Inappropriate?
Does anyone else thinks BM sharing cutesy borderline flirty texts inappropriate? And even worse, SO tolerating and even responding?! I find it to be betrayal point blank. Am I overreacting? When i address it that usually means a fight. Finally when we were on vacay she kept sending texts whenever she felt like it. Cutesy but unnecessary pics of ss... SO thought this is perfectly ok and I’m bonkers and must accept that she is “the mother of his child”. I feel that unnecessary communications like te texts she is sending on a whim are disrespectful to my relationship with SO, and disloyal on SOs part to condone and encourage by responding. Finally I reached a boiling point and forced him to text back “please can we limit communications to necessary issues regarding g our son”. SS is 9 and has his own phone, he is more than capable of communication without BM getting all cutesy every two seconds.
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Not appropriate!
DH never flat out told her to stop trying to talk to him about anything non kid related. He did stop replying and quickly hung up on the phone if she started that crap.
I did tell him I found it offensive that while they were married he wasn't good enough to be her "best friend" but all of a sudden he was suppose to be a available for non child related emotional support. I also told him to let me know if he wanted to be in an emotional relationship with BM so I could go find boxes to pack my shit and move.
I really would have moved and broke up with him if it continued. She got the hint and hasn't tried again. She is also happily married now. I honestly hope it's a successful marriage bc it keeps her busy.
Finally I reached a boiling
Finally I reached a boiling point and forced him to text back “please can we limit communications to necessary issues regarding g our son”
You shouldn't have to force him, he should have been doing it on his own, all along.
Exactly. That’s why I’m
Exactly. That’s why I’m “bonkers” over it.
Its a big red flag that your
Its a big red flag that your DH tolerates and excuses this behavior. My DH will just hang up on BM any time she goes off topic. A few years ago, BM sent my DH a love letter and mix tape. This was after we had been married. DH and I actually laughed about it. Then he had his attorney send a letter threatening a restraining order if she kept unnecessarily contacting him.
Having a child together is not a valid excuse to let Bm continually overstep boundaries. If your DH will not stop the contact, then you have to decide how much you are willing to tolerate before you throw in the towel.
I certainly would’ve if we
I certainly would’ve if we didn’t have 2 bio kids together
Oh, yeah. Your SO is still
Oh, yeah. Your SO is still enmeshed with BM. YOU had to FORCE him to text BM??? No bueno.
Yup and he was very upset to
Yup and he was very upset to do it. But I gave an ultimatum and after 2 days of agonizing over it, I made him send it right in front of me after he couldn’t bring himself to do so himself in 2 DAYS. I found this problematic. But I Ben he just accuses me of being obsessed and crazy. So I guess I’m looking here for attje very least some validation to my feelings.
I made him send it right in
I made him send it right in front of me after he couldn’t bring himself to do so himself
Again, YOU had to MAKE him do it. He doesn't want to do it and would rather accuse you of "being obsessed and crazy". Such attractive qualities.... *bad*
Yup. I never heard him say or
Yup. I never heard him say or speak to her in any way disrespectful. But woah can he dish it out to me!
Boy Bye!!!!
You know this is inappropiate.
What are you going to do about it if he continues?
I’d bet he still does just
I’d bet he still does just sneakier. He now deletes all his communications with her right away. He’s watching his tracks.... which is almost just as bad.
What's he hiding and why does
What's he hiding and why does he feel the need to hide it? Sounds like a cheater.
He claims is cuz he doesn’t
He claims is cuz he doesn’t feel like dealing with my shit. I fly off the handle blah blah blah and it’s annoying to him. Like, who cares how it makes me feel right?!? Smh.
What horsepuckey. So he'd
What horsepuckey. So he'd rather have a lovely (cue the barf emoji) relationship with his EX and have a shite relationship with his current. wrong, Wrong, WRONG. He LIVES with YOU. Stop accepting this crap treatment. Try disengagement or counseling or learn to be happy with a man who is an emotional bigamist.
Exactly what other's are
Exactly what other's are saying. This is extremely wrong and inappropriate. I would tell him if he is more worried about keeping his EX happy than his current SO he should just go back to her and be a big happy family.
VERY inappropriate
You could be passive aggressive and start texting YOUR exes.
Or you COULd have a nice succint conversation, each time it happens. Toxic Troll used to text DH inappropriately, almost "sexting level" inappropriate. He didnt tell me until I caught one. He claimed that he nevr responded to her drunken texts, however, when I caught the one, I went BALLISTIC. No passive chit. ON HIS OWN he texted her that Clove is not happy with her texting him certain things, and please stop. She thought it funny and texted him "wow, shes got a problem with that? Well at least MY boyfriend isnt jealous of MY ex".
