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What Makes a Good Father?

frustrated-mom's picture

DH has a stack of books he has been reading about fatherhood. You would think that this would be helping him and getting him out of Guilty Daddy mode but instead, it’s making things far, far worse. You would think he might finally see how bad it is to spoil his kids, be a permissive parent and give the whatever they want, and that his job is to set a good example of a father and husband to his boys. But no, all he is getting out of this is the message that he is an absentee father unless he is involved in his kids daily lives and that they will be ruined for life if his life doesn’t revolve around them.

He has a book called “52 Things Kids Need from a Dad” and it’s not completely permissive parenting, but DH sees the boys a few days a month. A non-custodial, every-other-weekend dad cannot do most of the things in that book. Unfortunately, it is making him feel like if he isn’t, then he’s an absentee father. No one will give him permission to not feel guilty over missing things and not being part of his kids’ daily lives and actually be there for his current wife and his stepson rather than spending 99% of his energy chasing after his kids who are perfectly fine without him.

Even in Divorce Poison which you would expect to be pro non-custodial dad, it implies that the kids who resist alienation have dads who are coaching their soccer teams, involved at school and spoil their kids rotten. If you’re a EoWeekend dad who can’t see their kids because your current wife and family should come first and you work long hours, it implies you deserve to be alienated from you kids.

DH is so concerned about messing up his kids’ lives or preventing them from doing anything they want. He could say “no, you can’t do Little League. I’m not spending my weekend driving you back around like a chauffer. My time is too valuable and you can find something to do here". But that would make him a “bad” father. Instead, he has to drive his kids back and forth when they visit for games, drive back and forth to see games when its not his weekend. (We live 65 miles away from the boys). Our weekends revolve around what the boys are doing, the boys’ sports and their activities.

How is that putting his new family first and making his marriage a priority? It’s catering to his kids and making whatever they want. That’s raising a generation of self-centered, entitled brats. I barely see him on weekends because he’s always off at one of his boys’ activities.

The issue is that examples of “good” fathers center on this type of garbage. I’m sure the Olympics this summer will be full of stories of parents driving their kids hours to go to practice and making their lives revolve around their kids’ sports careers. People bash pageant moms that do the same thing, but if SS9 can be a MLB pitcher, then it’s all worth it in DH’s mind.

I consider my dad a good father. He’s the traditional type of guy. When I was growing up, my dad went to a few choir performances, but never school conferences and I didn’t care if he was there or not. He did provide for our family financially. I’m not ruined for life because my father didn’t spend a lot of time with me.

DH pays CS for the boys and if BM asks for money for anything for them, he’ll give it to her. Yet he doesn’t think that’s being a good father only what is expected. He wants to be superdad.

DH provided financially for SD15 as well yet he will go on and on about how he’s failed her, how he’s screwed up and what he should have done. I want to hit him upside the head about this. The thing he messed up was not wearing a condom to begin with. The girl’s mother was mentally ill and did massive drugs while pregnant. This girl should never even existed. But in no way was he an absentee father with all the CS payments. The only thing DH thinks makes him a good dad is big productions of Disney Daddyness.

SD15 is the biggest brat in the world, completely disrespectful, treats him like garbage and does nothing to correct this behavior. But pines over missing his little girl growing up and how he needs to make it up to her.

I’m about ready to give up. DH is hopeless. He doesn’t get it.

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frustrated-mom's picture

I wish the problems were as simple as buying her a Coach purse. If SD15 was demanding coach purses then people would see her for what she truly is. But she dresses like she's homeless despite having maternal relatives that would buy her whatever she wants.

SD doesn't ask for anything other than DH to leave her alone and get out of her life. But he still buys her junk to try to prove that he loves her and to insert himself into her life.

DH should be teaching his kids life lessons - but the problem is that he feels he has to create this big epic events for his kids to do so.

He wasted over $200 buying a telescope and all this equipment so he can take the boys stargazing after SS7 asked him where the Big Dipper is and he didn't have a clue.

DH feels like he has to do this big production taking the boys camping to go stargazing and buying books about stars so he'll know where the Big Dipper is or can point up and tell the kids "there's Venus".

It's not just the money. It means that there's one more weekend where he's off with the boys and I'm home alone.

