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Suggestions on how to promote independace in lazy skids?

SisterNeko's picture

When BM continues to baby them? Maybe it's because I am NOT their mother but I have no desire to constantly take care of them and clean up after them like BM does. BM still dresses them both every day, picks up all their toys and put them away, cleans up after them, bathes them, gets them in and out of the car and even still carries SS5.

We have 50/50 EOW with SS5 and SS7. So they are here enough to be annoying. I know that we will not be able to 'fix' them completely but it would be nice if they realized that when they are at our house it's different, especially now that DH and I are trying to have a baby.

I told DH that some things have to change and we have made some head way but it never seems to last, it's like they forget some times. Sadly SS5 is more independent than SS7 and he supposedly has Autism. A teacher and a Therapist have both told us that SS7 is very immature for his age, and SS5 is behind socially as well. I think part of it is that BM doesn't make them take responsibility for their actions.

I don't dress them, I help them pick out clothes that match and lay them out for them but them I have to leave the room or SS5 will just sit there and wait to be dressed, but if I leave he dresses himself just fine. SS7 insist that he can't have tie shoes because he can't tie them but both boys just jam their shoes on with out unstrapping them any way - and I make them take them off and do it right.

SS7 always complains come Sunday when DH and I tell them to pick up all the toys, they say they can't do it and even tells us that BM usually does it for them. I have suggested putting things away when he is done with them instead of leaving them in the middle of the floor but that will never happen. We always just tell them they can't go to BM's until the room is clean. I also pick up the toys left in the family ares at the end of the night and throw them on the floor in their bedroom or toy room. I love having doors, so the mess doesn't bother me.

The other day we asked SS7 to make his bed and he told me that he couldn't because it's a bunk bed. I told him that if I could climb up there and do it then so can he. I told DH that I was going to start making them do that every morning in the summer, I would start now but it already takes them way too long to get ready to go to school. I am hoping by next fall they have it pretty much down.

When they spill they both just stand there and yell that they spilled , maybe request a napkin, I make them go get a towel and clean it up. I also make them clear their own plates at dinner.

DH and I make them wash themselves in the bath tub, SS7 hates it and whines all the time. He is so afraid to get water in his eyes.

When we go somewhere I help them get in the car and shut the door but I will sit in the drive way for several minutes waiting on them to buckle themselves in and I have left the sitting in the car (at home) a few times because they were waiting on me to unbuckle them.

I am a very small woman and I can't physically pick SS5 up, I haven't been able to pick him up since he was 3. When I am mad at him I can carry him a few feet to his bed for a time out. Smile But he has gotten over that and no longer begs me to carry him, he walks very well by himself.

I told DH that I was worried about how a baby might affect the situation. The sKids are selfish and I don't think hey will be able to understand that the baby has needs. I told him the other day how I sat down in the chair with my cat only to be interrupted by ss7, 3 times in about a 20 minute span, because he needed something. How am I supposed to breast feed? Not one of the request were urgent but when I asked him to wait a minute (to test him) he literally waited about a minute before asking again.

I am open to other suggestions, I mean I think I am on the right path but it seems to be taking longer than I would hope, been with them for almost 3 years and I pretty much started on day one. And no BM isn't going to change, DH has tried to tell her to knock it of but she just agrees then does whatever.

Also are there any good books/articles about having a baby with SKids in he house? I am not saying baby should be treated special because it's mine, I want to try to be far but baby is going to have special baby needs.

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RedWingsFan's picture

Chore boards and rewards/consequences for their actions. SS5 doesn't need to be carried!!! Geez, he's got legs, make him walk.

Let them both know that things are different at your home compared to their mommy's. Be sure that DH does the majority of the enforcement though, so you're together as a united front and they can't single you out as the bad guy.

Good luck. I can't imagine dealing with that shit.

As far as bringing a new baby into the mix? I hope someone here has experience with that and can guide you. I don't Sad

SisterNeko's picture

Exactly! When they had SS5 (who will be 6 in May) tested for his Autism he failed a lot of things mainly because he had never been forced to do things, like WALK or TALK! So he was very behind socially and physically. SS7 still answers for SS5 (we are trying to break that too) and It took me a month last spring to teach him how to climb up the ladder on our swing set. He thought I should just lift him up there, like that was going to happen. But now he doesn't stand and cry at playgrounds any more when he can't figure out how the steps work.

