I thought I knew the past three years, the one who used to want to call me mom, before BM brainwashed her with neon padded push up bras, letting SD set her own itinerary when she is with her, establishing no age appropriate rules for her there, and allowing her to escape life into food, a computer, material gifts, and constant diversions with friends rather than spend time with her herself. You see, my SD's love, loyalty and adoration is easily bought. And I don't choose to pay the price.

And lastly...I HATE that with every new fire SD starts for us that we have to scramble to put out, I have had to come to terms with the fact that she is, wants to be, and will be just like her mother. Who so hates me she prefers to pretend I don't exist. I have been trying NOT to HATE that woman for four solid years now.

As for SD...the thin line gets thinner every day.

“I never gave away anything without wishing I had kept it; nor kept it without wishing I had given it away.” ~Louise Brooks

Sia's picture

put things into words I cannot. This is EXACTLY how I have felt for years. And even though SD is only 16, I HAVE walked away. I have also walked away from SD18 who is pregnant and not married, living on welfare with BM. I feel horribly bad for DH as he will NEVER know his grandchild, but I personally will never have anything to do with either of them. At this point, it would not matter to me what they said or did. DH still talks to SD16 weekly, but I refuse to be a part of that. She has done some horrible things, things I cannot forget. As for hating the child, NO I do not hate her, but like you said, it is a VERY thin line.

Sita Tara's picture

He was very quiet, but understands. I think it's so hard on him. He never underminds me and for that I am incredibly lucky. If it weren't for our very sound, stable, caring, supportive relationship SD and BM would have definitely succeeded in causing us to become another second marriage statistic.

I am in the process of disengaging. Can't remember who posted that article, but I am really focused on myself and my sons and Anna right now. SD can watch me as a role model (she won't, believe me. My life of seeking to serve others and grow spiritually is dull to her right now. She used to find it appealing, but BM's purchase power has won out. I will still do one or two things I promised her, such as getting her involved in a positive woman's advocacy group, and also starting a writer's retreat for teen girls. I don't think she'll honestly really be interested in it now though. She is all about instant gratification.

Today she left her school notebooks out. There was a note telling a friend that her dad hits her and threw a heater at her last week. Lies.

The sad part is I think she tells them to herself enough to believe them.

“I never gave away anything without wishing I had kept it; nor kept it without wishing I had given it away.” ~Louise Brooks

ttina's picture

I am not judging... I am trying to understand. I actually don't "hate" anybody. I severly dislike my ex. I dislike my DH's ex, I am apathetic to people, but hate is sooooo far out of my realm of thinking. I have been taken advantage of, mistreated, threatened. I have also been inconsiteriate and selfish. My ex says he hates me, but I have done nothing other than leaving him (he has drug issues) and expecting child support for his son. I have worked with children for years and I have had had alllll kinds of issues with misbehavior, maliciousness, pettiness, whatever... I have had things stolen, been pushed, called out of my name, etc... but these are children.... I can't hate a child. Ohhhh I can hate their action... the theft, physical confrontation, vile language, but the child... the child is only acting as they have been taught. I am talking young children... ones who have not had a positive role model. Who have only had pettiness taught to them, who haven't ever been shown how to deal with jealousy and whose parents facilitate thier behavior... these children are parroting what they have been taught. By "hating them back" what am I teaching these children? That it is okay to be a snot, as long as somebody else was a snot first?. What I want to teach children I interact with (bio/step/whatever)is that they are worth loving... and I may be angry, frustrated, etc at the moment, but that I do love them, they are God's creatures. They only act as they have been taught and don't know enough about the world to realize that they are being used for their own parent's agandas. I am not going to be one to facilitate the lesson that love and acceptance comes with conditions. I wonder how many adults (bio/step/whatever) would step back from a reationship if they were told... I can love you forever and ever... as long as you don't look like your momma/daddy.

Granted in the situation of a 35 year old woman there is a difference. At age 35, I would like to think that she was old enough to understand that she isn't the only person in the world.

