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iamlosingit's picture

*please read prior blog before reading this or this won't make sense*

Last night DH went over his finances again after dropping off ss. He still doesn't understand where the money went. I was sitting next to him reading when he pulled up his laptop. Guys...it's bad. If DH wouldn't have had the insurance check SS wouldn't have even HAD his gd birthday party. And it was more than I thought, I knew DH spent at least $250, no....it was $370. And the day before DH deposited that check his balance was only $120. So that means right out of the gate POOF there goes $250 of the check. Now I see why the check vanished so fast, DH was basically living off it starting on Oct 14th until his payday yesterday. When I tried to bring this to his attention, his 'justification' was "well it's the first birthday party I've thrown him, it's just once" and I lost it and said "YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE!! I DON'T CARE THAT IT WAS ONCE IF YOU WOULDN'T HAVE HAD THAT CHECK YOUR CARD WOULD HAVE DECLINED AND THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO PARTY SO NO IT IS NOT OKAY" I don't understand how this isn't making sense to him! And before you say it, no I am NOT blaming ss for this at all but since that was the first purchase that dipped into that money yes I'm LIVID. And dh/me have thrown ss bday parties before, but it was just the usual cake/ice cream+dinner, invite friends and family over so yes this might have been the first "event planned" party, but GDAMMIT he DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! And I'm sorry but when you already owe somebody over $650 you don't go and spend another $370 on a PARTY and then pay that person you owe NOTHING. My sympathy is GONE. I don't care how many hours he works, I don't care if he has to have family watch his son on "his" days so he can work, I want this fixed NOW.
I think I kind of surprised him, because this weekend is supposed to be "our" weekend and he told me "I guess I have to work my other job Friday-Sunday then"...normally I would ask that he not work Sunday so we can have ONE day together (he doesn't work at all the weekends or weekdays he has ss) but this time I said "okay" without batting an eye. I seriously don't care anymore. My car is making a new noise, our intimacy is dead, we need groceries again, my savings are gone thanks to dh, I.DONT.CARE. if I don't see him I want my money back. If my car breaks down I am s.c.r.e.w.e.d. I have no bus by me or any coworkers to carpool with. I am walking on glass with my finances now, and the glass is cracking. I will NOT fall because of him. I am worth MORE THAN THIS DAMMIT. I want a PARTNER not a MAN CHILD.

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twoviewpoints's picture

How quickly can he earn what he owes by working both weekends and the days he has SS during the week? As NCP he could beg off to BM that he has an emergency cash situation that he needs to work off and won't be able to take SS on this this and this days for what? A month? Six weeks?

He has you to pay back, a checking account to build back and he has to replace his savings for any future crap he 'gets stupid over. You'll go on living just fine without seeing him for a short while. You can give him a kiss bye and tell remind him the quicker he gets his finances back in order the quicker you two will be able to spend time together again... then shove him right on out to work.

Your Dh is either playing you the fool or he is a fool and hasn't figured out how to handle and balance a checkbook. Sure, a checkbook account will say 'you have $600' er, until the $550 in checks clear the bank one wrote out three hours ago.

FWIW, forget the birthday party. Whether it was $250 or $370, whether it was for an event birthday or a dash for a spree. Bottomline is the idiot spent money without actually having the money to spend. It's not SS's fault. No kid is going to say 'Hey Dad, thanks for offering me this great party but are you sure you have the money you need in your bank account'. The kid didn't do this, your Dh did.

And really, no one needs hundreds of dollars of pocket money 'to live off of' a month if they don't actually have it and can afford to spend it. His home bills are being paid for by you, he needs some gas to get to work, other than that pack the man a peanut butter sandwich and tell him straight to work and straight home. If he's going to act the two year old, treat him like one.

iamlosingit's picture

As the blog stated, I did not blame ss for the bday party. I was just mad that this was the first of many purchases that dipped into the insurance check. Had dh not have had the insurance check in his account, the transaction for the party would have immediately declined and DH would have realized sooner that he had no money. Since the card kept "running", he just kept spending. And yes I agree, DH can't balance a checkbook. Since his CS isn't taken out of his paychecks due to a big issue with BM not reporting her income, DH lawyer told him to write her a personal check every month for CS. Since DH does not keep a ledger, all it takes is BM hanging onto a CS check from the first of the month, then when DH writes her one for the following month she cashes both and BOOM...DH overdrafts his account.

IDontCare3117's picture

Oy! It's like the old joke about the guy who complains to his bank there's no way he can be overdrawn because he still has blank checks.

