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MrsZipper's picture

DH rarely cooks. Since I have known him he says he doesn't like it and that he's bad at it. When I made him at least try early in our relationship the food was so bad that we fell into a pattern of me doing all of the cooking.

This year he is going to start spending the jewish holidays with his kids. DH and BM raised the skids jewish and DH and I are raising our kids christian. He has been making a huge effort to be a bigger part of their lives since their weddings last year, so he is going with them to an old family friends home for the first night and OSDs in laws (her SO's parents) home for the second night of Passover.

DH volunteered to bring his mother's famous stuffed cabbage dish both nights. I am not a fan but people who grew up eating it love it. For the past 5 nights he has spent literally hours every night making this stuffed cabbage. Figuring out what he can improve, trying different methods to make the sauce and playing with the ingredient quantities, since his mother's recipes were scribbled and covered in many years of sauce splatter. Mind you Passover is still more than a week and a half away. DDs won't eat it and I won't eat it, so he eats some and the rest goes in the trash. These are practice cabbages.

Tonight's effort was his best by far and he is happy with the dish. I said it looked just like how his mother made them and he said he wanted it to be perfect, just like the skids remember from when they were little.

A part of me is bothered that he puts so much effort into cooking for the skids (and BM too since she will be at both dinners) and he has never offered to help with any of our holiday dinners or DD's birthday dinners. I said maybe he could keep going and make something to bring for Easter weekend with my family and he said he said no its such a hassle and there's always too much food anyway. He said let's just keep it simple and bring drinks. 20+ hours of laboring over a hot stove to perfect a dish for the skids, a Target pit stop on the way to my sisters for his wife and young daughters.

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MrsZipper's picture

Yes, that's right. He's not really a religious person at all, more agnostic than anything, which is why this huge divide in effort stings a little. It feels like its less about tradition and religion and more about who you care to spend your time on.

Ninji's picture

So Skids + exwife + OSD's inlaws = his family

New wife + his young daughters + his inlaws = not his family :? :? :?

Indigo's picture

I think it's the "weight of attention units" which stings a bit for Mrs.Z.

However, I think there is likely an undercurrent of religious, cultural dichotomy. Judaism is not something to be stepped away from lightly. Look at Israel's situation now in the Middle-East and interaction with the USA? It's not a lip-service to the Easter Bunny hunt on the church lawn. In his secret heart, DH may lean more to his religion and culture of origin rather than his adopted, married-into religion and culture. (Not that he may wish to practice it, but it may hold sway.)

This is not just a simple matter of switching from Methodist to Baptist. This is heritage and race, also.

I have attended many different churches over the years and participated with intent in a variety of services. However, in my heart-of-hearts, I remain a Catholic. This is my religion, my culture, my history.

Monchichi's picture

They'd all have to convert to Judaism. The reason this could be difficult for the family is non practicing men who are Jewish by birth, are non practicing as they chose not to observe the Jewish ways. Once you convert or giyur the wife and children practice Judaism, such as not mixing milk and meat, where as the men/ husband do not.

Conversion to another religion is not for the faint hearted and would need to be a united decision where they are all practicing the religion. This is a very long process of 2+ years and would need to be a spiritual decision that you as an individual have decided upon. If OP is a practicing Christian but her husband is a non practicing Jew then it is not a reasonable suggestion.

Conversion to Judaism (Hebrew: גיור‎, giyur) is a religious act when, after a period of study and immersion into Jewish life overseen by a rabbi, a religious panel formally determines that a non-Jewish person has met the requirements for conversion to Judaism by demonstrating a sincere commitment to Jewish beliefs.

MrsZipper's picture

Whoa how did this get to the point where my children who have been raised Christian will be converting to Judaism? DH cares less about religion than I do, so we chose to raise the kids in my faith. Why would we have them convert just because DH wants to impress his skids by making jewish holiday food?

MrsZipper's picture

At least in appearence, it looks much better today than it did the first night. I agree it's weird this far in advance though.

twoviewpoints's picture

I actually 'get' the practicing. First he's got to get the knack of perfectly shaped and evenly filled thing down and then focus on the exact right sauce taste. Not just 'hey, pretty good', but 'OMG I'd swear Grandma made these' prefect.

