Guilt, guilt and more guilt - sigh...
Last night at Jeanette’s was interesting. The focus of the session was why DH is stuck wishing and hoping that ASS will go to college, when ASS has made it clear that he won’t go unless someone else pays the entire cost. Therapist has been asking him to come up with the exit plan for a long time now, and DH has not done so, mostly because he has his head in the sand and doesn’t feel like “kicking ASS out of the house” is the right thing to do.
DH finally admitted that he can’t control what ASS will do and that he is “afraid” that ASS will end up making bad choices. Therapist said that that kind of fear is why some of her clients have their 30 year adult children living in their basements – lol!
DH said that the last time he and ASS talked about it, ASS said he was going to move out after graduation. Duh – this is what he has always said. Therapist impressed upon DH the importance of ACTUALLY MAKING A PLAN with ASS – sort of a “hey, I know this is what you want to do, so let’s figure out a way to get you there” without offering up to pay rent, utilities, blah blah blah blah. Of course, this is what I have been saying all along, but hey, what do I know about raising kids?
DH said that ASS will probably go live with his parents or Medusa’s dad (who is a total dick) and SM (who is really nice but a totally enabling parent to her own kids) after graduation – here’s hoping!! I can’t imagine DH’s parents, who are 76 and 74, wanting an 18 year old kid who doesn’t have a job and doesn’t have a driver’s license hanging around the house, but if they do, more power to them. I think what is more likely to happen is that ASS moves in with Medusa’s dad and SM – Medusa’s dad just became a partner in a restaurant down the road from his house and he is all about looking like the hero so I can see him letting ASS move in with them and working at the restaurant. I don’t see SM liking that plan, because they travel A LOT and I can’t see her wanting ASS in her house when they aren’t there, but again, more power to them if they do.
DH is just riddled with guilt about ASS. We ended the session talking about BabyVoice and Karate Kid and how they are relatively “normal” teens and how it’s not his fault that ASS is being, well, an ASS. That DH has reached the time to let go of ASS and see what happens. I put a little bit of a different spin on it and asked DH if ASS was an addict, would his argument and guilt be the same? Would he support ASS and let him live in the house doing addict things? Would he not hold ASS accountable? He said no to all of these – whew!! I think he got my point, despite the fact that I was comparing apples to grapes…
I do feel badly for DH, I mean, I don’t have loser kids, so I can’t imagine what it must be like to know that your kid is probably percolating a mental illness, is an ASS just to be an ASS, hates your guts and feels like you owe him an existence BUT, the reality is that ASS will be 18 in 10 days and DH has no control over what another person does or doesn’t do.
So, tonight he and I will sit down (with a big bottle of wine) and talk about what, if anything, he and I will do to assist ASS with figuring out his future. DH is asking me to give ASS 60 days after graduation as the “GTFO” date – I am willing to consider that, at least I am right now. DH has agreed to up the GTFO date is ASS starts pulling the old “I am an adult and I can do what I want” card.
And, so it goes…
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I doubt I'd have to worry
I doubt I'd have to worry about this with Puke since BM will do anything to keep Puke with her and I don't make her comfortable here so win win.
I'm guessing it's hard to
I'm guessing it's hard to acknowledge that your kid is an ASS and will probably make poor choices and disappoint or embarrass you.
You would have to speculate as well. Your kids are doing well and I bet DH wishes ASS was more like them than the ASS he is. Another reason he should listen to you.
I think it is really hard.
I think it is really hard. And, for someone like my DH, who is a well-educated engineer, having your kid not go to college is just unthinkable.
Therapist actually took him to task last night about his attitude toward college. I have long maintained that it's not for everyone and that skilled trades are just as valuable, if not more, than a college education when one is in their early career days. Therapist pointed out that his attitude was a wee bit elitist
I take very little credit or blame for the way my kids have turned out. I am fully aware that while I provided the path to the staircase, they climbed it on their own...I gave them the right foundation, but they made choices along the way, too.
I think DH is rather sad that my kids are who they are vs his, who are damaged and dysfunctional. It breaks my heart for him.
I watched The Voice last
I watched The Voice last night and was amazed at how many grown adults still lived at home with their parents and stated it on national TV for the whole world to know.
I remember when it was super uncool to even be 19 YO and still living at home.
I admire your patience with
I admire your patience with your DH. I couldn't do it.
I try to put myself in his
I try to put myself in his shoes - as I have said before, I can't imagine what it must feel like to be ASS's parent. I really can't. They have nothing in common, he's the stinky smelly kid, he is an ASS, and just generally unpleasant. No one wants that kid
I also understand his desire to want his kid to be different. I understand that he keeps hoping things will change, but as Therapist said last night, it's time to face the reality and plan for the future.
I know what my boundary is, and I am prepared to follow it. THAT'S why it's easy for me to be patient. I know what my plan is...
I know ASS is a pain in your
I know ASS is a pain in your patootey, and that might be why you post about issues he causes the most. But how is DH as parent for BV and KK? Does ASS get all the time and attention?
ASS gets NO attention, moe.
ASS gets NO attention, moe. Nothing. ASS leaves the house at 6:30 in the morning and then goes directly to the library afterschool so he can have internet access. He doesn't come home until after DH and I are in bed.
DH is fine with BV and KK. He lets them get away with a little too much for my taste, but overall, it's nothing major.
DH is as disengaged from ASS as I am. He used to try to stay engaged but ASS rejected all attempts. ASS has made it clear that he wants nothing to do with DH and me. I am more than happy to grant that wish, but DH has much more trouble with that concept than I do.
Right? Parenting out of fear
Right? Parenting out of fear is such a foreign concept to me. I feel like kids are like sharks, and if they smell the blood in the water, you're gonna be eaten.
I am a "here is a problem, now let's solve it" kinda girl.
My husband is an engineer by education, so he is used to fixing things, identifying issues and providing solutions. In EVERY aspect of his life, except the parenting of ASS, he does this. He has no explanation other than it is his job to make sure ASS gets off on the right foot.
I remind DH constantly that he IS providing all the right things to get the skids off on the right foot, but at some point THEY have to be the ones moving those feet.
Sigh, indeed...
DH admitted last night that
DH admitted last night that he does nothing because he keeps hoping things will change....but they haven't and they won't and he's just going to have to make some decisions.
Hey WOB, There is also the
Hey WOB,
There is also the concept that eventually your DH will be able to help get ass on the right foot. Just not now. Let ass move out, fail, face some hardships, then maybe ass will come to the table willing to take your DH's help. At that time your DH may be able to put him on the right foot.
Maybe it is just all in perspective. It likely won't happen when he graduates but that does not mean it won't ever happen.
Just re-frame it.
oh, pokey, Therapist and I
oh, pokey, Therapist and I have been framing and re-framing for months now...
That's what I have been saying all along, that just because he doesn't want to go now, doesn't mean that he won't go later.
Now, I don't believe that, because ASS is Medusa, Jr., and therefore thinks he is above needing a college education, but what do I know??
Sorry WOB. I hope he really
Sorry WOB.
I hope he really does have a plan to get out the day of graduation.