Anon2009's picture

I think it's great DH wants to be active in his kids lives. This might not be a battle to fight. He might come to resent you if he feels you are trying to push your bs into his life as a replacement son for him. It'll only make things worse between your SKs and bs. Of course they're jealous of him-he gets to see their dad much more than they do.

Cocoa's picture

I truly think that if a father wants/needs/can be that active in his kids' lives, he should not remarry until his children grow enough to not need his time that much. I think it's very selfish of a man to re-marry and make the commitment to a woman of her being his 1st priority, and then turn around and place his children first. it's dis-honest and goes against what he promised her in his wedding vowels. unfortunately, most men don't think this through before they re-marry.

he should be reading "52 things a wife needs from a husband"

Brady_Bunch_plus_some's picture

Do you feel the same way about moms who marry when they already have children?

Disneyfan's picture

If he told her (or showed her) from the start that his kids came first, then he was being honest.

Some women (and men) hear or see that and ignore it because they think they can change the man or women.

Some people only agree with the spouse comes first line of thinking if they marry before having children. Some hold tight to spouse first no matter what. It's crazy to marry someone who doesn't share your view on this.

I have a feeling that this will end with dad being single again.

Cocoa's picture

Yes, some women believe they can change a man, and I've found alot of times with single dads is that the kids become a priority AFTER the wedding! All of the sudden, he has alot more to offer his children, more money, a built in babysitter and feels he needs to be Super Dad. In this case, he was NOT being honest, and probably NOT what his spouse signed up for. I wonder if OP's DH did this to her or if she thought she could change him? If it was the first, he deserves to be a single dad again, and hopefully next time he "snares" a woman can be honest with her. If it was the second, she got what she bargained for.

Cocoa's picture

You did a good job of putting your foot down, don't blame you at all. His children are entitled to what he and their mother can provide them, not you. Not such a Super-Dad without you, huh? And if he feels guilty because of all the toys you and he have together, that's not your fault. The things YOU bring to the table are for you and yours and for you to share if you so desire.

frustrated-mom's picture

"52 things a wife needs from a husband" - someone needs to write this book and give it to my DH. His entire focus is on his kids and trying to provide these memorable childhood events for them while I'm stuck at home and I never see him. He never considers my needs and I'm always a second thought to him.

Cocoa's picture

have you told him this? what was his response? does he make you feel guilty for expressing your needs to him? think you're being selfish? i don't think you want your dh to forsake his kids and devote himself to your kid like these other posters are saying. i think you don't feel validated in your relationship and feel left out. does he invite you/your son to these events? are there events EVERYONE can do, not just geared specifically towards your step kids? do you think your dh has it in him to make room for you? i couldn't be with my dh if i weren't his first priority, let alone if he didn't make room for me. could you see him going to marriage counseling?

frustrated-mom's picture

Yes, I have told him and he apologizes and has big plans for romantic getaways or dinners but then he's off to something else, busy at work and tired.

He does invite me and my son to go but I'm rather sick of driving back and forth to the boys' events and DS doesn't want to go if the boys are going to be there. If DH offered to take my DS camping or to the batting cages, I'm sure DS would want to go. But if SS9 is going to be there, DS will stay home. He's 13 so I only will leave him home alone for an hour or less.

I have considered marriage counseling, but my experience with all of SD15's therapist have really turned me off from the idea and I doubt it will help. SD's current therapist makes DH feel like a horrible father for not moving 1000 miles away to focus on his daughter.

Cocoa's picture

Absolutely. The new spouse needs to agree and understand that they will be taking the backseat.

whatwasithinkin's picture

I can definatly appreciate your feeling, and I would never tell someone else their feelings are wrong because feelings are feelings and they are what they are. However I disagree with the opinion that he always has to put you and his new family first over the old. He needs to stay active with his kids as well.

"He could say “no, you can’t do Little League. I’m not spending my weekend driving you back around like a chauffer. My time is too valuable and you can find something to do here".

Anybody who has spent a minute in family court will tell you this is a battle that is usually met with great resistance from the courts because what we fail to realize in the heat of everything is that it's about the kids. They did not choose to be in this situation, WE put them there. Many many times I have heard the gavel drop on this and that is the statement from the judge.