I've done the same thing. Not with stuffed cabbage, with a handful of my grandmother's best recipes from her file I now have. I still don't have a couple down right. Sure, the recipe and directions say I do, but I'm still messing it somewhere. LOL. I think it's the pinches of this and dabs of that that aren't on the written recipe card. The bit of extra this that and the other thing that just popped in last minute from her mind. Smile

But I'd be annoyed that Dad isn't spending some time and effort to pick something out of that old file box to make with his youngest girls also. Anything. Cake? Cookies? I understand the cabbage is a religious tradition , but surely there's something in that box that's neutral that he loved when his mom made it.

The guy is in the kitchen knocking himself out. Evening after evening doing trial runs to piece just not his mother's faith, but a small piece of his memories of his mother on to his oldest kids...youngest ones? Meh, they aren't Jewish? That doesn't 'work' for me. Even people with follow no particular faith serve foods that become special and a 'tradition' to have on this or that holiday or family get together.

If I were an 8/9 year old child and watched Daddy doing this cabbage bit (evening after evening), I think I could manage to talk my young self into thinking somehow perhaps I wasn't as 'special' as my older siblings and sharing something (a food recipe to be passed down) wasn't meaningful to Dad to share the time and effort with me.

Could Dad at least exert himself and his lack of enjoying cooking to maybe make and bake a homemade pizza some night with his young daughters? A Dad and daughters night in the kitchen and surprising Mom with dinner and movie night. I suppose he doesn't have to do any of Grandma's recipes with them, but a simple weekend dinner one night sometime wouldn't kill him.

Of course, I'm not looking at this from a religious viewpoint, I'm just talking a Dad perhaps showing the same desire and effort to pass down something time and effort with some special meaning to all his kids, not just the older ones.

notsobad's picture

I wonder how much the skids will appreciate his efforts.
He's put all this effort into making this dish, will they even care?

Acratopotes's picture

I will teach my kids to eat Dad's food and request his food.... this way I'm off cooking duty }:)

ESMOD's picture

I honestly think this is as much as honoring and doing something to keep his mother's memory alive vs doing it "for" the skids etc...

He isn't making cabbage, he is making a stand in for his mom.. so it has to be perfect.

ESMOD's picture

I guess it might depend on how long ago his mom passed. If it was fairly recent this could be an offshoot of grief.

It's also possible if he is getting older he is having a late life crisis of sorts. The panic that if someone doesn't honor the past/mother the memory will be lost?

fakemommy's picture

If he's never been confident in his cooking skills, perhaps it has taken him this "long" (we don't actually know how long his mom has been gone) to build up the confidence to make something with so much sentiment attached to it.

MrsZipper's picture

MIL passed down her recipes to the skids before she passed, they even have her old cookware that they used to cook holiday meals together. This is a new interest on DH's part.

Acratopotes's picture

OP to clarify... you do not have a problem with the religions in the family, the problem is DH breaking his back suddenly for his first family traditions while he never even cooked on Easter/Christmas/normal dinner/lunch for his other daughters?

Acratopotes's picture

Nope no help what so ever and I would force him to make me and his current kids something we like

Acratopotes's picture

ADULT Daughter being the issue here..... what is he doing for his 2 minor daughters at home?

Zippy has full right to be pissed off, there's allot of other ways to mend adult relationships

Willow2010's picture

It feels like its less about tradition and religion and more about who you care to spend your time on
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That is exactly what it is. Did you call him on it?

I would be so hurt. He apparently can cook. And he can cook well. But he won’t do it for you or your family, just for his ex wife and their kids. No Bueno!

And I may be the only one that feels this way but I would be livid if my DH started spending holidays with his ex wife. There are several important Jewish holidays during the year. Is he going to go to every one of them with BM? This would be a hill for me. They are not married and they will not do holidays together.

What if they were all Christian and he wanted to spend the first part of Christmas with you, (and you do all the cooking) and then he spend the other half of the day with BM and their kids playing happy family after he cooked for them.

And it is not jealously. Ok maybe a little bit to be honest, I mean…he is treating his first family way better that the OP, but it is mainly about respect. He is playing happy family with BM. They should have stayed married in that case.