About a year after that, her bf Tweedle is calling my DH while we were at a concert, crying because shes not coming home at night and shes "with" other guys and they are living togther still. LOL.
So, now, when Toxic Troll texts DH something non skid related, I tell him (repetively) he doesnt need to respond. I tell him do not text her back immdiately because he is not at her beck and call. Im 5.5 years in, and she still tries to involve him in her dating life.
I hate it.
Fortunately I've never had to
Fortunately I've never had to deal with this, because BM has no interest in DH. She cheated on him multiple times and she left him with no regrets. She has always had a boyfriend (now she has a husband) since she left DH and she has plenty of friends and family, so she has no reason to communicate with DH about anything other than the kids.
However, you don't have to experience it to know that this is WRONG. There shouldn't be cutesy, flirty messages between your SO and his ex. He shouldn't be FORCED to shut her down; he should have done this on his own once these messages started coming. He's in a new relationship, so unless his new girlfriend is fine with it, he doesn't get to have an ongoing relationship with his ex except for what is necessary in connection with their mutual child. You're not overreacting, this is inappropriate and disrespectful of your relationship. It's unfortunate that your SO can't see that on his own, but if he allows any of this to continue AFTER you've expressed your displeasure, then either he values his relationship with BM too much or he has no balls (in which case I'm not sure why you'd want him). IMO, this is a hill to die on.
Sad part is I’m not his new
Sad part is I’m not his new girlfriend. We’ve been together 8 years with 2 children under 5. And this shit is still a problem?!?
Your answer is
Sorry girl but your answer is right in your post. You are not his new girlfriend, you hae been together 8 years and have 2 children under 5. That is not a recipe for fun and being "bad" by sneaking around texting his ex is how he gets a kick. Pretty damned pathetic if you ask me. I would be sorely tempted to switch from angry to utter contempt and tell him to text to his heart's content. Just make sure not to knock her up again. And keep his hands off of my phone because my life is no longer any of his business. From now on we are partners for the purpose of raising the children only. Start splitting costs like a evenly with his expenses for his other child his own problem and save like crazy. A dose of reality may get his head out of his ass and show him what he is risking but it may not and you want to be prepared.
OP, if your SO wasn't okay
OP, if your SO wasn't okay with this, he'd stop it himself. BM isn't the issue here.
They’re both the issue. She’s
They’re both the issue. She’s like a jealous sibling who is she catches wind of something in our relationship that’s not perfect (SS is her little mole that dishes out the scoop to her) she ounces and tries to be the “good” one. He apparently feeds into it as it appears judging from her comfortable ness reaching out to him. Exhausting.
He is
gas lighting you.
U bet. How he convinces
U bet. How he convinces himself it’s certainly not his fault. He’s never wrong.
That's not a good trait
being unable to admit you're wrong. Chef (my "SO") struggles with this. I would have run had I known all the pitfalls.
Facts. Interpretation of Facts. Results.
Facts: "DH, you are participating in interactions with BM that go beyond what is skid related".
Your Interpretation of the Facts: "Because of this, I assume you are still in an emotional relationship with her".
Your Result. "I cannot be in a marriage with someone who is still emotionally connected with another woman. So either we 1. get counseling and try to resolve it. 2. We divorce. There is no option here where this can continue."
Any ideas what action I can
Any ideas what action I can take if I can’t prove it’s continuing cuz he deletes his phone records of her? Kinda just a gut feeling that if he is now taking steps to delete their conversations then that is a bad sign? Clearly I don’t want him to know I’m looking in his phone. I feel less bad tho since I pay the phone bill.
Check the phone bill
Check the phone bill. Even if he deletes the texts, they will show in the "usage history" on the bill. You will be able to tell when she is texting and he is responding, even if you can't see the content.
Facts. Interpretation of Facts. Results
Facts: "You're now deleting all of your phone records with BM"
Interpretation of Facts: "I can only assume its because you want to hide your conversations with her from me because they likely cross boundaries".
Results: "I can't be married to a man who feels he has to hide conversations with his ex wife".
The thing is, and i say this gently, you have to decide what kind of relationship you want. Then be brave enough to walk away. You dont have the power to change anyone else. All you can do is change how you react to it.
It sounds like you desperately want to stay married. Clearly you're miserable. Talk to him. "DH, because you keep hiding conversations with BM from me, I can only assume you are still very much emotionally connected to her. I want to stay married to you but I can't be married to you if you are still attached in that way to her. If we don't get counselling to work through this, then I have to leave".
It can't be just a threat to leave. You actually have to be prepared to end it. If you're not ready to walk away, then you have to figure out a way to deal with it.