Sita Tara's picture

I believe I was so upset with all of these feelings one day last Nov, that I did a web search for dealing with the feelings of "hating my SD" and a post by heartofthorns from Oct 30, 2007 popped up in my browser. She never posted again and I don't even know if she's still here.

But her post is the exact reason I am here. I knew if someone could write that...something that most of us consider an unspeakable sin against a child out in our every day lives...that this was my safe haven. I knew then and there I could be completely honest with the SM struggle, the overwhelming dread I feel having to constantly try to help modify SD's reckless or eccentric behavior, and would find friends who understood.

So even if Tina doesn't understand....well I guess I can understand that. I know that a few years ago I never would have imagined feeling the way I do, even in the first year or so of knowing SD. When I was single, I had a few friends who were fighting a losing battle with bipolar or personality disorders. Those two are friends no longer. I had to walk away from their destructive ways. One is on probation for id theft now, and the other I tracked down and found her yahoo id in online sex addicts sites.

These two young women attached themselves to me, tried to emulate my independent, single mom, full time working/college student ways to the point of almost trying to become me. I always felt that I failed as a friend to them, because I couldn't help them to help themselves. BUT...I now realize they didn't come into my life to be taught. Like everyone they were here to teach me, so I could later recognize and try to reach SD through her illness.

However...they also taught me that it can't be done for anyone not interested in doing better. And if two young women in their early 20's weren't ready for that, than a 13 year old is not going to be either. We can only do so much, offer so much positive, constructive role modeling. If a child is determined to chose the path that feels good in the moment, I don't see how my being a writer, advocate, volunteer, stay at home mom will matter to SD. Those things don't get recognition, a paycheck or material gifts.

“I never gave away anything without wishing I had kept it; nor kept it without wishing I had given it away.” ~Louise Brooks

everythinghappens4areason's picture

It takes a lot of soul searching and personal realization that people are brought into our lives to teach us, not us teach them. Your words hit home for me.

Corie

Elizabeth's picture

But I hate her actions and I hate her personality and I hate what she's done to my family. I hate how she treats BDs 4 and 1 (her half-sisters), who want nothing more than to love and be loved in return. I hate how she has made my husband question my commitment to him. I hate how she makes me feel like I am tiptoeing around my own house. I hate the picture she gives BDs of how children speak to and treat their parents.

I don't hate the child. But there's not a lot to like there.

_Jess_'s picture

Thanks Stepping.

I'll just add that indifference is definitely not what I feel. That would be easier.

Sita Tara's picture

I really think I am headed here regarding my feelings about SD personally (not the behavior- that I truly hate.) Ironically, the more she senses me not caring the more combative and confrontational she becomes. BUT the more indifferent I become, the less attached I feel to how she turns out, or how she views me when she's older. It actually feels good, and this week I managed to stop stress eating and lost 5 pounds.

I'm sorry but, the choices she's made have brought us to this point. I have been painfully self aware since I was about 10, and have a very low tolerance for the art of manipulation.

“I never gave away anything without wishing I had kept it; nor kept it without wishing I had given it away.” ~Louise Brooks

Colorado Girl's picture

with the terminology "hate". I also have a hard time relating to stepparents who dislike their kids. I also do not have misbehaved step kids.

BUT, nowhere is written that we as "mothers" have to love our step kids. Nor do we have to respect them when there is no reciprocation.

I, personally, feel that I should at least attempt a relationship with my husband's daughters. I also would feel very differently should one of them start acting like some of the kids I've read about on this site (Jess and Zenmom come to mind).

"For every ailment under the sun....There is a remedy, or there is none;
If there be one, try to find it; If there be none, never mind it." ~ W.W. Bartley

ColorMeGone2's picture

But I can also say that I have had moments of feeling deep frustration, anxiety and maybe even borderline hostility towards them because of behaviors they have exhibited towards their father (my DH) and because of lies they have told their mother about me. I don't hate them, although I have hated some of their actions and behaviors enough to wish they didn't exist. I don't even hate their mother. Mostly, I pity her for living such a shallow existence that the only things she cares to nurture in her life are her own hate and her own appearance, rather than her kids. I can't think of anyone that I truly hate. I can think of a lot of people that I am indifferent to, though.

