Step son became violent
Hello All, I am new here and have an issue that I need some advice on. Last night my 12 y/o step son became obstinate about a simple thing of cleaning up after himself and getting ready for bed. This caused us to take away his cell phone. He continued his rant and refusal to do what he was told and he then lost all of his game systems (xbox1, ps4, ps3, and xbox 360. yes we have given too much) At this point he began becoming belligerent and saying evil cruel things to his mother to the point she pushed him down onto his bed to talk to him and tell him he was wrong and that he could not speak that way. He began kicking her and hitting her with a plastic laundry basket. She then slapped him on the face. He then attacked her. When I went into the room they were laying on the bed and he was punching her on the kidney area numerous times. I restrained him by laying on top of him and holding his arm behind his back. Not to cause pain but to stop his punching. I stayed there until I thought he calmed down and then let him up. He then punched me in the face (no damage)so I put him in a head lock and we went back down on the mattress and stayed there where I was called a rapist, racist (I am white and wife and 2 boys are black) and a thief. I finally let him up and we all separated. I really don't care about the names. At this point he was delusional and saying anything he could to try and cause pain. My wife is considering sending him to his dad's where he had a similar episode a year ago with him. I do not want to give up on this child as he is brilliant and often times a good kid. He just hates being told he is wrong and can't stand when things are taken away from him. I considered calling the police about him to try and get across to him he cannot act the way he is but do not know what to do at this point.
Any advice greatly appreciated.
Thank you for your input I
Thank you for your input I truly appreciate it. Anger management may be the way to go. he is a lot like his biological father. cannot tell him he is wrong about anything and may need the anger management.
where is the assistance from
where is the assistance from your response? Nothing but attacks on something you know nothing about.
A. Your are right here. No child NEEDS 4 consoles. 2 are outdated and 1 he paid for himself (was not taken away) and the last one is modern and allows for him to play with friends.
B. 12 y/o is bigger than is mom and had bowed up on her with clenched fists. she pushed him down into sitting position and was then attacked with kicks.
C. I stopped a 12 y/o from hitting his mom and got punched in the face and then stopped that assault.
D. sending him away is not an option
E. you really need to stay off boards looking for advice if you believe all kids are innocent. It simply and sadly is not the case. A biological father and stepmother teach racial hate and divide for 3 months during the summer and we get to try and get rid of that and raise productive children during the school year.
Please be productive or don't post.
She may be a good poster but
She may be a good poster but there was nothing helpful. If she has a history of being helpful I would have appreciated it. But being told I assaulted a 12 y/o when subduing him is not beneficial. This is why I did not appreciate her post. As far as the consoles they are in the trunk as of my car as of last night and will not be given back any time soon. the one console he has left will not be helpful as he has lost his tv as well.
so maybe this
How did I assault him and what should I have done differently?
What should my wife have done? let him bow up on her and try to intimidate her?
I don't mind constructive criticism but if you believe I am wrong tell me why and make a suggestion please
thank you. luckily although
thank you. luckily although bigger he is not stronger. Ideally there would have been NO physical contact at all but last night did not allow for it. I agree and appreciate that we may need some classes on dealing with this. Sending him to his room is more of a reward than punishment and this is where everything happened. We have tried less aggressive options in the past but it seems as if he feels this has given him free range to escalate his aggression to the point we had to stop it.
Thank you again for this post
Very good ideas and thank
Very good ideas and thank you!
My apologies for response to your initial reply!
Thank you for your reply.
Thank you for your reply. Points well taken and appreciated. I agree should have called when it happened. cannot call now. Will look into the school counselor.
I don't blame the games
I don't blame the games either. 2 of the systems are basically obsolete but they were taken so he didn't have those as an option. I would love to throw them all away though. We are attempting the sports avenue. he tried out this week for a school soccer team and is signed up for a community league beginning in February. I totally agree that he needs something. I wish it didn't have to be fear. I would settle for respect. But that is the only reason I subdued him last night was to let him know that I will not stand by and let him punch on his mother.
thank you for your input.
the physical reprimand is not
the physical reprimand is not the norm in our house and avoided at all costs. He became physical when things were taken from him. this is when he got slapped and things got ugly.
tpheaton, it's obvious you
tpheaton, it's obvious you are trying your best to help these children. Don't mind some of the posters on here who would take the side of a stepkid who was axe murdering the entire neighbourhood.
Next time, try slowing the
Next time, try slowing the whole thing down. Obstinate pre-teen. Take phone and send to room. Ignore whatever rant comes from behind bedroom door. By pursuing and entertaining his outburst of displeasure you/mom escalated the physical attacks that followed.
Best to follow up when tempers settle. Wait till the steam settles and then calmly mom talks to kid. 'Kid, you know house rules, you disobeyed the rules. Cell is gone until x time and after a sincere apology to Mom for being disrespectful. One more word out of you and another take away will be for your new violation of disrespect'.
" Wait till the steam settles
" Wait till the steam settles and then calmly mom talks to kid. 'Kid, you know house rules, you disobeyed the rules. Cell is gone until x time and after a sincere apology to Mom for being disrespectful. One more word out of you and another take away will be for your new violation of disrespect'."
