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RIP Disney Parenting... Finally

daisydiamond82's picture

Oh boy. What a week and change it's been in our house. So, two weekends ago SD10 had Covid and BM refused to take time off work to keep SD at her house to quarantine. My SO had to take her to his parents' house (they are away on a trip) to quarantine and try not to expose himself and by extension me. It ended up working out and SD is recovered now and neither of us ended up with Covid. Thank goodness. SD had a lot of time at BM's last week so we didn't see her much but SO and I had a couple discussions about SD and her behavior lately.

I've posted before about my SD and her trouble sleeping. It's been going on for almost three months now and SO and I are about done. SD will go to bed and then 30-45 minutes later she's standing in front of us crying saying she can't sleep unless we give her some melatonin. Now, SO and I don't have a problem with SD taking melatonin occasionally but it shouldn't be something she's relying on every night like this. Her pediatrician agrees and says she can take it but only on an as needed basis. The melatonin dependence isn't the only thing affecting her sleep, though. She's stating she is having nightmares, or bad dreams, and will wake us up in the middle of the night to be tucked back in. Most of the time she's up to use the bathroom. I've caught her twice now saying she's had a nightmare but I've heard her go to the bathroom, go back to her room, and then come to ours to get SO up to tuck her back in. At 10 this is way too much dependence on her dad in my opinion. I also think it's her way of getting some extra attention from SO and it makes her feel special. 

SO and I (and BM) decided it's time for SD to talk to someone about her sleeping issues. My SO is going to call the school this week and set up a time for her to talk to the school counselor. We are clearly out of our depth here and don't really know what more we can do. We've tried to be nice and understanding. We've tried being frustrated and annoyed with her. The only thing my SO hasn't done is what I think he needs to do: He needs to tell her to go back to bed and not tuck her in. He needs to stop coddling her. I told him this and he agreed. He even admitted to coddling her and said he can see how that has made things worse. So, he's working on that with a lot of encouragement from me.

We sat SD down and told her that it's time we start addressing the sleeping issue and that she'll be talking to a counselor about her problems. When SO asked her (I don't know why he even did this) if she thought it was a good plan she said, "No." I think SO was surprised and asked her why and she said, "Because I don't want to talk about my personal stuff with some counselor." Then we had to reassure her the counselor won't share her secrets with us, but they are there to help her in ways we simply can't. Then she got upset and started crying about it. Always the water works, this one.

If I had to take a guess I think SD has sleep anxiety. She gets herself all worked up before bed, and then while she's trying to fall asleep. She lays there and thinks about all the scary things imaginable and it's no wonder she can't sleep. Her aunt, my SO's sister, calls SD a self fulfilling prophecy and man is she right. I also guess this because I went through something similar at her age. I mentioned it to SD and she asked how I got over it. I told her it took some work but eventually I realized there was nothing to be afraid of... movies and monsters aren't real. I think the thing that upsets SD so much is knowing she has to work through this and we aren't going to throw melatonin at the problem and continue to tell her what good girl she is. Her parents are not really seeing her in the light they used to and it's kind of refreshing for me.

SD came back to our house yesterday and was already in trouble less than an hour after arriving. SO told her to take a shower and after her shower she came out and said her phone was being funny. SO and I looked at it and the warning on the screen was about water in the charging port. SO asked her why her phone would be wet and SD said, "Well, I took it in the shower with me like I always do," and I thought SO was gonna lose his shit. He asked her why she had it in the shower. She said because she was watching videos on it. He said she doesn't need to be doing that in the shower and that was absolutely ridiculous. Again, tears started. I took the phone and put it in front of a fan, on low, on a towel to let it air dry. SO started to tell her he wasn't mad at her and I cut him off and said, "But it's your responsibility to take care of this phone and you have not been." SO agreed. The phone is actually on BM's plan so it only matters a little to us if she ruins the phone, but otherwise we know we aren't responsible for it (and so does BM). SO told BM and they agreed SD is grounded from her phone for a while. SO pulled me aside and said he thinks she's addicted to her phone and I said, "Yep and I've tried to tell you a bunch of times."

