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Doing favors for BM - thoughts.

CLove's picture

This weekend, Husband and I took full advantage of all the "happenings" and listened to some awesome live music. One of Husband's ex relationships (a friend of mine, we hit it off right away, shes really nice just a bit on the crazy side) Ill call her Margo, was at an event.

She was drinking a lot, and was a bit on the boisterous side. She laid her father to rest, and I could tell she was a bit punchy from the emotional toll of the day.

Well, somehow we get into discussions and have conflicts.

The topic was "Doing favors for the bio parent". She was emphatic about the fact that she helped her ex would be a good thing for her children. Im of the opinion that Bio parent needs to help themselves. Especially in my situation with Toxic Troll BM. She continued to insist that "thats the MOTHER of his CHIDLREN, and she would ALWAYS be a part of his life!!!"

I made a deal that Husband would deal with BM as he thought best, but that come 18 and graduate high school, black that Toxic Troll.

When she got over emphatic, I just started in with "hmmmm uhh huhhh". 

But seriously. What do you think? Am I being too harsh, considering that she continually degrades and demeans our relationship, diminishes and degrades me, him? Fights him on parenting issues, threatens him if he tries to parent?

Ive been going around in my head on this. 

If the BM Toxic Troll needs help, is Husband obligated for the rest of his life to help her because they made children together?

CLove's picture

- for some frame of reference, ToxicTroll BM and Husband have 2 daughters, SD22 Feral Forger and SD15 Backstabber/Munchkin. TT doesnt work and neither does FF. Husband periodically works on TT's car because thats his main job as a mechanic so its "easy". But he has also given furnishings to her and bought FF 3-4 pairs of shoes for jobs she never goes to.

I never complain about him doing for the daughter, just the ex-wife. He helps a lot of people, some men and some women. This is the ONLY person I have a problem with. Do I need to let this go?

CLove's picture

That anytime Husband refuses to help Toxic Troll out she threatens to go back to court and up the child support, or go for full custody which would take away child and up the child support = a very stressed out Husband.

Rags's picture

No, you are far from being too harsh IMHO.

Poople are treated as they earn.  In TT's case... blank her when the youngest turns 18.  I have never comprehended the "mother of" or "father of" thing when they are toxic evil POS morons. Just because they had sex does not crown them with any special status.  Sadly, these dipshits end up ruing the lives of the children who were cursed to have their gene pool sullied by these poople.

btw, "poople" started out as a typo.  I decided I liked it and let it ride.

People are treated with some level of respect.  If an X as the mother or father or "our" children earns respect, treat them with respect. If they are toxic POS manipulative morons... poople they are and are treated accordingly.

IMHO of course.

CLove's picture

Yes, she and Feral Forger are "Pooples".

Ive just been waffling on this for a while. And I want Husband to refuse her help on his own terms, not like in the past "my wife is not happy with that" or "its bad for my marriage to help the x", etc, sparking Toxic Troll to tell Husband that he is "p-whipped by his wife and controlled and weak".

Rags's picture

DH needs to call TT on her threat bullshit.  He should roll up his sleeves and tell TT "let's go" when she threatens court.  Be ready to highlight the abject failure to launch that TT is, FF is, and the new crap that Traitor/Munchkin is perpetrating.

If I recall correctly you are in an 18 and done with CS state.  Your close enough to the finish line to start destroying TT when she plays her threat games.  She can get her own car fixed.  Better yet, have her bring it to where DH works so he can watch when she is handed the bill for repairs at the cashiers desk when she comes to pick up her car.

Diablo

DH needs to learn the sentence "I am not married to you." and play it over and over with TT.  Swap the word "you" with "your mom" when TT starts trying to get the FF and BS/Munchkin to play the pout to daddy card.

As for TT telling DH that he is Pussy Whipped.... you can have some fun with that one.  DH should point out that TT is pissed becaused DH is no longer going to be controlled and weak with her and she is now done as any influence in his life. Period! Dot!  Let her rot on the side of the road with her broken down car.

Dirol

I would not waste the piss to put my XW out if she was on fire. The same with anyone in the SpermClan.  When they would play games with SS's travel money provided by us when he was on SpermLand visitation we shut that crap down in a hurry by not giving him cash. We gave him a ZRO balance debit card that we could load directly from our bank accounts online.   That ended up stranding the SpermClan at restaurants or gas stations a few times when they could not pay for gas they already pumped or a meal they already ate.  We would load the debit card for SS's flights out to SpermLand and when he would call us to let us know he arrived and someone from the SpermClan was there to pick him up we would pull all of the money back from the debit card.  

