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jennysue's picture

So we have reported BM and her boyfriend for child abuse. My 5yo SD came over Friday with a bruise on her cheek. Once we got her to speak about it we found out that BM's b/f slapped her across the face for letting her 9mo sister fall off the couch when she was babysitting.... yes you are reading that right they have a 5yo in charge for a 9mo. While they have their bedroom door closed and locked... my SD told us that the b/f slapped her across the face then grabbed her by the hair and threw her on the ground so she would know how the baby felt. All the while mom is just standing there. this is nightmare #1.... Nightmare #2 for me is that SD may be coming to live with us depending on if DFS actually does something THIS time. While I do not want the child to be beat, when she is in our house my life is hell, absolutely selfish I know. Sometimes I feel bad just thinking badly about her. And I know my husband is primarily to blame for the hell I'm in. He allows her to speak to me in a hate filled tone. She took a swing at me this weekend and I wanted to spank her tuchis but with everything going on if I raise my tone my husband yells at me. So she is allowed to talk back, call me names, hit me, throw stuff and act like a monster. Granted I was never abused as a child so I don't know what she's going through and I'm trying to be understanding. But I don't think she should be allowed to run our house either. I gave her a bath Saturday. While she was playing I got out all her clothes, I got her out of the tub, started to help her dry off, she wanted to do it herself which is good. But then she wanted to dance around naked and complain of being cold all the while. I said if you don't want to be cold put your clothes on. She danced around some more. then complained of being cold, i again responded put your clothes on. This went on for 15 minutes. Finally I had had a enough and yelled stop whining about being cold and just put your stupid clothes on. She began crying and screaming. My husband runs to her rescue and asks me what I did to his princess. I tried to explain. He said she's a kid and i shouldn't have yelled at her i should have just turned the heat on. Really it's 75-80 degrees outside. absolutely not. Then over at G-ma's house. She wanted to use Gma's silver wear to dig in the dirt. I said no you have a shovel and stuff out here you do not need to use gma's silver wear. She starts crying again and they both come running and give her a big spoon and tell me she's a kid and she can use a spoon. Then they wonder why the rest of the day if she asked me for something i referred her to them. Since anytime i try to do something. I'm wrong. I tell her no snack/chocolate/candy before breakfast if you are hungry eat breakfast. I'm being mean for telling her no. I've been told she is just being a kid. I respond OK she's being a kid and I'm being a parent by not allowing her to have what she wants when she wants it. apparently I'm the only one that feels this way.... Sad

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DaizyDuke's picture

agree with this.... you are in for a long ass haul here... she is not going to get better, if anything she is going to get worse.

The only other thing I worry about is that you are getting the BF slapping and throw down story from a 5 year old who you readily admit is a master manipulator. You did the right thing in reporting it as you certainly wouldn't want to sweep an accusation like that under the rug, BUT I would wonder about the TRUE story.

Willow2010's picture

Why are giving her a bath? Where was daddy during this time?

If you are not married, then you need to bail soon. This little girl is probably going to need a mother figure very soon and you two don't seem to mesh very well.

RedWingsFan's picture

I'd jump ship now! No indication that anything will get better or change anytime soon...

Annanymous's picture

You should not be doing any caregiving like that AT ALL. You are not parenting, you are Dad's girlfriend, not a parent.
You were right to refer her to her Dad and Grandma for anything she asked or wanted. Do not try to fill a parental role or tell him how to parent; it's his kid. Sure, they are raising a monster, but you're not that little monster's parent and no matter how crappy you think her mother is, she still has a mother.

You should have a discussion with him that you feel she needs structure and boundaries and shouldn't be rewarded for being horrid to you, but that you are not going to correct her any longer and you are trying to find your place with his daughter and you truly just want to help, but realize trying to "parent" is not helping - because it's not.

This is how it will be, too, for the rest of your life, but instead of 5yr old getting to run the show, imagine a 12yr old or 16 yr old Princess that you serve and cannot correct or if you do Daddy and Gma will bring the smite down on your disobedient head in Princess's realm.