If your DH were checking his account every few days he'd know which checks had been cashed and which hadn't. It's a really haphazard way of doing things, but it's better than what's he's doing now which is apparently spending until his card gets declined, or until the bank sends him an overdraft notice.

iamlosingit's picture

Right?? I tried to tell DH about my strategy: I have a piece of paper with 12 columns: 1 for each month written on the top of the sheet. Then going down the side I wrote each monthly bill in the order they were due going down until the end of the month. When these bills are paid, I write the amount and the date paid. This also helps me determine what check is paying for what bill since I have bi-weekly pay. I tried to explain this theory to my husband and he looked at me like I had 4 heads...

moving_on_again's picture

I just keep a notebook, I might have to try this. It sounds simpler than my notebook. Thanks!

Disneyfan's picture

"Had dh not have had the insurance check in his account, the transaction for the party would have immediately declined and DH would have realized sooner that he had no money. Since the card kept "running", he just kept spending."

Unless your husband has mental problems,he knew he did not have any money. The man is playing you and you are falling for it hook, line and sinker.

He spent the insurance money. He made the CHOICEA not to cover his share of the bills. Both things were done because he knew you would dish out the money to cover his selfish acts.

ESMOD's picture

Did he ever give you a full accounting where 5k went? I would want to see it since you had to cover him more than once.

iamlosingit's picture

He didn't show me any transactions for the 4k from July, he doesn't even know where that went because there aren't any large sums that came out just a million little purchases over the course of the month.
The 1k in 15 days went to ss bday party, gas (large vehicle so it costs about $75 on a good day per tank) student loans, cigarettes, two bottles of liquor, more gas, $150 at Wal-Mart for god knows what. . . Basically DH somehow only had $120 in his account left from his first payday after his CS,his vehicle payment, and more gas and ciggs.

secret's picture

Money burns a hole in some people's pockets....as long as the card doesn't say "declined", it's got money... cheques are the devil. Seems like many people don't understand they're not "live"... the money doesn't disappear out of your account the minute you hand it over.

lieutenant_dad's picture

Time for him to start living within his means. No more booze or cigs - those aren't necessary. Gas could be cut way down with fewer trips to all these extra places. Big cars are expensive to buy, so it might be good to sell and downsize. Any run to the store for over $100 isn't small, and should be discussed/agreed upon before it happens.

Your DH needs to go on a cash diet. He needs to physically see the money disappear. Does he have the option of getting a paper check that he can go with you to cash, then hand that money over to you? You can put the cash in envelopes for each payment, and give him an allowance after all that is done.

If it were me and he were my DH, the cash diet with his full participation would be the ONLY way I would stick around in this kind of financial disaster. He balks, I walk. That should be your slogan here. There is ZERO excuse for blowing through that kind of money.

secret's picture

Hooooooo...... easier said than done, for sure.

Cash diet is TOTALLY the way to go.

Bills/rent always get paid first
**at this time his debt to you is a bill
groceries in another
gas in another
cigarette money in one envelope
booze in another

That's all he gets for the week... and they're all in order of importance - amounts listed right on them, along with what was spent, where, and when...

if he has no money left for groceries, he needs to take it out of another envelope... what will he go without?

Whatever is left in an envelope at the end, when you put new cash in, what's leftover is his disposable income

Steppedonnomore's picture

Once DH has worked enough overtime to recoup the losses, check with local colleges, senior citizen centers (program are often open to everyone) or online resources for a short course in managing personal finances and enroll your DH. How on earth has the man made it thus far without having everything he owns repossessed since he can't keep track of his money/bills?

iamlosingit's picture

That's what I believe I commented on in my last post..how did he do it? Personally I think it was easier when we were renting. The landlord would give us a sheet of paper in the mail around the end of the month. On the sheet would be our rent and each itemized utility bill, all due before the 3rd of the month. We would take the amount on the bottom and divide it 50/50. With the house obviously the utilities are not all due at the same time, so DH can't plan accordingly due to...lord I don't even know what to call it...lack of motivation? I attempted the same strategy last month, I sent him a text that said "mortgage____+(1/2 of utilities)=amount you owe me this month, thinking that I would get a check or SOMETHING since it wasn't quite the end of the month yet....then come to find out the insurance money is gone. DH knows CS is due the beginning of the month, vehicle is the week after. I don't know when his student loans are due but I know he is usually late depending on what day his pay period falls on because he is very verbal about it. Anything else I honestly don't know.

JadeMom's picture

Good Lord. This is why I handle the finances and not DH. (Though I know in this case your finances are separate so there's nothing you can do)

My DH would do the same thing your DH did. Just reading this pisses me off for you.

DaizyDuke's picture

I went back and read your other blog and here is where I started hating your DH. He goes back into his checking account and discovers he somehow withdrew $4000 from his savings since July and has spent it on random crap. WTF? How do you blow roughly $5,000.00 and not know what the hell you spent it on?? I'm guessing the $5,000 he had in savings was from a tax return or bonus or something, because I'm also guessing this man can't save a penny to save his life. Not trying to be a brat, but I have no clue how you women live with men like this?? UGH!