SD is on her phone from the second she wakes up until about 30 minutes before bedtime. Freaking yikes. When she gets ready for school in the morning, she's glued to her phone the entire time watching youtube videos or whatever. Eating breakfast, watching her phone. Brushing her hair, watching her phone. Getting dressed, watching her phone. I've seen the problem, mentioned it to SO who tries to justify it by saying, "She takes breaks" and we both know she doesn't really take any breaks. I told SO he needs to start paying more attention to what she's doing because clearly he hasn't been. He agreed and said he'd work on it.

I'm glad the Disney parenting is coming to an end and we're starting to deal with the problems SD has been having/causing. SO and I moved in together in June (we've been together 3 yrs) and before we even moved in together I told him the Disney/guilt parenting needed to come to an end for our relationship to work. I was tired of seeing it when we were spending weekends together with SD where she got to call all the shots. Even on my birthday last year she tried to tell us what we were doing that day even though SO clearly said, "Daisy, it's your day, what would you like to do?" SD chimed in, "we should go to the park and the store for crafts and maybe the library," before I could even answer. I was furious. Her calling all the shots has pretty much stopped now. SO is putting his foot down more with her and making her compromise more on what she wants to do vs what we want to do. I think SD has some feelings about me living there and the changes it caused with SO and his parenting. Now that I'm there I see the things SO wasn't seeing/didn't see before and bring them to his attention so SD doesn't really get away with the crap she used to. Maybe she'll hate me at some point in the near future, but that's a risk I'm willing to take.

Ok. I'm done now. Thank you for letting me vent/share what's going on in my step parent life. 

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lieutenant_dad's picture

Glad that there is a plan in place for her!

My YSK had/has sleep issues. Once they became a preteen, the rule was they needed to stay in their room except to go to the restroom. They had/have nightmares, so we made sure to have nightlights available for them to leave their room comfortably. They had a "bed time" but it was really just a time they needed to be in their room for the night. They could have their light on, read, watch a show, listen to music - whatever. They just couldn't disturb anyone else.

This was in combination with melatonin and BM dealing with it through their pediatrician. Once they moved in with us, they started going to therapy and addressing some of it with them (plus their doctor). They have kept themself on a pretty strict nighttime and waking schedule. They're still tired and nap a lot, but I remember being 16 and sleep being both difficult to find and a glorious gift from the heavens.

Figure out ways to support her being independent in the night, and see if her pediatrician recommends a sleep study. The counselor can also recommend some ideas to help. Taking away the phone at night by 6 or 7 PM is probably a good idea, too, so she doesn't watch or read something scary that could make it worse. If she wants white noise or a television, find a white noise machine and a television with a DVD player with some appropriate things she can watch or turn on in the evening. It's not a perfect solution, but it will get the job done.

la_dulce_vida's picture

Studies show that blue screens (phones and computers) disrupt sleep. To better help her fall asleep, it's time to implement limits on her blue screen use. The cell phone and any other tablets or computers need to be off limits at least 30 minutes or more before bedtime. This may take some dedication from her father in that he could possible volunteer book to/with SD leading up to bed time. There also need to be some strategies in place for what she can do if she wakes up at night. She can have pre-teen coloring books, listen to music or read a book, but she is not to disturb your sleep.

The main thing is limiting access to blue screens.

daisydiamond82's picture

Yep this was also an idea SO and I agreed on. 30 minutes before bed is family reading time. All three of us will sit and read/color/do something without a screen. SO and I have also talked about being on our phones less around SD to be better examples in regards to screen time. I don't really think we're THAT bad. We make it a point to not be on phones at dinner or when we're all watching a movie together or really when we're spending any time together. Less screen time literally never hurt anyone though so it's something I don't mind being more mindful of.