Yeah.

jennysue's picture

I'm afraid my marriage will not survive... DH lets her run all over him and gets made at me if I try to stop her from allowing the same. She does need a mother and someone to teach her right from wrong. My spouse just wants to be the good guy. I deal with the parenting as long as it's on HIS terms. I love my husband, Monday - Friday until 5 PM is great. Then she comes over and life as I know it changes. She's a smart little girl too. If it's just the two of us there are no tears for the word no. No means no not cry until I get my way. The second Daddy steps into the door, things change. She'll say I'm mean. I feel like I spend more time defending myself for just trying to do what's right. Make sure she eats properly, brushes her teeth, takes a bath. I'm the only one of every adult in her life, that knows what letters she needs to work on in her alphabet, her favorite movie, color, book, shoe size, pant size and shirt size. I taught her to tie her shoes and I'm the one that takes off work when she is sick or takes her to the doctor when she needs to go. I signed her up to go to school, even though she "lives" with her mom. I'm the one in constant contact with her teacher. Without me this child will be lost. I love her and hate her all at the same time. I've tried talked to my husband but he feels bad she lives with her mom and we can't afford the paperwork to get custody so he makes up for it by allowing her to do what she wants when she wants. I have tried disengaging from her. It will last for a week or two. But when a kid asks me to read her a book, I know her BM will never do it. How can I say no. My husband does it but he just reads the book he doesn't get into it like i do. Some i'm torn between taking care of myself and taking care of this mixed up kid that needs help

unsure99's picture

Have you tried to talk to your husband when she is not there and show him some articles on how entitled children grow up, how they turn out to be. Start out by making it that you love her and want her to have a chance in life and don't sound judgmental toward him so he gets on the defense. He needs to understand that you do what you do, discipline, because you do love her not because you are trying to be mean. He feels sorry for her because she is mistreated at her mothers. I understand that, but he is doing her harm too. In my opinion just as much long term harm as she is getting at her mothers. I think they both need to see a therapist. I agree with some of the others, if he does not get on board with you it's going to just get worse for you. He has to be on your side, which is the good side!!

MarriedaBallessWonder's picture

Practice What You Preach

Raising Responsible versus Entitled Children

Marsha B.Sauls, Ph.D.

It is amazing how well our kids learn what we teach them. The only problem is that most of the things they learn from parents is communicated without words. This is probably why most parents have made the statement "If I've said it once, I've said it one hundred times and they just don't get it!" Most kids don't `get it" by listening.

Being responsible and being entitled are two abilities that are particularly difficult to teach with words. That is because a person learns to be responsible or entitled according to what he or she is rewarded for. To teach responsibility one rewards for accomplished behavior. To teach entitlement one rewards for something other than accomplished behavior. Most parents do a little bit of both.

Parents can tell if their child is responding from an entitled perspective or a responsible perspective in two ways. First, by observing and listening to the child's response and secondly, by checking out their own feelings about this response. A responsible child, when made a request of or denied something, will register displeasure and a parent may feel mildly guilty during the interchange. In short order, however, understanding is reached and life goes on.

An entitled child will begin with the same register of displeasure about being requested to do something or denied something but will continue to escalate the situation. The escalation usually takes the form of berating, belittling and comparing the parents to others. The parents' feelings move quickly past mild guilt and on to anger, helplessness, and then incompetence until an attitude of, "It wasn't worth it." prevails. The scene occurs because the child is reasoning from a set of beliefs that say in essence, "I am here to be taken care of and my main purpose and goal in life is to have fun." The parents are reasoning from a set beliefs that are founded in the premise that the child understands that parents are people too and as such they have mental, physical, and financial limits and would appreciate some emotional and physical help at times. It is at these time parents scratch their heads and wonder what is going on. What is going on is that there are two (sometimes more) people arguing, each one coming from a different perspective and each one right in their own perspective.

How does it happen that a parent who wants to teach a child to be responsible ends up in this helpless place with an entitled child who has such a different perspective? In this article an explanation of how to raise an entitled and how to raise a responsible child will be given. No one uses one or the other model 100% and it is not recommended to do so. A balance is necessary. If, however, as a parent you feel incompetent and helpless in most of your interactions with your child you may be raising a child that is too entitled and may want to model more of your interactions with your child after the responsibility model. On the other hand, if you feel you are always in control and your children usually refuse your help and are counting the days before they leave home you may be using the responsibility model too much.

PARENTING FOR ENTITLEMENT

According to World Book Dictionary, an entitled person is one who has a right to ask for or get something. He or she is a privileged individual. The important part of this definition is the word "right." There is no concept or understanding that the "right" is earned. It is bestowed and once given it can be exercised by the entitled person at any time with the expectation that it should be honored.

Training a child to be entitled is a very easy task. As parents we do it constantly by rewarding children for just existing. We don't require consistent behavior to be demonstrated before we give privileges. We give them because our child has reached a certain age. As the child ages, privileges are given based on what "everybody else" thinks a child can and should have at a particular age. This belief is based on the understanding that a child should be able to  demonstrate certain responsible behavior at these ages in order to achieve the rewards. Somehow, however, the request for demonstration of responsibility is lost and the only requirement for reward is age. Some parents even use their children to display their own "success" by giving their children privileges even earlier than their age warrants. As more privileges are given, the child becomes more entitled. And note, these are not rewards. They are privileges.