♥ Georgia, the un-stepmom ♥

"Good men don't just happen. They have to be created by us women." (from ROSEANNE)

Georgie Girl's picture

Hate is such a strong word. I too can identify with hating someone's actions. My bs doesn't always please me with his choices, but I would never hate him. My skids don't always thrill me with their actions either. But hate them? No, I can't say that I do.

However, all nof our situations are different. If I felt my child was in danger I can't say that I would react very positively either.
I tried to get to know my skids and, at one time I truly wanted to have a relationship with them and in ways I still do, but have disengaged in most aspects. I have experienced such great dissapointment, hurt, betrayal and frustration at the hands of these kids that I have sort of "checked out" to save my own feelings.

I read another post dealing with mourning losses. I felt very much like the poster did in regards to mourning the losses that go along with being step. All of the things you don't expect. Like not being first. First marriage, family, not the mom etc... It can be heartbreaking at times.

Georgie

Georgie Girl's picture

I definately agree with you Cruella. If someone treats me like crap I won't go out of my way for them at all. No way, no how.
I refuse to be mistreated by anyone as well. Not bkids, skids or inlaws.
I will give them the benefit of the doubt once but I do have boundaries.
I guess I just have a hard time hating. It takes too much energy. I'd rather just let them know how I feel then disengage or check out when it comes to them if I have too. I won't allow myself to be brought into their issues.I don't think that the excuse that they are "just kids" is a valid one. I think that it is just bulls@&t.

Georgie
I am pretty reasonable but I could care less if the skids or mil like me or not and I think that they realize that. It would create less tension in my home, but it is not a requirement for me. Since I have begun to disengage, things have been a lot better for me. I let dh deal with his kids.

ttina's picture

I don't really care of not if the kids "like" me or not. It isn't the job of a parent to win a popularity contest. I remember "not liking" my momma. I demand respect and accountability. I will not be pushed around by any child, but I do not blame them for trying. That shows growth and independance. I would rather have a high spirited child than an atomoton or robot. My children can be my "friend" when they are grown, on their own as productive members of society.

Most Evil's picture

Hate is a hard thing to understand until you are treated the way some of the people here are. If everything is hunky dory of course you don't hate a child. But it is the child who is doing the things, not some spirit of someone else, it is the actual child doing it!

I myself used to feel guilty because of hating an ex. I was taught that is not Christian to hate someone. But a counselor gave me 'permission' to feel what I felt, until I didn't feel it any more. That is the only way I got over that feeling.

People here are venting and need to be able to say what they need to say.

"In the depths of winter I finally learned there was in me an invincible summer." -Albert Camus

ColorMeGone2's picture

And who amongst us is not human?

♥ Georgia, the un-stepmom ♥

"Good men don't just happen. They have to be created by us women." (from ROSEANNE)

ttina's picture

I do not negate that hate is a natural emotion. What I tell my kids is that it is okay to feel what they feel, but it is what they do with that emoition that is their choice.

Behavior is learned, taught, and observed. A child in elementery school will behave as they are taught. If they are taught to be rude, mean, and entitled that is the injustice done upon them by the adults in their lives. Everyone in the child's life must take responsibility for thir role in what they have produced.

Venting is a healthy action. It helps release the pressure cooker being a parent (bio/step/whatever) creates within a person. How many children are taught the proper way to vent thier frustration before they explode and become brats, monsters, or hellions?

ttina's picture

I wouldn't marry a man who would allow his children to walk all over me. I am a strongwilled person and will not tolerate being treated badly by any child. IF DH didn't back me that would be his choice, but if he expected his children to be in my home, he would back me. Just like I back him when it comes to my son. I would not expect my DH to live in a house as the father figure without giving him the rights of a father.... which includes dicipline.