Felicity0224's picture

I feel awful for your SD. Lack of sleep or poor quality sleep can impact every area of life. My DD is prone to anxiety and went through a phase where her sleep situation was completely out of sorts and she was waking me up every night for weeks on end. We started her in therapy and it made a world of difference. One of the first things the therapist addressed with her (after giving her some tools to handle anxiety/panic) was the fact that if she's having trouble sleeping, waking mom (me) up when there isn't anything I can do about it, isn't productive. She still has some restless nights, and if she's truly in a panicked state, she will wake me up. But more often than not she deals with it herself using the techniques her therapist taught her. 

You may already be aware of this, but in a lot of people, melatonin causes really vivid dreams. Mine weren't always nightmares when I took it, but they were vivid enough that they really disturbed me to the point that I refuse to take it ever again and I won't give it to DD.

daisydiamond82's picture

I'm so glad to hear that therapy helped your DD. I'm hopeful it'll give my SD some tools to help herself through this. Don't get me wrong, I know I'm complaining about her behavior but I do feel bad, somewhere deep down in my mean stepmommy heart, that she's not getting enough sleep and that it's taken this long for her parents to take it seriously enough to do something about it. We've adjusted bed time so it's earlier on week nights (used to be 930-945, it is now in bed at 845, lights out at 9...) so she can actually get more sleep and be better rested for school. I've also pointed out that we cannot do anything for SD when she wakes us up in the middle of the night and it's not productive. I hope hearing that from a counselor will help her understand why we don't want her waking us up. 

I also have crazy, vivid dreams when I take melatonin and it was honestly the first thought I had when SD started complaining about bad dreams. Mine range from scary to just weird and I'm pretty sure SD is having the same affect. I mentioned it in our little talk we had with her about seeing the school therapist. She didn't seem to buy it (probably because she loves taking it so much) and said it's from all the scary stuff she's watched with BM. *eye roll* I mean, it's probably both, let's be real. I think she enjoys taking the melatonin because it knocks her out and she doesn't have to work at falling asleep. SO and I discussed giving her some kind of placeebo to see what happens. I mean, it feels a little sneaky and we probably wouldn't do it but it's a thought we had. 

Felicity0224's picture

I was going to say, 'd be tempted to give her like a gummy probiotic or something and tell her it's melatonin. That may or may not be ethical, but.... It would at least help with physically weaning her off of it because otherwise her body isn't going to get back to making it naturally.

Something else that I forgot to mention: sleep stories or meditations using the Calm app have been really helpful for DD. I originally gave her a locked iPad that would only access Calm, but I didn't want her tempted to look at the screen/blue light around bedtime, so now I have her choose whatever story she wants a few hours prior to bedtime and I stream it through a Bluetooth speaker in her room. I use it myself when I'm restless and those stories seriously do knock me out within 10 minutes most of the time. 

Cover1W's picture

Good luck. I think you'll have to have consistency from DH for MONTHS in a row before declaring Disney time over. DH can say whatever he wants to me then he'll be right back to ground zero as soon as any SD came over. He's STILL Disney after over 5 years ago of discussion about it and many suggestions from me.

Is she on her phone at night?  OSD was like this too - I think she did take her phone to the bathroom when showering, although she didn't bring it INTO the shower with her. There'd be water all over the floor so I think she was watching it propped somewhere with the curtain pulled back. None of my problem however.

DH did eventually (two or three times only) turn off the wifi "it's not working right now" to make her stop. But lord forbid he actually remove the phone.

Keep calm.

thinkthrice's picture

Be prepared for the Guilty Daddy Backslide aka 180.    All this spoiling and letting her have constant screen time has resulted in a, for the lack of a better word, attention whore kid.   She has to be the focus every minute of the day.  This is an outcropping of spoiling and thinking the universe revolves around her.  At 10, Daddykins doesn't ASK her what she wants to do; he TELLS her!!!

Geez these wimpy namby pamby "parents."   Number one rule of parenting.  The PARENTS make the rules (and should stick to them) and NOT the children.   May need to put that phone in rice.   I would take the phone away from her  or block her mac address on the router for the entire stay and no TV at night.  Tire her out physically; make her run around the house several times.  Let her have a meltdown.  Sounds like you kind of have BM on your side but who knows how long that will last.