This was the path we were on. he refused to go to his room saying we couldn't tell him what to do. At that point is when we began taking other items from him and it got bad.
thank you for your comment!
"This was the path we were
"This was the path we were on. he refused to go to his room saying we couldn't tell him what to do".
Per your original statements the kid was already in his room:
"At this point he began becoming belligerent and saying evil cruel things to his mother to the point she pushed him down onto his bed to talk to him and tell him he was wrong and that he could not speak that way"
JMO, but defusing the situation and re-approaching after a cool down period is more effective than immediate acceleration. Think about it.
Welcome T! The advice here is
Welcome T!
The advice here is like mixed nuts. Pick out what you like and toss the rest.
Speaking of nuts....so soccermom, I suppose they should have just stood there and allowed this KID to hit his mother?
And, big news.....corporal punishment is NOT abuse or assault! People can agree or disagree as they choose, but just because you don't personally believe in it, doesn't mean that you can call it assault. SMDH
I am not against corporal punishment as others may be. It is absolutely appropriate for Mom to physically seat a huffing, puffing, steaming, posturing pre-teen manbaby. And kudos to you, sir, for STOPPING the little beast from ABUSING his mother and additionally having the maturity and self-control to just restrain the kid and not beat his ass!
However, I think you should have called the cops. Regardless of what others say, it is ABSOLUTELY their job and could be the first step in getting him help. If the kid is hitting his mom he is BREAKING THE LAW even if he is 12 years old! To say, "they aren't really in the business of assisting parents in controlling their poorly behaved children," is totally diminishing the severity of what this child has done and placing the focus on the wrong person.
He is 12, not 2. In a couple of years, he can be tried as an adult in some states. Time for this kid to be given a shock of reality. I would still call the cops and see if there is something that can be done. It's not too late.
It's too bad we have posters
It's too bad we have posters on here who see their own children's antics in some of the outrageous behaviour vented here and then sympathize with the skid who knows better. Because they believe that their own little Suzie or Johnny can do no wrong. Using such hackneyed cliches such as "you're the adult here" blah blah blah.
I am sorry that this kid is
I am sorry that this kid is being like that. I do agree with you that sending him to his father should not be an option. I think that, based on what you told us, that his father has a great deal to do with the disrespect of your wife (as a woman) and you (as a different race). Sending him there will just increase that level of disrespect towards you.
Unfortunately, I don't have much of any suggestions for you except maybe boarding school or military school. I was lucky enough that my son and skids listened to us and didn't get violent.
I was very lucky growing up
I was very lucky growing up that my dad and step dad were actually high school classmates. If I ever got out of line I got it from both ends. It happened once to learn my lesson.
If it happens again call the
If it happens again call the police. For now, I think this boy needs some serious counseling with parents involved.
My own son got all puff-chest
My own son got all puff-chest defiant with me which wound up with us rolling around in the rain on the driveway. I used passive restraint until he could get himself under control. Told him the next time I was calling the cops. His counselor spoke of puberty and pent-up emotion and wanting to separate from me. Perhaps that was a majority of it, but there had been a recent change in some of the medication he was taking so I believe that it factored in as well.
Boy-manchildren do NOT hit their mommas. Flat fact. Do what you need to do to keep some sanity and safety in your household. Don't ship him off. I think that he'd feel abandoned, as if he will only be loved/accepted if he never f*cks-up or displays poor behavior. It's a fine line in parenting. With my own I learned that when things were sliding downhill to let it go for the night and try again a different day. The escalation with a teen is amazing since they're so emotion-driven.
I think you did what you needed to do. Did SS apologize to all when the dust settled?
Good luck
Aside: Yes, my BS-13 also has had a PS, PS2, PS3, XBox 360 and now an XBox One ... oh, and a smartphone ... all purchased by my exDH ... he can afford it; he wanted to give these to his child. I've taken them away, thrown some in the trash and now I just take the cords when I think I need to get BS's attention.
I think you handled it pretty
I think you handled it pretty well. pre-teen boys and teenage boys are a handful. I think more so then girls. I have two girls who are over 18 now and 2 boys who are 14 and 15. I think boys are harder going thru puberty because of the testosterone. They feel confused, scared, and angry at the same time and are not mature enough to handle it. I learned that being consistent and not giving in has taught my sons that i mean business. As far as calling the cops, i personally think that is going too far but that is just my personal opinion. After my son has had an outburst i wait until he is calmed down then i try to talk to him and let him know i understand that he is going through a bunch of emotions these days but dont know how to handle them. The way you describe him makes him seem like a pretty good kid for the most part. I have also learned that arguing with my kids really gets me no where and only feeds fuel to the fire. plus it makes me come down to their immature level showing them that i cant handle myself no more then they can. when my son wouldnt go to his room i didnt fight with him about it, i just made life pretty uneventful for him. i turned the internet off and kept the tv off. A big change has taken place in his behavior and the way he handles himself these days. Now as far as him raising his hands to me, hes done it once and that was the last time. Call it abuse or whatever but i put him in his place right away. I am his mother and if he was to ever lay a hand on me again he will wish I would have called the police once i am done with him. Anyway, i think your handling it well. Your a man so you can relate to his out of control emotions at that age. And I agree that you shouldnt send him away. That only makes the kids feel unstable and unwanted. And having all those consoles is normal. Its called upgrading. People do it even as adults.