Disney Dad is one thing and I am sure you have him dead to rights on that one, but...choose your battles...and good luck

Cocoa's picture

I believe he puts his new family first in all areas with exceptions (mutually agreed upon with his wife for the things that are not NEEDS). If she has a problem living without her husband every weekend, he doesn't do it. There are compromises. If he's not willing to do so, and his spouse married him with the expectation of being first (as they swore to do), then he should NOT remarry.

And, if it were TRULY about the kids, and there was no abuse, adultry, etc... going on, the first marriage should not have broken up. Is it right for mom to get a divorce because she met another man, but dad has to forgo his life? Not saying that it's wrong to devote yourself to you kids my any means! But make sure your new wife understands your need to be a great dad and need to devote most of your spare time to your kids and is on board with it first.

Willow2010's picture

I understand where you are coming from. I really do. BUT… these ARE his kids. And I will get flamed for this…but his 9 year old should come before you and your son to an extent.

I became a single mom when my kids were 8 and 13. When I started dating DH, I told him. MY KIDS COME FIRST. I gave birth to them to be their mom. Not someone else’s mom. Of course that changes as they get older. I have an 18 year old and a 23 year old now. DH comes first.

It sounds like you want DH to be a father to your kid and not his own. I also think it is really selfish for you to think DH needs to pull his kid out of sports because it puts a kink in your weekends.

Sorry, but I think you need to change your attitude on some things.

secondplace's picture

Excellent words Blue Belle.

I know it's hard to feel like you come in second. Nobody wants that! And I think that if the OP takes a good honest look at the motivation for her feelings, she would know that it's the fear of being less important to her DH that drives these thoughts.

Hopefully OP, you can look at this objectively and follow the advice of the other posters.

What I sometimes do is ask myself - What would I tell someone else in the same situation? That usually gives me a much more objective answer and takes some of the emotion out of it.

frustrated-mom's picture

I don't think DH is disengaged as much as he and my DS have nothing in common and DH is very frustrated with him. DS is immature for his age, he likes video games and he is overweight. DS doesn't want to go camping with DH and the boys or to the batting cages. In part, that's because DS feels so inferior to SS9. He's not athletic and even SS7 will beat him at bowling or mini golf.

DS did some sports when he was younger and would watch football and baseball with DH, but now I think he sees that as SS7 and SS9's territory and he wants to be different than them. But that makes him even more separated from DH.

Willow2010's picture

Great post BB. I would also like to add… the OP needs to do more things with her son. It seems like she is waiting for her DH to step up and be dad. That is not going to happen, I don’t think.

My son was abandoned by his dad at 8 years old. He had a few problems with it, but I treated it like it was not that big of a deal and I made up for it ten time over with my time. (Not money---we were broke. Lol) I did ALL of the dad things. I taught him to play baseball, basketball and football. And his time was taken up so much, with fun stuff, that he did not dwell on his dad.

I actually loved the time I had with my kids during those hard years.

Anon2009's picture

"That's how DH being gone with his sons could be a hidden blessing for this mom. It gives her plenty of time to focus on the needs of her own son, which are likely to be greater than normal because of issues with the kid's lack of father."

I agree in full. Your kids are lucky to have you as their mom.

frustrated-mom's picture

I completely agree. In part, I think he's picked books that don't apply to him. I know he has one book on non-custodial, long distance parents but he's reading books geared for custodial dads. And there is the hard truth he won't accept that he can't do everything. He's neglecting his duties to his wife and stepson trying to make sure he doesn't let down his kids. Well, unfortunately, he's going to have to let them down if he wants to stay married.

Anon2009's picture

Then you need to be prepared for them to resent you and DS even more. And your DH might resent you for this, too.

FeuilleMorte's picture

Frustrated, it sounds to me like your son is missing out on a lot of fun because he is obsessed with being compared unfavorably with other children. I speak from experience. Rather than bemoan your DH's faults, it might be a good idea to encourage your own son to get out there and try new things. An overweight 13-year old is going to have a miserable time in middle school and high school, so if you can introduce him to fun activities that don't feel like "dieting", that's a win-win all around.