What spoiled brats do is not vent, they complain. A vent is to release the frustration and then go on with life. The thing is, life has consequences... if you do not teach your child consequences then they will grow to be an entitled spoiled brat. If a child is never taught a consequence, then they were jipped by the adults in their lives.

Maybe it is different for me because we are the primary home to all the children. They are great kids... but they are kids... they have bad days and opinions... they have I don't wanna moments... They are just like my bioson. He is older, so I can see their stages happen just as his did.

Sita Tara's picture

But ours is a very complex situation with a few mental illnesses thrown in. My poor DH is forever having to try to contain SD. He gives her very strong consequences. When she started the rumor about her teacher, as well as asked the high school boys in the auto shop if they wanted a BJ and got in school suspension for three days, DH and I took every single privilege away from SD aside from books, puzzle, dinner with the family, and soccer games (practices weren't mandatory so she didn't get those.) For FOUR weeks. She was only allowed out of her room to shower, use the bathroom, or eat. We kept soccer because it's the one positive interest she's shown.

During that month, on her visitation time, BM allowed her to go to movies with friends alone on her weekends, sleepovers at friends, unlimited phone and computer. Quite simply I think she punished her from a few privileges to save face...for ONE weeknight visitation.

This is the inconsistency that leads to the child learning to work the situation. If we don't approve of a movie? SD will simply ask BM to rent it or drop her off. If we think her six pairs of jeans are enough? Fine- because BM still has at least one credit card that's not maxed out. No myspace or IM on our computer? No problem because BM lets her on her computer- no parental controls- for 12 hours at a time.

How are we supposed to model behavior with that as a contrast EOW and Weds?

“I never gave away anything without wishing I had kept it; nor kept it without wishing I had given it away.” ~Louise Brooks

ttina's picture

You are doing all you can. Unfortunately we cannot control what goes on at the other parent's watch. My allows son to do as he wants... from what he eats, to when to go to bed, to when he takes a shower. You are modeling positive behavior. It may not be immediate or even visible, but what you are shoing her is a positive way to run her life. If she chooses to follow her momma's footsteps, that is her choice. You cannot "make" the daughter see the error in her momma's ways. Time and experience will teach her the way the world works. Whether you know it or not, you are teaching her... she is just indulgent and self absorbed right now... as is common in teenagers. As you said your situation is unique with mental issues involved. This is where the momma is not doing her child any favors by being her daughter's friend.

Gwen's picture

I think a lot of the time behavior is learned, taught, observed, but that is not always the case. My best friend in my teens and 20s was raised in a gently religious household, by responsible, caring parents. His brother turned out beautifully and is an airline pilot with a lovely wife and two wonderful boys -- responsible, intelligent, balanced, caring, ethical. My friend, on the other hand, was a mess. He got lost in drugs, laziness and criminal-ish behavior. He ultimately committed suicide, five years ago.
I remain convinced he had a mental issue--I ceratinly know it didn't have anything to do with what he was taught or how he was parented. I spent a lot of time in that household and he was loved, disciplined, cared for, and shown the best of examples.

Sometimes people behave badly because they have issues other than the way they were taught or what they observed. A child with a mental issue might well be a "bad" child but have wonderful parents. Children with hidden or subtle mental issues--shadow syndromes--are even more perplexing. Of course, poor role models and poor parenting can exacerbate shadow syndromes. But, in my experience, sometimes the problems exist on their own.

Sita Tara's picture

Those genes are so STRONG.

I dated a guy throughout high school, who hadn't seen his alcoholic and bipolar BM since he was 2. That was when she kidnapped he and his older sister from their dad on a visitation weekend. She had them for several months I believe, until his dad found them (he was an Army officer and his connections did some pretty amazing work.)

He and his sister were raised in a very devout Catholic home, right across from their parish, where they were very active members. I mean my first impression after my dysFUNctional home was I had walked into Beaver Cleaver's household.

Hmmmm....my older brother once told me HIS first impression was I was dating Eddie Haskel instead (Beaver's very manipulative neighbor.)