Willow2010's picture

Where the hell am I? Did I stumble into the wrong room this morning? Wtf is happening???
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Right!? I feel like I am in the twilight zone!

Willow2010's picture

Wrong SJ...this is what happened.

Quote... I said maybe he could keep going and make something to bring for Easter weekend with my family and he said he said no its such a hassle

MrsZipper's picture

We didn't turn up our noses or insulted anyone,anyone it's just not everyone likes stuffed cabbage!

JustAgirl42's picture

Plus it makes you fart. Yes, that was immature.

It's hard not to take what your DH is/was doing personally, but maybe you can think of it like this: he feels the need to have to work for their love and acceptance, but he is confident in yours. Wink

stepadvice's picture

I am not religious but traditional and love celebrating the Jewish holidays. No one else in my family is that way since my mom passed away. For a few years I did not celebrate any of the holidays because no one else was around. Now that I am older my friends and I will get together cook and host for the holidays. My Christian friends love coming and celebrating in the traditions because they never experienced it.

I think if OP's kids are old enough your DH can engage them in helping with the cooking. He can tell them stories of his childhood and what it was like when his mom made the stuffed cabbage. I always loved learning about my family history. These are also traditions to pass down to your children. They should also be aware of their Jewish heritage along with their Christian one. He can tell them the story of the Afikoman and how all the kids at the end of the night get to look for it and whomever finds it gets a prize (usually money). That was always a fun game to play.

I myself miss so many traditions my mom and I did around the holidays and none of them were religious.

I can see this all hurting the OP and it seems like he is putting more effort into his older children. However, it may be cathartic for him in remembering his own childhood and honoring his mother. I don't know the back story but why are you and your children not going to Passover with him?

Willow2010's picture

I think if OP's kids are old enough your DH can engage them in helping with the cooking. He can tell them stories of his childhood and what it was like when his mom made the stuffed cabbage. I always loved learning about my family history
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And then what? Then he tell the little ones... "Welp, Im off to let my ex wife eat the food you just help prepare. See ya."

Hell no.

stepadvice's picture

And then what? Then he tell the little ones... "Welp, Im off to let my ex wife eat the food you just help prepare. See ya."

I wouldn't be happy with that either. That is why I asked why the OP and her children are not going as well. It definitely would be rude to say I helped make this food and then not be there for the festivities. He should also start making other foods or doing other traditions with his younger kids to include everyone in his family and no one feels left out.

robin333's picture

I would tell DH that he needs to practice making DD's favorite meal because he is now the designated birthday cook.

If this was about honoring his Mom, he would have been doing this all along.

It's one thing to try and bond with your child. But it becomes something different when that involves alienating other family not to mention cooking for and spending time with BM.

Is Mrs. Z supposed to sit home with her DDs thinking how nice it is that DH is still acting married to BM?

Willow2010's picture

OK..lets take religion out of this for a moment. Lets just say the DH has decided to spend every non-religious holiday with his ex-wife and their adult kids.

MLK day, Veterans day, Memorial, Labor day ect. And he will cook for each of those holidays that he is having with his ex wife and kids. Would it still be ok to those of you that think this is all A ok?

Edit to add...not really the cooking part but the part about playing happy first family is what would make me want to puke.

Acratopotes's picture

Religion was never the issue.......

the issue is - DH does not do for their children but suddenly breaks his back for his other children and ex wife..

Religion was never part of it,

Acratopotes's picture

and I simply do not get why they are hung up on the religion thing.... none off these comments is going to help OP lol

cause it's not the problem.....

Wonder where OP is......

MrsZipper's picture

DH stopped going to the holidays after his mother passed away. He is not religious at all, or showed much inclination to celebrate the holidays for many years. He just picked it back up again this year because he wants to spend more time with the skids. Dds and I are not invited to either seder but I haven't asked specifically if we could be.

Acratopotes's picture

Have you thought about having the skids over to your house and have one big celebration on this day?

Simply tell your daughters, it's your half siblings let see how they do it, turn it into a fun lesson of sorts?

MrsZipper's picture

They take holidays pretty seriously and go to the same places pretty much every year. If I offered to host I would be politely turned down.