Boy how times have changed.  We got SPANKINGS if we dared to get out of bed!!!  Somehow we survived.

Cover1W's picture

Yes the ASKING the kid drives me nuts. DH complains that YSD doesn't do anything with him or go anywhere, but DH, you keep ASKING her if she'd prefer to stay here or go do X. Of course she's going to stay here because she's that kind of teen. You TELL her she's going to the store with you - no questions. (This worked with me before I fully disengaged)

Every time I tell him, but you phrased it as a question to her about what she wants to do - she's always going to choose herself if it's not something she prefers to do.

Drives me NUTS.

daisydiamond82's picture

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying I think this man has completely thrown being a Disney Dad out the window and seen the light and has decided to never, ever act like a guilty dad again. Lol. I have realistic expectations. I know it's going to be A LOT of hard work on his end to keep up the consistency of actually parenting his kid. While I'll encourage and support as much as I can, I know it's up to him to consistently parent SD. There will be mistakes and bad days/weeks/months I'm sure.

I effing HATE the asking her what she wants to do crap. I've pointed it out on more than one occasion that is a big reason she acts like she rules the house and has to be the star of the show. He gives her way too much say in her life in things that she shouldn't have a say in. I've pointed it out and we've talked about it so at least he's aware. Like I didn't think she should get to choose what time she goes over to BM's house on transition day. It's whatever time BM gets home from work and is ready for her. This is pretty recent (within last 6 months), too, because SO would say, "Hey, mom's ready for us to head over. Do you want to go now or do you want to stay here and play for a little bit?" I told him right away to stop doing that and he was giving her too much control. No more of that or pretty much ever asking her when she's ready to do something. Like if we're going somewhere we're going when it makes sense for everyone not at SD's appointed time. Things are better now than they were a year ago, but I'll continue to accept any progress that comes in stopping Disney Dad.

Cover1W's picture

Oh yes, DH eventually gave both SDs say over the exchange schedule. Drove, and still drives me a bit nuts although I don't let it interrupt me any longer. Last year he'd have to log off work several hours early to pick up YSD or drop her off because she couldn't possibly wait until he was off work. Then he'd complain about not finishing up. I'd give him no sympathy. Change the schedule. But she wants to go back then....FFS you are the adult with the work schedule! You actually take precedence here! Anyway YSD16 creates her own schedule and since both parents let her, I leave them to it. Hope your DH resolves this now!

Badger1986's picture

Ok, so my ss tried this with us one time. So, I gotta give it to my wife. She was not having it and explained that we needed our time away from him and if he wants more time he should get to bed when we ask him to. Also, I just let him sit outside our door in the night and just knock until he got tired of it and went back to sleep. Never had the problem again. My wife is very big on no melotonin unless needed, as well. Hang in there! 

Winterglow's picture

This is just a thought, but how about getting your dh to take her for a walk ( the longer the better) before dinner. 2reasons, firstly to give her some physical fatigue and secondly to take her away from screens. Oh, wait, thirdly, your dh gets to have some real quality time with her. 

Badger1986's picture

That's a good idea. We do that almost every night after dinners. I would also make sure that screens are off before bed or just let your husband deal with it. She's not 3 months old. She can take her behind to sleep. Back in the day, if we came out our room my parents would get the belt and we would never do it again. Now if we were scared from a night terror they would be nice but they knew when we were just being punks. 

Noway2b1's picture

I had insomnia from about age 10-13 due to anxiety etc. My brother was dating a hypnotherapist and she talked me through a protocol for relaxing my body and mind and falling asleep. It worked!! I still occasionally use it 40 years later. I'm out like a light within ten minutes when I use it. 

SteppedOut's picture

Share? I have pretty regular insomnia due to stress hormone fluctuations. Last night I got 2 hours and it SUCKS to commute, work, commute like that.

Noway2b1's picture

The biggest thing that helped me back then was moderating my breathe (He talks about breathing in this video) @about 4:30 into the video, there was no YouTube back then. I'll pm you this too in case you miss it.