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Tiger7's picture

Its Sun noon- just coming off a good weekend. Fri eve, SO & I, his daughter & my daughter went out for a bite. Sat, we had the family party for SD's sweet 16 bday. It was fun - everyone had a good time. She pulled SO aside and thanked him for the party and said she really loved it and was having so much fun. She thanked and hugged me later that evening. I'm sure she felt good that the focus was on her for a change and not her troubled sister. Well - that just came to an end about 10 mins ago. SO & I were talking and he was about to take SD16 to work when BM called. He has the phone to his ear but because she's so loud, I can hear most of what she's saying. SD18 is being released from the psych ward tomorrow. Today is her 18th bday - he told me a week or so ago that he signed a document that would keep her there longer so not sure what happened. I also heard BM say that SD18 will be going to a homeless shelter. As usual, she wasn't letting SO get a word in. I went upstairs and he left to take SD16 to work. He'll fill me in when he gets home. Interestingly enough, we had a conversation about SD18 a few hours ago - he asked me if I wanted to go with him to visit her and I said no thanks. He then asked me if I hated her or just her behavior. Told him it was her behavior - that I've prayed for her and sincerely want her to get well but that I am OFF of her roller coaster.....the one where she's talking to us and then suddenly hates him and not speaking to us. The one where she says the family doesn't do anything for her and then the one where she loves us again and wants stuff (money, bday & xmas presents, vacations). Yeah - I'm done. And I just reminded him that she's not welcome in our home. We spoke in depth and I was very clear on my position. So, it will be interesting to hear what he has to say when he gets back home. Obviously he won't want her at a shelter....I wouldn't want mine there either. But she is not welcome to come here and take advantage of us. She can go back to her mom's or maybe her grandmothers. BM has sisters - I don't see them offering to take her in either so its not just me. I will never ask him to choose me over his daughter....I will leave his decisions strictly up to him but I think he knows how firm I am in all this. I'll update tomorrow.

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Disneyfan's picture

This would be a deal breaker for me no matter which side of the fence I was on.

As a SM, she wouldn't be allowed in my home.

As a parent, I wouldn't send my child to a shelter simply to please my spouse.

Tiger7's picture

I told SO several times that if he wanted to get a place so she could stay with him, I would support that. I know he can't really afford it but he'll have to try. We'll see

ndc's picture

Everyone has known that this girl was going to turn 18 and be released from the juvenile psych ward. Has anyone been looking into alternate placements for her? Isn't there a social worker at the hospital who could help? Do her psychiatrists have any suggestions of placements that are something in between hospitalization and a homeless shelter? There has to be some alternative other than your home and a homeless shelter. I wouldn't want her in my home either, but her parents should be jumping through hoops to find something better than a homeless shelter.

Tiger7's picture

I wish I knew more than I do. I can only go by what SO tells me. He spoke to the psychiatrist at the hospital about 2 weeks ago - the dr agreed with him that she should stay in treatment and SO was able to sign a document that would keep her in anywhere from 2 weeks to 6 mos after her 18th bday (which is today) because she's still in school. He doesn't know yet if BM did anything to undermine or undo that. She's legally now an adult and can make her own decisions. She says she doesn't want to go back to BM's house so she can't be forced to. Last we knew, there is some program that her school has that places displaced students in housing - its a social services program. My ex's wife works for that school and SO asked her about it and she confirmed that there is such a program. What BM said today about her going to a shelter was not something we expected and quite frankly, I don't know if its true. He's been back home for hours now...I saw him briefly when he got home and told him I would be upstairs (cause I'm doing some work) but he hasn't come up yet to talk.

Tiger7's picture

There's a lot to this kid's story. More than I can state here. She's not evil, she is a smart girl who has issues. I have a degree in psychology but have not gone into that profession. I want to clearly state my position here.....I do not want anything bad to happen to this child. She has threatened to hurt herself and while I take that seriously, I also don't believe she actually wants to kill herself. She is crying out for attention. Her dad and relatives on his side of the family have gone out of their way to help her, love her, do for her, etc. Since I've been in her life for the past 3 years, I have also done a lot and shown her & sister love, compassion, etc. She is clearly a victim of PAS - textbook case. After 3 years of this....I'm drawing my line in the sand. I lived through trauma due to my ex's substance abuse. My kids and I went through a lot and got through it. Now that I have the peace I need, I won't give it up. And even though my 2 kids who are still at home are adults, its still their home and I'm not going to subject them to someone else's trauma and dysfunction. I will 100% support SO if he chooses to get a place of his own so SD18 can live with him. I just know he's not in a position to do that without making huge sacrifices to his other kids. He doesn't have much money and no car of his own. If he moves to his own place, it'll probably be a studio apt and they'll have to bus it everywhere. It can be done but will be difficult because of where he would be able to afford to live (inner city) and where he works - bus ride would take at least 1 1/2 hrs each way. He will also have no money for anything except rent and utilities and bus fare - literally. But if he needs to do it, then I support him. Even if I was agreeable to having her here (which I'm not), we don't have an extra bedroom. When she was coming every other weekend, she slept on a mattress on the living room floor - which I hated. She's a young woman who needs her own room. Her and her sister don't mind living like that at my house - that's how much they wanted to be away from BM. But I hate it. Its not right. I'll find out more of what's going on from SO tonight.

