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Last night/narcissism rant

MJL2010's picture

Got home from a nice "moms' night out" with some moms from SSs' soccer team last night and found DH where he was hours before, trying to assemble SSs' weird bikes (selected on Amazon- my sensible kids ordered Schwinns and they were together in 15 minutes, bye bye, be careful and have fun- not SSs- they had to have some brand that no one had ever heard of before just to be flashier and Italian soundingAND we both know we screwed up by allowing that but none of the kids wanted the same bike as the others and we thought that was reasonable....), The house was a mess, dishwasher filled with CLEAN dishes and they all knew it because they put their dinner dishes in the sink rather than the dishwasher- but without me here to organize and reinforce "how to recognize the things that need to be done in this house of seven people (and three animals)" and DH being so preoccupied with putting SSs' bikes together, nothing got done.

So it was bedtime and I told them that before they went to bed, each needed to take care of their designated common room: SSB12 gets the family room because he most often leaves his stuff in there, DS12 gets the kitchen because he most often uses two cups or leaves charging cables around, DD11 gets dining room because she frequently leaves her projects or HW on the table, and SSA12 gets the garage because he often leaves clothes outside or balls thrown all over the place.

Their designated room responsibility involves identifying who may have made a mess or left something and delegating to get it clean, NOT cleaning up for each other. Example: SSB12: "Whose plate is this?"; DD11: "Oh, that's mine." and picks it up and takes care of it. It's a decent system and it seems to be working. DS12 cleared up all the dishwasher dishes and that was it for the kitchen, DD11 cleaned up the table of her stuff and told SSB12 to get his binder and take care of it, and SSB12 got the family room taken care of........except for The Prince, SSA12, who wandered in and got in his bed after NOT even looking in the garage. Here is the conversation that ensued:

Me: "SSA, get out here please."
[Minutes pass.]
"I am standing here holding the door. Get out here NOW."
{He slowly and with attitude comes walking out in boxers.}
"Did you even look in the garage?"
SS: "There was nothing to put away."
{At this point I instructed him to tidy the shoes and put balls in the bin. He did all that I asked.}
As we walked back inside, I said, "Now you can sleep better, wake up and look in the mirror and like what you see, knowing that you've done your job."
He responded, "I can always look in the mirror and like what I see."
I did respond to this comment by saying, "It is our job as your parents to make sure that you know that that's not ok and that that's not what you turn into as you grow. People who lie so much that they can't see reality, and people who lack any desire to help other people are not usually happy people."

SSB12 frequently calls SSA12 a narcissist, and I think that both boys are learning what their mother is. SSA12 really does seem to be learning really well from BM. Is there anything we can do to stop this, besides pointing his behavior out and continuing to lead him to do the right thing?

In this society, day and age, where there is an increasing number of famous narcissists and I'm sure plenty in our own lives and where we are getting better at having the hard conversations regarding mental health, how do we get this one out there and recognized? If more people realize what they're dealing with maybe it can alleviate some suffering. And eventually, maybe something will be discovered to make narcissists realize that they are at the root of their own suffering and seek help.

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BethAnne's picture

Telling the kid he is not a good person for trying to avoid his chores does not sound like a very healthy association. It may be lazy and may not be helpful to everyone else around but it does not make him a 'bad' person.

MJL2010's picture

If this behavior was a one-off, I would agree with you. Sadly, this is a fairly regular occurrence with him.

BethAnne's picture

I still think it is harsh. Sure, address the behavior and try to change his habits is a good step but to deliberately try to diminish his self worth like that is a slippery slope.

Lemonygirl's picture

I would have just thanked him for recognizing and doing his contribution to the family and telling him it really does help everyone in the house not just him and not just you. 12 is not a fun age at all.

MJL2010's picture

Yes, that is my hope. At this point he can identify the things that his mother does that just don't add up (like when she suffers at the result of her own actions and blames it all on someone else, etc...). He needs to continue to have this all pointed out so that as he grows, he doesn't lose sight of his own power and choices in creating the life that he wants to live.

MJL2010's picture

Of course he's not one....yet....but he is learning from a master and it is our job (as parent, step-parent, and members of society) to combat such behavior.

Luckyone's picture

Does his mother have an actual diagnosis or are you just saying she has the traits of one? There is a difference.

If she is diagnosed then you may want to be concerned because those traits can be inherited.

If not, then he could just be acting the way he sees his mom act and that can be unlearned

But what you described here doesn't point to narcissism anyway, he just sounds like a kid. I am not making a judgement on his whole life because I have only this post to go by but my son would do the exact same thing and there is nothing wrong with him except he is a 14 year old boy.

The term narcissist is thrown around a lot when in reality it is quite rare to find a true narcissist. My ex is diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder and trust me, it is very different from just being a selfish asshat

MJL2010's picture

How did he get diagnosed, Luckyone? It seems so rare to have them actually get a diagnosis. BM has not been diagnosed that she has admitted anyway but she is absolutely a narcissist- DSM-V every single trait checks out.

Luckyone's picture

He was diagnosed by a psychiatrist. The sad part is he was diagnosed in his early 20's before I dated him and nobody told me! Gee, sure would have been a nice tidbit of info to have.

MJL2010's picture

Yes Mustang, obviously a psych test would diagnose that. However, many narcissists don't believe that THEY are the problem so they are obviously not going to go get a psych test. BM claims to have seen many therapists who have all assured her that DH is the problem and is at fault for everything that has gone wrong in her life. I don't believe a word of that. Sound familiar? So what I'm asking is....how the hell to get these people to want/recognize their need for help? And yes I agree totally that many people have one or two traits that may be narcissistic- it is a very human tendency- but most recognize when they're being this way. I am not sure that BM does.

Luckyone's picture

Sometimes they don't. Why would they care? They are fine. Everything is everyone else's fault. Etc.

MJL2010's picture

Right. I'm convinced that talking about it as part of making mental health more of a national concern and not a taboo subject- raising awareness- is a good thing, and long overdue.