And how old is your SS?? And what kind of party was this that your DH spent almost $400.00???? I am guilty of overdoing it for BS7 for his birthday because it's really close to Christmas, just like mine, so I know how bad that can suck. We've done a movie theatre party, rent a hall party, Sweet Frog party and I don't think I've ever spent more than $250.00 and again, I go all out with decorations, cake, pizza, etc. Did BM have a party for SS too? I'm guessing that you guys are NCP since you say DH has to pay CS, so why did the kid need TWO parties???

I'd like to kick your DH in his jerky junk for turning this around to make HIS problem with money into you being the evil, horrible, worthless SM and wife. Oh and make sure you throw out the "D" word DH, cause that always makes SM do what you want. (eye roll)

iamlosingit's picture

With the apartment and utilities they were both billed and due at the same time, he had no issues paying then other then the one time due to his brakes going out literally the day before the end of the month. With the house, even though I leave the bills out so he can see them (and also verbally remind him) he just can't seem to keep track of the due dates or amounts. I know he can, he just choses not too. No clue how he had 4k. Didn't know about it.
SS just turned 10. Party was an indoor trampoline park for 8 kids, food and drink, cake, balloons and tablecloth, and gratuity automatically added to the bill at the end of the party which was a ridiculous amount. We couldn't bring outside décor so you can imagine the upcharge on the balloons and cheap-o table cloth. Yes BM had a party for ss too but it was just a party for her family and ss. This was the first time ss had a party involving friends from school, also the first time DH planned an "event" instead of just the typical family get-together. BM and DH always did two parties since the split, the one year they tried to have a joint party DH learned the only reason BM invited him was so he could haul all of the rental chairs and tables with his car since BM doesn't have a license.

twoviewpoints's picture

The price was not a secret. When your DH booked the party the price of it and what any add-ons would be (if he decided to order an extra pizza or pitcher of soda, for example) is laid out and disclosed. Trampoline Park online site for my area clearly shows me , yeah, this little party was going to nail your DH x amount.

It is not a ridiculous price is one wants to do this and can afford to host a bunch kiddies to a couple hours of fun. It is a ridiculous price when you have a husband who has no money but books and throws a party anyway. This husband of yours has not made ends meet since July. Why would he honestly believe he had the extra cash laying around in his checkbook for this party? Oh, wait. Of course, because you just handed him a insurance check to cash and hold.

There would be no accident about it. No, 'I miscalculated' my checkbook. Nope. Look at this like this. You know what your Dh earns. You know when and how many hours he has worked. You know what and how much he smokes and what and how much he drinks (cost per package or carton and cost per bottle). You know what his CS is and when he pays. You know when his car payment is due and how much it is. You know how much gas cost and when much he puts in and how much he drives. You know when his school loans are due (I am not sure how you managed to buy a house and went through the closing process without knowing how much he pays in student loans). You know about what your monthly bills are and his half (heating, cooling, cable, phone, water blah blah). Now add it all up and see how much money extra your DH would have left to blow in a week and overall a month. Did he go over what that amount would be? Yep, he sure did.

mommadukes2015's picture

Girl I feel your pain. I was you 3 years ago. I posted on your other blog how things work in my house. It really has solved a litany of problems.

This is after I bailed SO out of 12 suspensions on his license that he just ignored for 10 years and helped him fix his credit. So he owed me over $8k.

L. Dad has the right idea-if he complains let the man sink his own ship, by himself.

still learning's picture

This guy is digging himself into a hole and expecting you to get him out, don't do it. Cut him loose and get a legal seperation until all of this is sorted out and he changes his habits. Stick with him and you'll find yourself in financial ruin.

Cover1W's picture

Sounds like a bad time.
DH is kind of like this as well, sticks head in sand about finances, ignores it while situation gets worse then when he can't ignore it blames the "system" - when he could have prevented it in the first place.

Before we bought a house and got married, I told him that all HAD to end. That he was not going to destroy my credit with his ineptitude. I gave him one chance, and he was late depositing his share of the second mortgage payment to our joint account and I found out too late to cover it. I was LIVID. He made excuses and tried to talk around it. I did NOT accept any excuse. Then I know his step-dad sent him money for some of our wedding expenses and I don't know what happened to it (he doesn't know I know this and I let that go).

Because of this I watch finances like crazy. I always have managed my own accounts well (my dad was in banking and taught me how from age 10 on) and DH has put a black mark on my credit. I am fierce in protecting it and since then not one joint payment has been late, on anything. If he doesn't have the money I'll front it to him WITHIN REASON and it goes on his tab. I keep a sheet with a tabulation of what I've covered, what he's paid back (he pays me back a certain amount each month), and what the new balance is. I don't ever let him off the hook. He's an adult and has the ability to figure the stuff out.