So, your bride's solution to
So, your bride's solution to this toxic violent POS kid is to send him to his dad's where he has been allowed to behave similarly. Your bride and this kids sperm donor are the ones who raised this POS to be a POS. How will pingponging him between two abject failures as parents solve this problem? Answer: It won't.
I would have called 911 and hog tied the little shit until they arrived to haul his violent ass off to who gives a shit where never to return if I were to find anyone kidney punching my bride. That is only if he had not suffocated to death before the cops arrived by having me shove his head up his own ass.
Yep, this kid needs help. He needs help feeling abject misery and total accountability for his behavior. I suggest shipping his ass off to some swamp based survival high consequence boarding program far, far, away. Let him live the misery he has earned.
My SS was nowhere near as toxic as this POS kid is and he learned in a hurry that lies, manipulation, and failure to deliver on reasonable behavioral expectations got him sent to Military School for his last two years of HS. If he had ever made the mistake of assaulting my bride (his mom) he would have been fertilizer.
So, don't give up on him. Give him absolute clarity that he will live a life of abject misery if he so much as twitches out of line with acceptable behavioral standards. Start by marching him outside, have him place one of his game systems under each tire of your care and then he can watch as his mom drives back and forth over his precious idiot boxes. Then strip his closet of all clothing except two pair of matching slacks, to shirts, two undershirts, two pairs of underwear, and one pair of black low quarter military style shoes that he will spit shine to a high standard every night and when he is not in class of doing homework he stand in a corner with his nose in contact with the intersecting walls and he will stand there for weeks, months, or years on end until he either gains a clue of you and his mom get tired.
Bring the pain. I would.
As for assaulting the kid. That is not assault. The kid is a violet POS and I for one would have made the consequences for beating his mother far worse than you made them. There is a reason why corporal punishment is legal in 49 states. Your POS SS is the poster child for why a belt to bare kid ass has been a staple disciplinary tool since the dawn of man.
Grrrrrr! Kidney punching his mother. Really?
I think if more kids were
I think if more kids were shown consequences for their violent behavior at a young age they would be less likely to act as violently later in life. All kids go through that age where they think they can run the show but its up to the parents to remind them that they are not in control of their life just yet. I think you and your wife need to sit down with the boy after he has cooled off and tell him that you were ALL wrong. No one should put their hands on another person and then make it very clear that if he ever hurts your wife or you again the police will be called. If he wants to act like he's an adult then he will get adult consequences for his actions. Next time he hurts your wife then you need to call the cops immediately. At the end of the day he will be upset that y'all called the cops but the lesson he needs to learn is that violence will not be tolerated and is unacceptable. You could probably teach him more with a night in a cell than any words could ever get through to his teenage tunnel vision.
What about calling the cops
What about calling the cops the next time the wife shoves and slaps the kid? You're right, violence should not be tolerated by ANYONE in the home.
Your wife needs parenting
Your wife needs parenting classes and family counseling. You for the most part need to just back her up but not punish the kid. She made several mistakes, first of all discipline is teaching. What she taught her son when she shoved him on his bed is that it's ok to shove and be physical when making a point, her son reacted in kind by fending her off with a laundry basket. Then your wife taught him that it's alright to slap someone in the face when feeling threatened. Stepson reacted by defending himself and attacking her back. Then you came in and immediately became physical and he punched you. Who are the adults in this situation?
Obviously the kid is not a perfect angel, what tween boy is? But the way his mother initially reacted when he didn't want to clean up after himself started the whole thing. Before you say I don't know ANYTHING, know that I went through several unnecessary physical episodes with my then teen daughter who is now 21 and made I made lots of mistakes. I have 16 and 13 yr old know it all mouthy, obstinate teen boys at home who I've never gotten physical with, slapped or shoved. I learned my lesson from the first one. I parent them in a completely different way.
If you had called the cops it may have been you and your wife who were arrested. I was almost arrested for physically trying to drag my teen daughter home after one of her running away episodes.
Thank you everyone for your
Thank you everyone for your comments. Although we would love it if it weren't needed, her slapping him was justified and at this point LEGAL. The child punching her in the kidney is not. The child did apologize but I believe that was just to get his stuff back. Hasn't happened and will not for awhile. counseling is set to happen as well as training for us in handling him. Stricter ground rules for the home are also being utilized as gaming is no longer going to be the rule for the boys. they will have to earn the time they spend on them. We give them a lot and often too much but have expected little. we did fail in that regard but now we will all adjust.
no one knows how to handle
no one knows how to handle tough situations. we all learn as we go. there is no expert in parenting. what works in one home may not work in another. i think you and your wife are doing fine. mistakes get made and their only wrong if the same mistake is repeated. hell she probably handled it better then i would have. if my son did that to me id be in jail for sure.