This guy went on to be an alcoholic, his sister attempted suicide a couple of times and had two sons by different dads. At one point his sister's older son lived with my boyfriend's parents because she was unable to take care of him. My bf went on to abuse me verbally and physically, to become a drug addict with his own kid that he didn't see or support.

I was always so amazed that they turned out that way when BM had absolutely NO part in raising them.

Genes. It's really in there. Now I'm not saying that in my case BM doesn't reinforce it, as does having two houses with parents who due to BM's mental illness can't discuss SD at all with BM telling DH off and hanging up on him, or laughing and making fun of us for going to therapy (ummmm....SD's Shrink by the way. I don't think that a child psychologist does marital counseling.)

SD did go back to the counselor after her trouble starting a false inappropriate rumor about her male teacher she doesn't like. As the psychologist says, once an adult shows SD they can't be manipulated, she turns on them completely.

“I never gave away anything without wishing I had kept it; nor kept it without wishing I had given it away.” ~Louise Brooks

Most Evil's picture

To blame everyone except the child to me advocates and promotes a 'victim' mentality for the child and their problems. There is too much of that going on today anyway, I believe crying 'victim' is the cause of many of our society's problems.

Effective parents to me should teach the kids to accept responsibility for their actions and the resulting consequences.

"In the depths of winter I finally learned there was in me an invincible summer." -Albert Camus

Sita Tara's picture

This victim stuff just really bugs me too. I have mentioned it before, but when I was 12 my 17 year old brother was completely disabled (in a coma for months and in and out of rehab the next year, then taken care of at home for the next 15.) My older siblings were either out of the house or on their way. My parents were understandably pre-occupied, and sent me off to stay with family friends every weekend (and sometimes for weeks at a time.) It was the early 80's and most of our family friends were theatre people. I was hanging out with 16-20 year olds. I was experimenting with all kinds of things that kids and young adults do ....but I was 13.

BUT...I ended up working through all of it and didn't pursue drugs or alcohol for long. I also took to heart whenever my mother said anything about my negative behavior and kept my problems to myself to work out. Was I depressed? Was I angry? Yes. But even as a teen I knew I was lucky it wasn't me lying in that bed, not able to eat or speak. I had every reason to blame my parents for not knowing they should have equally been focusing on me instead of distracted completely and letting everyone else, myself mostly, raise me.

But I have never blamed them.

I think there is a consensus still, even among those of our blended world, that the kids are victims of our failed marriages. I don't see it that way. I gave my kids a gift I never had. A happy mom. Two parents who are friends, even if they don't live together. Since the ages of 5 and 2, my sons have never heard me say a mean thing about their dad, nor from him about me. My children barely remember now that we didn't get along. The youngest was too young to ever witness or remember an argument.

And they are so much more grounded, especially my youngest who was only two when I left.

Some people are wired to seek out sympathy. I don't think that's always taught. If it were, then boy would I have been able to manipulate the adults in my life. I felt it was a weakness then and still do today. You can't blame your parents for your own shortcomings your whole life. If you do, perhaps you'll always be safe from responsibility of your own failures, but you'll never be happy until you take your own happiness into your hands.

“I never gave away anything without wishing I had kept it; nor kept it without wishing I had given it away.” ~Louise Brooks

ColorMeGone2's picture

I totally agree with this. The older they get, the less you can blame BM or anyone else and the more you have to hold THEM accountable for their own actions. For years we blamed BM for not letting the skids call DH, for not letting the skids answer the phone when DH called, for not encouraging contact between DH and skids and for withholding visitation. When they were all young children, there was no one else to blame. It was BM preventing the contact. Now those kids are young adults with their own cell phones, their own email addresses and the ability and freedom to make their own choices. They know how to call DH when they want something and they don't need BM's help for that, so we can't really blame her anymore if they don't call DH on his birthday or on Father's Day, for example. At the ages my skids are now, I can only say that they have been influenced by BM. I can no longer say that she is keeping the skids from having telephone contact with DH. Now, it's all them.