Tiger7's picture

SO just spoke to me briefly about all this....he's going to pick up SD16 from work. BM is the one who said SD18 was going to a homeless shelter. Then later in the conversation, she told him SD18 was going to an apartment paid for by social services. He says BM is always dramatizing everything - he never knows what is true and not true. He and SD16 are going to the hospital like they planned since its SD18's birthday. According to BM today - SD18 doesn't want to see SO which is odd, since she's been talking to him again lately. SD18 has also recently told SO that she wants to finish school. He tells me one thing and then BM says stuff to him that's the complete opposite. The reason he went back to court this past summer to get his custody order modified was to keep BM out of his relationship with both girls since they're old enough to speak for themselves. But she just won't butt out and she does everything she can to block him from getting information, etc. He works everyday and is at a job where he cannot be on his cell phone except on breaks. She will call him to do something for the kids during the day (like she set up a counseling session right in the middle of the day one time) and when he tells her he can't leave work, she accuses him of not being a good father and tells the girls he doesn't care about them. Its so twisted. He has reached out to doctors only to be told, they were expecting him at a meeting and he didn't show (when BM never even told him). This is a really abridged version but I'm sure some of you have SO's or DH's that have experienced this bs. I'm hoping and praying that SD18 gets the help she needs and I'm grateful that so far SD16 seems immune to the PAS that BM has tried to inflict on her too. She tells BM all the time that she loves her dad and wants to spend time with him. I appreciate opinions, insight and shared experiences. Telling me to leave him is not what I'm here for tho. That would be my decision alone but so far I have no intentions of leaving him because he has a difficult daughter and crazy BM in his life. He's a good man and we love each other.

--figureditout--'s picture

I've been in a similar situation. Sd is bipolar, over 18 and non-medicated. Haven't seen her in going on 3 years and after all of the smack talking she did, there is no room for her here. Mental illness is a hard road to travel, especially if they are dangers to themselves and others.
Feel free to message me if you want to vent.

Tiger7's picture

Monday - here's the update: BM had said the following - that SD18 was being released from psych ward today and going to homeless shelter; that SD didn't want to speak to or see SO; later in the conversation she said she (BM) was getting daughter an apartment through social services. There was a lot more but those were the bullet points. AFTER SO went to see SD18, he found out the following - that SD18 never said she didn't want to see him (he said they had a really good visit); that she's not going to a homeless shelter (that was never the plan). She will be released in the next few days as there is a program that is going to provide her with housing, paid for by social services and they get her a P/T job as well. She says she wants to finish high school (thru this same program, they help keep her on track to graduate and she will finish this summer instead of in June). She said she then hopes to go to the local community college. Her preference is to live with us but she knows that's not an option because of her recent past behavior. She realizes she has to make amends to a lot of people. She also admitted that she has no intentions of harming herself - she was just desperate to get out of her mother's house. I hope this is the right path for SD and I'm relieved she's ok. She does have many issues but I think being away from BM is the best thing for her. Once she's on her own, I'm going to talk to SO about suggesting to her that she go to her doctor for a full check up and see if she really needs to be taking all the meds that she's been on for years. Thanks for listening

hereiam's picture

I'm going to talk to SO about suggesting to her that she go to her doctor for a full check up and see if she really needs to be taking all the meds that she's been on for years.

That's a good idea. Being over medicated is not good and can cause a lot of issues.

ProbablyAlreadyInsane's picture

^^THIS

I had a best friend who had despression and severe anxiety.. Come to find out part of the issue was the meds she was on... The doctors had her on TONS after showing minor anxiety symptoms... It made it worse... After getting off a lot of them it actually made it quite a bit better!

TwoOfUs's picture

Read the original post and all the updates.

Don't have anything as extreme as what you've posted here, but do have an OSD who was a PITA for 6 years. Crying out for attention and boundaries, evil to her siblings, mean as a snake to DH, started cutting herself, bulimia, 'anxiety attacks' etc. DH tried counseling, meds, tried co-parenting with BM, which was impossible.

Eventually, he let her go because she was so nasty to him and to her siblings...he quit chasing her. A few months later, she moved out of BM's on her own and the turnaround was utterly remarkable. She's like...still introverted and shy but essentially a normal, healthy 21-year-old person now.

I told DH for years that the majority of her 'anxiety' was from a BM who coddled her, fussed over her...and, in doing so, deposited all of her fears and insecurities about life and about the divorce into her oldest child. I didn't see them interact that often...but I saw enough, and heard enough from the siblings and from BM herself.

It's been amazing how much better she is now that she's out of that house. The transformation was nearly immediate...she started seeking out my DH within a couple weeks of moving out of her mom's and they have a decent relationship now.

Sounds like your SD's issues may be deeper...but I'm hoping that living on her own for a bit might affect some positive change.

Tiger7's picture

I hope so too. Your story sounds encouraging. SD18 really does need to get away from BM. The woman is nuts. If I posted some of the things that come out of her mouth you might not believe me. She once called SO crying and begging him to meet up with her cause she needed to talk about their daughter. Mind you, we were at his sister's for a BBQ and both girls were with us. He records all their phone calls so he let me listen to this one....she swore that SD was going to be arrested for attempted murder probably that night. She went on and on. Needless to say, NOTHING happened and she never even brought it up again. Lunatic