I’d be ready to walk at this
I’d be ready to walk at this point. Just dunno where I’d go. Feeling stuck. Keep hoping for a lightbulb to go off in his head. Can’t do that for himand ur right I can’t control how he feels or what he does. I’d rather us get on the same page of course, but if it is intrinsically impossible then that’s a deal breaker.
Are you married---???? I know
Are you married---???? I know you have 2 kiddos with him. Its not ok for those two to be flirting.
First:
Here is what I would do. I would go to your cell phone store AND get a print out of all telephone calls. You wrote your paying for his cell right? Well---you own the account.
With a yellow highlighter---mark each incoming and out going call to his ex. THEN you can determined if in fact your boyfriend is calling her or not AND deleting the calls. Collect all your facts then make a decision. Oh and I would keep your data under wraps for a little while. LETS see how long he is willing to lie. I would check on Novembers records too.
You have 2 children...go to social services Just for information gathering.... See if you qualify for reduced or free housing, food stamps. HE Is going to have to pay you cs too. Go on line to the cs calculator...punch in what you can $$ and you will see what he may own you.
Good Luck...I am sorry---he should not be doing this.
JMO
No need to go to the store
No need to go to the store - just check the bill on-line. The usage will show the texts and calls - not the content, but the dates, times and length of the calls.
No not married and we earn
No not married and we earn equal salaries so no go on the extra help via assistance if I left. He pays an extreme amount of cs to BM.... for a while there he was actually paying her more that what he had to pay lol. I put my foot down there. She’s a liar tho and looks super poor cuz she schemes her taxes. She’s a waitress so she doesn’t claim all her tips of course making herself seem down and out illegally when in reality she’s doing just fine. Another good one... my SO had this nagging credit card that was on his credit report so when I got my tax return last year I paid it off to free up more credit to do some honey provements. Well I come to realize this was debt from 9 years ago when he bought her an engagement ring to “do what’s right” after knocking BM up lol. Needless to say he left instead of proposing lol, but she found the ring in a drawer and took it and sold it on Facebook keeping the money! So in essence I paid for the engagement ring meant for her but never given as she pockets the cash! Is that vomit inducing or what. Wish I woulda know that beforehand.
WTF?!?! OMG, I would have him
WTF?!?! OMG, I would have him reimburse me for her engagement ring. That is more than vomit inducing. That would probably get me a special feature on the show SNAPPED!
What is this guy bringing to the table for you?!?! Everything you have said makes me want to throat punch him and I've never even met him!
The fact that he is now
The fact that he is now deleting and hiding the messages is a HUGE red flag. That would be a deal breaker for me. I would tell him to go back to her and keep her happy like he wants and peace out!
He doesn't seem very
He doesn't seem very trustworthy. He needs to pick a team. Probably loves the attention and the thrill of sneaking around with the texts. If he's deleting them, that would seal the deal for me. So f-ing disrespectful! Especially considering you have been togehter for so long and have kids together. (not that this crap is right under any circumstances)
Turn off his phone and see how he likes that. Just kidding, that's petty and immature
No he’s not at all and can’t
No he’s not at all and can’t for the life of him understand why I get so upset and can’t trust him??! Like... duh?! It has gotten much better from what it used to be. He used to be even worse. Things that he’s done in the past isn’t forgettable but he always has a knack of justifying things to himself so no he doesn’t get it or can’t accept how badly he’s f”d up
To use a familiar phrase
Your marriage sounds a little crowded. Did he forget the part about forsaking all others?
Yeah I wouldn't be able to
Yeah I wouldn't be able to deal with that either.
In the early days of our relationship BM tried to see how far she could go. My now DH would answer her calls and if it wasnt about SD would say "since this isnt about SD or an emergency situation you can email me" and hung up. There was a while he refused all contact via phone or text, he would reply via email in the evening.
To be fair to BM she had an understandable freak out. I think she was worried I wanted to play mum, as soon as she realised I had no such desire she calmed right down.
But its again your DH that has to nip it in the bud.
My biggest gripe is that he
My biggest gripe is that he avoids nipping it... like why?! Again it’s not bc he is interested or attracted to her, so why on earth? Idk
SO thought this is perfectly
SO thought this is perfectly ok and I’m bonkers and must accept that she is “the mother of his child”.
"DH, I can assure you that, when we're divorced, I certainly won't be sending you stuff like that."
Make him sweat ...
Oh and I absolutely wouldn’t!
Oh and I absolutely wouldn’t! Idk what self respecting person would. They were together less than 1.5 years and it was only attempted in the first place cuz she got knocked up after being misleading about her bc. At least that was his side of it. It’s been claws in completion ever since. We never got married which looking at it may be a good thing.
Competition I meant. BM is
Competition I meant. BM is very jealous still