In this model, the parenting goal is to make the world a pleasant, satisfying, happy place for the child. It is important to parents that their children have things easier than they had things. Parents, when using the entitlement model of parenting, believe:

1) Children deserve and have the right to be happy all the time.

2) Parents need to protect their child from experiencing natural consequences that result from irresponsible behavior. For example, allowing a child off restriction in order to attend a practice so he or she can play in the game on Saturday.

3) The only way to judge a child's responsibility level is to listen to what the child says or promises he or she will do in the future.

4) When children reach a particular age they have rights to certain privileges. If they demonstrate incompetence after the right is given, the right can be taken away and the child will understand that he or she should now work for what previously was given for nothing.

The result of rewarding children because of their age is an entitled child who has lived in a world where he or she has been rewarded for existing. The child has no concept of having to earn or do something to get or maintain a reward. The entitled child has the following beliefs:

1) My life should consist of the pursuit of happiness, pleasure, and fun.

2) You owe me what I need to have a pleasant, fun life.

3) I can and should be angry when I'm requested to do something to earn what I believe is owed to me.

4) I can and should be angry when privileges are taken away because they belong to me.

As a result, the entitled child is typically belligerent, angry, usually lazy, and does not feel it's necessary to plan ahead or consider others' lives when making plans. An entitled child does not have any concept that "parents are people too" and may have some needs. An entitled child has no understanding of the fact that their own behavior can result in positive or negative consequences for them. The entitled child's favorite phrases are: "Everybody else does it. Why don't you trust me?" "It's their fault." "That's not fair!" "I need...' "I want...' "You are always on my back." And, later, "I'm leaving!"

PARENTING FOR RESPONSIBILITY

A responsible person is defined as one who understands that there are consequences for behavior and therefore plans ahead so that the  consequences will be pleasant rather than unpleasant. To be responsible means that one has to do something or behave in a particular way. To judge responsibility therefore requires one to evaluate behavior. To teach responsibility requires a parent to reward a child for accomplished and completed behavior rather than for expected behavior or talk about future plans.

In this model, after a behavior is repeatedly demonstrated a reward is given. For example, if a child repeatedly demonstrates he or she can care for oneself then the child is given the freedom to spend the night out. The more rewards given, the more freedom the child has. And that's what most kids want. It is important to note that in this model the name for what is given is a reward not a privilege. Rewards are things that are earned. Privileges are given before the fact.

The goal for parenting in this model is for the child to learn that their own behavior controls their life. Continuous responsible behavior brings positive rewards and freedom. Continued irresponsible behavior results in rewards not being given in the first place and may result in their loss, temporarily, when mistakes are made. In this model earning something is seen as a normal and natural part of life. One gets according to how one performs.

Parents who use this model of parenting believe:

1) Parents do not have to ensure that their children are happy all of the time.

2) If natural consequences occur as the result of a child being irresponsible, such as missing an important event or being embarrassed in front of friends, it's okay.

3) It is important to communicate with their children by reading their behavior rather than only listening to their words.

4) Children are learning and will make mistakes, therefore rewards are given only after repeated consistent behavior rather than after one good deed.

In this parenting model a child learns that they don't automatically get things just because they exist. As a result, the child can respect and appreciate others efforts because they have a personal understanding of what it means to earn something. In addition they develop a personal sense of power (empowerment) and self esteem because they know that their control of their own behavior will and can determine what they get in life.

Because learning to be entitled or responsible both require rewards, one for being and the other for behavior, they are both learned over time. Therefore, to unlearn either model will also take time. If you experience your child being consistently disrespectful of you, thwarting your efforts at parenting, and find yourself feeling helpless or incompetent as a parent, your child is too entitled. To change this you will have to change your beliefs as a parent, start rewarding your child only after consistent, demonstrated positive behavior, and be willing to have your child be unhappy sometimes. An entitled child can be quite a formidable force and will fight hard to maintain the status quo. The older the child, the harder the struggle because there is a longer history of entitlements to overcome. Parenting groups, a therapist, or sometimes even a supportive, understanding friend or family member can be an invaluable support system for parents trying to change parenting models.

The bottom line is that we all learn from our experiences. If your child is not learning what you want him or her to learn, change what they experience.

Marsha B. Sauls, Ph.D. is a licensed psychologist in private practice