We had some entertaining ranting calls from SpermGrandHag when they were stranded for hours waiting for SpermGrandPa to come pay for their gas or bill at a restaurant.  SS understood.  He knew that they taking his money was wrong and that money was for travel emergencies.  SpermGrandHag would rant that SS's travel money was out of the CS she paid for her dead beat POS serially out of wedlock breeding son.

Ummmmm. Nope.   How could CS provide for SS's travel emergency money if it was buying our new home's, new cars, expesive vacations, etc.... as SpermGrandHag had been ranting about for years.  CS was either $110/mo  then $133/mo for 10 years then settled at $385/mo for the last 6 years after two years at $785/mo after the SpermIdiot no showed for a CS mod hearing and physically ran from the Constable who was serving him.

Boxing in the toxic opposution is one of those things that often has to happen.

CLove's picture

He has always been about "keeping things nice". And plus, Toxic Troll BM knows what a nice guy he is and how he is always helping people in the community. He doesnt at all relish or even attempt to call her a$$ out on anything she does. Not even when Traitor-gate happened, and kiddo got D in ochestra. And supposedly TT was "helping with school".

SKid has to be 18 AND GRADUATED high school. One more reason I push for kid to get through high school successfuly.

Feral Forger Sd22 barely scraped by on her knuckles.

But you are spot on, we ARE close to finish line: 2 years and 10 months. August will be the time she can do a 3rd year review of child support for modification. So that means 2 years and 8 months, if she DOES. And then the hour glass sands just keep running out after that...

hereiam's picture

No, he's not obligated for the rest of his life to help her because they made children together. That's ridiculous.

Am I being too harsh, considering that she continually degrades and demeans our relationship, diminishes and degrades me, him? Fights him on parenting issues, threatens him if he tries to parent?

Too harsh? No. Frankly, I think it shows how little respect he has for himself, and you, to continue to help somebody who demeans the two of you and your relationship.

He is whipped and being controlled, but not by his wife.

BM over here tried to tell DH that she would be in his life forever, he disagreed and told her that once CS was done, he never had to speak to her again. He has not spoken to her since SD was 18.

 

 

CLove's picture

ive always held these thoughts that you expressed, but with this latest encounter was starting to doubt myself.

I just need a good way to express it. I get tongue-tied often.

Toxic Troll is continualy asking and demanding "its for the CCCCCCHHHHHIIIILLLLDDDDD!"

And then he gets angry "its for my CHILD". which, Im fine helping the CHILD, but then it gets down to where to draw that line between helping child and helping bio parent.

I am thinking as the child becomes closer to adult, the threats will be muted.

islandgal2021's picture

No way should he be there to wipe her ass. Divorce means they have chosen separate paths and now need to do things on their own.  I would have a big problem with this if my SO/DH was still running around trying to make her life easier. Fuck that. 

Rags's picture

Nope, any need for contact ends when the womb rental fees are paid in full when kids age out from under the CO.  Unless the other side of the blended family equation is balanced and reasonable.  In which case do what makes sense. 

ndc's picture

BM here is cooperative and pleasant.  She is supportive of my relationship with DH.  She occasionally tries to exert control, but for the most part is OK.  That said, the only reason we have anything to do with her, or her with us, is because of the skids.  Once they're 18, I cannot imagine we will have any contact with BM except for major events such as weddings, showers and the like.  We don't do her favors now, other than switching days from time to time and other things solely related to the kids.   I cannot imagine doing any favors for a toxic BM,  or maintaining contact with her for one second beyond the date the youngest turns 18.  Considering how he and you have been treated, your husband does more than he should just by working on the Troll's car. 

simifan's picture

Divorce means he is no longer obligated to help out BM. Quite frankly, I would be livid whether skid was under 18 or not. I can only think of one time I helped out exH & that was definitely for DS benefit. They went to the Auto Show downtown and the train you would normally take to/from my home was not running due to accident. Of course I picked up my child & reluctantly gave exH a ride to his truck parked at my home. Mostly because my son would have been worried.

bananaseedo's picture

Clove, can you give examples of what he's still doing for TT?  Or are we speaking of past things?  IMO you have always been correct to be upset about these things.

 

CLove's picture

Current Favors (within past few years):

1. Gas fetch - I still get mad about this. She ran out of gas, and parked the car a few blocks from her apartment. Called him in the morning on his way to work and asked him if he could turn around and help. It was in the opposite direction from his work. She had kiddo with her, so they both went back to the apartment and waited all day until he got off work to bring her some gas in a gas can.

2. Work on car - at cost for parts - she purposely bought a used BMW because she could get work done "for free" by Husband, who is a mechanic specialising in BMW's. So, when there are issues, or a light comes on, she texts him that she needs his help. And he does it. I have made a stink about it in the past, which caused her to threaten him with increased child support and at the time he was paying spousal support and she threatened to increase that as well (but that was BS)

3. Furniture - gave her a large bean bag. For SD15 to sleep in. Gave her our old (still really nice!) couches. Delivered them. Hauled out old mattress and box spring. 