He told me recently that his step-dad sent some $ to him for our upcoming trip (we'll be visiting family this month). I told DH that that $ will cover our hotel cost and that it will be used for that reason only. DH's face fell, I knew he wanted it to cover some of his personal purchases, but not having it since it was clearly for US to use - I had to ask him 3x for the funds, but he did give it because I wouldn't let him shirk me.

After all this - he's still much better than he used to be and our joint debt is being paid off a little faster than expected. I also give him good news like this so we can see what good money management does.

Icansorelate's picture

your DH does not work on workdays when he has SS? that needs to end, today. He cannot afford to not work.

iamlosingit's picture

He works but it's WAY less hours because he has to leave early to make sure he is at the bus stop by the time ss gets off. I really despise how the judge set up the schedule, the judge KNEW what time DH got off work and decided his pick up time for weekday visitation would be one hour BEFORE this time. Throw in a winter storm and he has to leave even earlier to make sure he is there early or ss will be stranded at bus stop. Drive time from dh job to the bus stop takes about 30 minutes in traffic on a good day, factor in a car accident, weather, then he has to leave an hour early to be there on time. He loses about 6-8 hours a week because of this which adds up to about 24-34 hours/month loss. And before you ask, no he can't go in earlier on those days because it's not an option at his job.

bearcub25's picture

When my DSO got full custody and him leaving early, going in late, for school runs, I stepped in to help him on some days and my Mom agreed to let SD go to her house some days. She lives close to the school SD was attending for elem/middle. DSO works blue collar and doesn't get a lot of vacay time to take off all year.

So is there possibly a neighbor or friend that also has a kid attending SS' school that could maybe help out some of those days?

iamlosingit's picture

No sadly, at the old house he used to live at with BM it is next to a small business and an apartment complex= no neighbor relationships. I would offer but I work two hours later then DH and my work won't let me leave at a designated earlier time because I am not the BM. His sister lives nearby his old house but she 4 kids of her own. DH mom doesn't own a vehicle and busses it everywhere so even though she is wanting to help DH she can't. He is stuck.

notarelative's picture

You co own this house. Stop letting DH take charge of the bills. Take control. On his payday have him give you his portion of the bills and you pay them.

If he can't manage his personal finances, he doesn't get to manage your joint finances.

iamlosingit's picture

He doesn't take charge of the bills...that's the problem Smile I've tried post-its everywhere, text messages, leaving the bills in order of due date on the empty dining room table with the due date and amount written in BIG letters on the top...he just REALLY sucks with finances. Maybe I need to ask how he and BM used to split things. They owned a house together, so either they were always late on the bills or they had a different system. I know he used to occasionally pay for her to get her hair done and such, maybe she paid for everything and he just gave her money when she needed it? I'm stumped. In all honesty I wish I would have known this before we bought the stupid house but we didn't have this problem with the apartment other then me paying for his cell phone. Finally got that separated and now he has his own plan and phone, but now I'm paying all the utilities. I just want to bang my head repeatedly on the table. Or maybe bang his head on the table... }:) j/k

mro's picture

Have you ever owned a house before? I'm concerned you may quickly get in over your head if you do not find a way to set up some kind of reserve fund for repairs and upkeep. Over time you will also be replacing big-ticket items like roof, furnace, etc. There are times I have thought it would be better to rent.

iamlosingit's picture

I have not, DH has. Shocker. I did my research on the big ticket items before we bought and I took a class that helped educate me immensely. I had reserve funds but thanks to all of DH fiascos I am back at square one. If he would just pitch in his share I would be fine but so far our utilities are about $195/month give or take. I also purchased a new water heater for the house when we moved in. I paid half up-front and we have a 12 month no interest deal. DH was supposed to pay the other half but since he hasn't I am now paying an extra $55 on that/month to make sure that is paid off on time. Furnace only 2 y/o. Usually I can put about $300 sometimes more into savings/month when I am not paying for everything myself. More if I can pick up weekend shifts. It's just been hard these last few months. Trust me, I'm terrified something catastrophic will happen to the house and we/me will have to get a personal loan to cover it. The utilities for the house aren't too much more then what we were paying at the apartment as far as gas/elec/water, its the added cost of buying the water heater and the insane garbage and sewer costs each month that are making it more. Our monthly garbage/city sewer bill is on average about $70/month. I never lived in the city so this was a shock to me. I didn't know we were "renting" the bins themselves and then with the disposal charges it's about $55 of the $70 bill. So many weird fees are city related, it's really confusing to me. That was a long reply sorry. :O