I get so irritated when people commit crimes and then go on to blame a "bad childhood." Hey, lots of us didn't have stellar childhoods, but that didn't make all of us criminals. Most Evil is right. The best thing we parents can do for our children is to instill a sense of personal responsibility in them. Because at some point, blaming your parents just becomes pathetic. Yeah, it's the parents' fault if 3yo Tommy hits kids at preschool because he wasn't disciplined at home for hitting his big sister. But it is NOT the parents' fault that 30yo Timmy kills 4 people as the result of a DUI or decides to rob a liquor store instead of getting a job.

♥ Georgia, the un-stepmom ♥

"Good men don't just happen. They have to be created by us women." (from ROSEANNE)

Gwen's picture

I agree 100% with non-victim mentality -- I live it. I also agree that there comes a point when a child must be held accountable for his or her own actions.

My point is that sometimes you cannot hold the parents responsible. Sometimes Tommy has been taught not to hit others, but he knocks the others around at preschool anyway. Sometimes, there is just something wrong with Tommy. I am not saying whether or not we blame Tommy for that. But I know it's true. Sometimes even the best parents turn out with a "bad" kid.

Hey, but most of the time -- esp. in the experience of the stepparents on this site -- parenting *is* the culprit. Usually the bios, not the steps Smile

Question -- how does one learn good parenting if you yourself was parented poorly? Where does that learning occur?

Sita Tara's picture

I think there is a level of natural nurturing that some people truly possess more than others. I know from my experience that I had absent parents for the second half of my upbringing. Before that there were issues, and I always wished my parents would get a divorce so we could have peace rather than contempt. When I tell this to the therapists I have gone to on behalf or because of SD and BM...they seem shocked. I'm not sure why. I wasn't the only one of my friends wishing my parents would split up. Constant contempt is a poisonous environment. Hmmm....and now that I live full time with SD, it's one I find myself stuck in again!

My dad is OCD and was very controlling of us. My mom was very bitter and blamed him for her unhappiness her whole life. I left my first marriage because my ex is a bit anal and controlling (argumentative like my father about needing to be right.) I did not want to repeat my mother's life, and blame someone else for not doing or accomplishing my dreams.

Overall, before my brother's wreck we were a very close family with exception to my dad. My mom, sister, brothers and myself all did theatre non-stop together. God, I often wonder how absolutely fabulous our lives would have been without that trauma- one that just continued for the rest of my adolescence in one form or another. I am the only one who stayed in theatre after the accident. It was my sanctuary. My world away from the antiseptic hospital wing my house became. My mom returned to theatre briefly in her late fifties, and we even did Glass Menagerie together, playing mother and daughter onstage for the first time since we were Beth and Marmee in Little Women the year before the wreck. But her energy level was burned out by then, as were many available parts.

I will say that my experiences in theatre, and all the responsibility placed on kids in plays or working them, made me who I am for sure. I don't know of many other places kids are expected to be as disciplined as the adults, working side by side as equals. It had a tremendous impact on my accountability and maturity.

As far as my mother skills, I hear they are pretty strong from others including DH, my own mom, my sister, and SD's therapist (SD used to be on this list as well until we got full custody.)

But SD doesn't want a mom anymore, she wants a pal.

“I never gave away anything without wishing I had kept it; nor kept it without wishing I had given it away.” ~Louise Brooks

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I am a big believer in personal responsibility. The children I am speaking of are elementery aged kids. Ones who are manipulated by bio/step/whatever parents to get back at the other bio/step/whatever parent. The children caught in the middle of the drama can only react to what they know. They do not have the comprehension skills to plot or plan to destroy a home. They MAY get the tools or planning from the other home... they MAY see it as an alliance to "win" the other parent's love. They MAY know that the love of the effected parent is unconditional, but the more agressive parent's love depends on their (the child's) actions.

Mental illness is not included in my opinion. I am familliar with mental disease and know it does not follow logical processes or learning patterns. Although my SS has ASD, he has never been anything other than appropriate in his behavior... appropriate for his age and/or emotional condition.