Acratopotes's picture

shoot.... can you get your girls to ask their father , one night, if he would help making hotdogs or something?

MrsZipper's picture

He microwaves things, orders takeout and pours cereal on a regular basis. Just no actual cooking. He can handle hot dogs Smile

MrsZipper's picture

DH is going to both seders as a guest of a guest and didn't ask if we could also come. This is something he is doing with the skids. It's their thing. I rationalize it, he spends the other 95% of the time with us but he wants to increase the time spent with them going forward.

stepadvice's picture

This in my opinion is wrong. I don't like my father's SO but would never exclude her from a family event where he is invited. As his wife you should automatically be included and if other children will be their your kids should also be included. Did the SKs not invite your DH but someone else? I would inquire if it is alright if you and the kids can attend.

Your DH is wrong for not pushing the issue with his kids.

fakemommy's picture

Is it possible he's doing this more to honor his mother in making this dish than the skids, religion and BM? My MIL had a signature dish when she was alive, and making and perfecting that dish every holiday season, using a recipe written in her handwriting is therapeutic for DH and is his way of honoring and remembering her for the holiday.

I know it is hard not to read too much into it, but try not. Things don't have to be exactly equal to be fair. I'm sure there are things he does for your children now that he did not for his older children.

fakemommy's picture

I understand. I think it has come to a point where DH has decided he's okay with having these 2 separate families and that (understandably) hurts MZ. I don't think the issue is really the cabbage, but more feeling "less than" his "other" family, or feeling mama bear about her daughters being "less than". I think this is the point where family counseling or a lot of talking to understand each other is completely necessary. And knowing someone much like MZ's DH, I'm afraid this will end their marriage eventually.

MollyBrown's picture

Clearly Mr. Zipper has two families. There might be a back story why they didn't blend. I imagine he is feeling a lot of things. His daughter is pregnant. That and the weddings might be making him miss his old traditions more.
You need to accept or reject that he has two families and move on from there. I think you should ask him to help out with the birthday meals if it bothers you. As for not wanting to cook for your sister's Easternmeal, I get it. I cook for my side, my husband cooks for his.

MollyBrown's picture

Is it really catering to the older ones when he spends 95 percent of the time with the little ones?

MollyBrown's picture

It was an adult only black tie affair. There was a table of children who were the kids of the bridal party. People are quick to bring that up, but never mention the thank you the girls received with a gift.

Willow2010's picture

My bet would be that this particular DH was probably just making it bad so he would not have to cook again.

Have you heard about people like that? They play dumb or stupid so that we don't ask them to do it again. I mean really...what does it take to make burgers or things like that? He pretended to SUCK at cooking so that OP would do all the cooking from now on. Very manipulative.

MrsZipper's picture

That was probably part of it. Covering everything in spices, burning things. I actually enjoy cooking and he makes up for it in other ways so I don't mind it. Its just the fact that this is something he won't do for us even when asked that he volunteers to do and puts a lot of effort in for skids.

notsobad's picture

DH doesn't cook.

In the 10 years we've been together he's made chilli twice and has flipped a couple of burgers and chicken on the BBQ.
It's okay because I enjoy cooking and if I don't feel like it we will go out to eat or order in.

If he suddenly decided that he needed to learn how to make his mothers cabbage rolls for his kids, BM and their extended family I would be upset. I think even if I was invited to said event I would still be upset.
Add in that he doesn't want to even try to make something for my family and we would have a problem.

I'm not Jewish and don't know much about the religion so I can't opine on the importance of the food and the religious event.

I just know that I would be feeling marginalized and unimportant in his life.

Livingoutloud's picture

I am Jewish, raised Jewish, raised my DD Jewish etc

My DH (not DDs father) is Christian. So are SDs.
I am of course respectful of Christianity or christians but have no connection to Christianity or Christian holidays. I wouldn't know what to cook and when and what etc it's not because I am disrespectful but because I just don't particularly connect to it enough to orchestrate anything. I can attend but certainly more as s guest. I bet your DH cooks those dishes because that's his culture and not because of skids or BM.

PS i make good stuffed cabbage, just like my grandmas but I don't like eating them. Not fan of cabbage