Many things he just tells her no on, but she continually asks.

This isnt a hot topic right now, but it was something that I am preparing for because I know it will come up. At first (recently) I was understanding. I dont want conflict. He doesnt want conflict. Its just easier to not say anything. But last weekend, after talking with this friend, who has a troubled past with HER ex, it just seems like people wear it like its a "badge of honor". 

I HELP THE MOTHER/FATHER OF MY CHILDREN FOR THE CHILDRENS SAKE!

He did a lot more in the beginning of our relationship. Brought her groceries "for the children", and she would eat the food. Fixed her car. Bought a bed for her apartment "for the child". 

PetSpoiler's picture

As much trouble as BM here caused a couple of times, she never asked DH for favors, other than switching weekends or something like that, or something else to do specifically with SS.  DH couldn't stand her for one but she usually had a boyfriend to do favors for her.  It probably never even crossed her mind.  

Sounds like your husband gives in to the Toxic Troll to "keep the peace" but that doesn't work long term.  It causes a war somewhere else, either between the peacekeeper and someone else, or within the peacekeeper.  Either way he needs to quit.  Let her pitch her fit.  

LittleCloud9's picture

The day ss turns 18 is the last day bm will be mentioned in our home. The only contact we have is through the lawyers and we are COUNTING THE DAYS until we are free. She's an ex because she's a selfish toxic person. She can take care of herself. At this point, if ss gets married or when he graduates he likely won't invite her. Her own kid wants her to stay away 

strugglingSM's picture

My general view is that all adults should be responsible to take care of themselves. So, no BM should be entitled to help from another adult that is not married to her. I also hate the "but that's the mother of his children" comment. How many people ever say, "but that's the father of her children?!" When a BM is causing drama or issues for the father of her children. Also, that woman is also an adult and therefore, shouldn't need help for herself. If there is something the kids need, then fine, up for negotiation (but still not something to be dictated by BM), but if it is only for BM or for something that is under BM's complete adult responsibility (e.g. BM's house) and especially if it's something that would be considered a husband's responsibility...then BM is on her own. 

Wicked stepmo.'s picture

I laid down the law with SO doing anything for BM. I thought it was ridiculous him fixing her car, helping her out, giving her money, letting hwr borrow his car. When this POS wouldn't even watch her own kids when he needed help. 

Over time he has learned that she was just using him, unfortunately it took him being burned by her over and over again to learn that lesson. 

Stepdrama2020's picture

I totally agree with ya.

People not in a step situation do not understand the dynamics. Who cares what some drunk ex says. Like really?? 

Your DH is married to YOU. Toxic Troll is the mother of their kids, but thats it. PERIOD. He has no obligation to help her. PLUS if someone is not friends of the marriage , regardless WHO they are, they should be put out to pasture. 

AgedOut's picture

I think the favors should dry up if the other parent isn't doing anything to help themselves. Can't afford car repairs on a vehicle that isn't taking BM to work or the child to school? Why is that a default to Dad to be responsible for? The same w/ gas. If BM is doing nothing to remedy her situation or help herself, it's vinegar on a paper cut to have her expect your husband/family to do it for her. 

FinallySkidFree's picture

DH used to do "favors" for BM often. At Xmas he would buy her a Xmas tree and haul it up to her apartment. But it's for the "kids" he would say. He would leave from our house to go "buy the kids" fast food because they were hungry. Meanwhile, she lived around the corner from a Mcdonalds and he had to drive 30 minutes to get there. He did things like this fpr years. I eventually threatened to leave him. That's when he stopped. BM used to guilt trip him. He's one of those really nice, passive guys and she would use "the kids" as the reason for constantly infringing on our time. It gets old real quick.

caninelover's picture

Frankly DH should not be 'helping' TT at all but since that's the pattern he's established I wouldn't rock the boat now.

But he has to live up to his end of the bargain - once B/M is 18, TT should be banished from your lives, forever.

NotYourAverageStepMama's picture

It is no longer the responsibility of the ex husband or ex wife to help the ex spouse, their responsibility has ended. If BM in my situation fell on hard times or something, we wouldn't help BM, but SD is always welcome in our home if that were to happen, we would never help BM because "it is helping SD" because in reality it is not SD's issue it is BM's issue.

My husband HATES and I mean hates the whole "BM is the mother of child/children" and I mean that in regards to anyone. He believes it is an excuse and if you aren't with that person only the child/children matter, not the biologicial parent.

CLove's picture

My husband has mixed thoughts and feelings on this one.

Its MY CHILD has been shouted more than once.

He will shake his head and tell me that BM will get no help in anyway. This after an "episode".