Chore boards are a good idea. I may have to play around with that.

DH does most of the enforcement. I am sure there are times that SS7 would rather deal with me. Currently the best thing for SS7 is the lose of TV or Video game time. We currently 'punish' him for forgetting things at school (we got sick of buy lunch boxes, library books, hats, gloves, ect.) and for not finishing his work or getting in trouble in class.

Thanks, If no one posts about the baby stuff I can always make a another post about that in a few days. DH and I know it will be challenging but we both want a baby so bad. I see the way DH is with the sKids and it makes me want one of my own, to feel that love/bond and I think I want a chance to prove to DH that not all kids act like SKids do. Don't get me wrong I do love my sKids but it's very obvious (to me any way) that they are not mine, they don't look or act like me.

SisterNeko's picture

we get the z-strap from sketchers. I am like you, I am not getting down on the floor to tie shoes every day. It's not hard to do but our SS won't even try, he just gives up. Same with riding a bike, skating, building with legos, and more.

Hullabaloo's picture

SO carried my SD10 to bed up until she was over 9 years old!!! It was weird seeing him carry a child almost as tall as me, and would request it like that, "Carry me like a baby!" I eventually told him she was getting too old for that and it might be stunting her development. Then I saw BM carrying her around like that in public and thought OMG!

It has taken me 2 years, but finally SO has gotten it through his head that I am not going to coddle her and pick up after her all the time and that chores, picking up after yourself and being treated age appropriate help her to feel like this is her home too, not just a visitor to "Dad's House". He now makes her do her chores, she is almost 11 and he no longer carries her to bed but he does still put her to bed every night (but that's okay, that is their special time together) and for the most part (not always!) he makes her accountable for her belongings.

It has been very hard for me to set boundaries as to what I will and will not do and many times I feel taken advantage of by the 2 of them.

If I were you SisterNeko and rnstudent, I approach SO/DH from the perspective that you are concerned about their stunted development, age appropriate chores and being responsible for their toys would also make them feel like they belong to the household rather than visitors. They may push back for awhile, and my SD10 still does push back on chores but that's because she is 10 and most 10 year olds don't like chores! Just stand your ground and ask SO/DH to do the same, remind them that with kids it is all about consistency. But let SO/DH take the lead on enforcement, you just don't do anything you don't want to do.

tryingmom's picture

This is an ongoing battle at our home. SS9 and SS13's mom remind them to take showers and brush their teeth. SS9 has everything done for him, the boy seems to be incapable to getting a drink for himself or cleaning up after himself but he can sure get a snack for himself. Laziness!! And their BM enforces it as justification of being a SHM. "My kids need me..." PLEASE!!! At our house we push them to do things for themselves. We do not baby them. Expectations are spelled out daily and if they cannot remember to brush their teeth or take showers they can tell their mom that THEY forgot, not that I didn't remind them. I've spelled it out for them and BM, I am not their mom, if I was we wouldn't be having this discussion about not showering, the shower would have been taken without my having to say a word. IF they need their mom to tell them to shower and brush their teeth then she can call every night to remind them, I am not doing it. They own their laziness, and they can own all their excuses but then again they own being the smelly kids.

SisterNeko's picture

Oh that is SS7 to a 'T'. SS7 has eczema and he will come over all broke out, when we ask him why he didn't put any lotion on he says because BM didn't tell him to. We always remind him but we shouldn't have to. I tell him all the time if your skin itches then put lotion on, you know where it is. We also make him shower because I can't stand the smell of him. Not even pregnant yet and smells really get to me.

SisterNeko's picture

I thought of another 'funny' story about lazy SS7. Last week he didn't get to watch TV in the upstairs 'spare' room for a day and a half because he couldn't find the remote.

We currently have 2 play rooms - one upstairs will eventually be the baby's room and just has a tv and a few toys in it. Down stairs also has a TV and the rest of the toys. I have been working on moving the kids down there little by little, because DH didn't listen to my (and you guy's) warning about just leaving the room empty. Any way the TV is mounted to the ceiling so they need the remote to turn it on. SS7 asked me to turn it on for him but I declined and told him to find the remote. He looked for 5 minutes and gave up. It took me 2 minutes to find it but I left it there to see how long it took him to find it, I told DH what happened and he agreed not to more it or tell SS7 where it was.

On the plus side I told DH that now I know how to get SKids to use the basement play room - I just have to remove the TV. Smile