Then things are calm for a while and Sd15 Backstabber is with her, and "they" (enmeshed) need his help. And it seems reasonable to help because it either costs him money or benefits him in some way or another.

A few years ago, Toxic Troll was essentially homeless. SD15 stayed with us for a whole month, while she and SD went looking for apartments. But there was no help in moving. This is a far cry from the first few times she moved after living with him. A number of times he helped her move things and used his vehicle to do so.

NotYourAverageStepMama's picture

skids does help BM in a way, but to me and really my DH what it comes down to is, who benefits from this most and if it is not done who hurts most if it is not done. An example would be at the end of summer last year, we sent SD in our clothes that fit and almost new sneakers along with a whole bag of clothes along with some more shoes. The reason for this is SD has come to our home only a handful of times in clothes and never shoes that fit SD. Not sure if it is because BM is worried we won't give it back or she just doesn't pay attention or care. Regardless, we had pretty new clothes and very new shoes that fit SD and she also liked that even if they fit, wouldn't be appropriate for the season we had her in next so we sent them with SD to BM. Does it help BM out? Sure, but at the end of the day it provided SD with clothes/shoes that actually fit and we never see her in that coming from BM's house...

So at the end of the day the reward was better for SD and it truly benefitted SD most. I feel like your story with SD staying with you when BM is homeless is an example of this as well. You don't want SD to be homeless so SD stays with you while BM figures it out. It helps BM, but really it is the benefit for SD at the end of the day.

Helping her move and using his vehicle? Nope, it only benefits BM and it is BM's responsibility to figure those things out. No offense, but your DH gets manipulated and I wouldn't be able to tolerate that. I would honestly be like if you're going to do x, y, and z that is not your responsibility or obligation that I don't want to hear a word of compliant about anything on the topic that is outside of his obligation to SD or is complaining about any detail of it.

CLove's picture

The giant bean bag because SD15 didnt have a place to sleep. Then the sectional couch from our house because Feral Forgers mattress was so gross. Then throwing out Feral Forgers gross mattress for her. Then when I bought SD15's new bed for our house, transferring her old mattress to the trolls apartment.

So many things...and each time I shake my head and go "ok, this is the last time!"

NotYourAverageStepMama's picture

definitely falls under the "other" stuff and needs to be done happening like NOW!

Ah, I feel so bad for you and while I know my DH won't act like your DH down the road, I really hope my SD does not become like yours does and be team crazy BM against everyone else

Rags's picture

How does a mattress get gross?  I have never in  my entire life had a mattress get gross. Old  and  sway backed, yes, but never gross.

CLove's picture

I sincerely doubt that you have seen the depths of dirt-depravity that a human can stoop to. Let me lay it out, and feel free to stop reading if it gets to be too much and burns your eyeballs.

Feral Forger SD22 has really and truly earned her monikers.

When living with her mother, DH had purchased a mattress for the apartment so she would not be sleeping on the floor.

This mattress has been through a few years of periods and vomit, after drinking and taking pills (pain meds). Unwashed body and makeup that stays put. Probably without a mattress protector pad, so things soak through a fitted sheet and get into the mattress, which is typically one-sided.

SD15 B/M told me that it was so gross, when she was in trouble for her grades early in the year and seeking comfort from sis, who invited her to lay down with her on the mattress, as sisters do during these times of bonding against the bio parent that is actually trying to parent, she declined because it was so dirty and disgusting.

When we replaced our couches, and gave Toxic Troll our old couch which was still pretty nice and clean, he delivered it so SD FF would have a clean place to sleep (large comfy sectional) and put the old mattress into the dumpster telling me it was so bad a homeless person wouldnt sleep on it.

Rags's picture

In third world countries I have seen mattresses, etc... as  you describe that of FF.

The closest I have ever seen to that was at the Mother's home of one of my college GFs who had 7 of her 9 adult children living in her ~750ft^2 home.  I refused to go back to her mother's home after a couple of holiday or celebration events.  My GF took exception to me "judging" her family.  Nope, I just valued my health so I stayed away.

 

shamds's picture

Always be in the other person's life forever. Plenty of times we see abusive cheating partners who end up making a spouse/partner end the relationship and its no amicable. The abusive partner wants revenge and uses the kids against them.

my husband divorced his ex over 12 yrs ago, she has been married 12 yrs, played the whole innocent victim in court like the poor single mum housewife whilst already hooked up with hubby #2 in secret whom she was having an affair with whilst married to my husband a year before they separated. 
 

We got married 5.5 yrs after his divorce and about 3 yrs into our marriage when sd's re-connected after a 5 yr plus hiatus, they inserted their mum and stepdad into every conversation and trying to make them relevant to our family unit when they were not. It took another 2 yrs before my husband put his foot down with sd23 and said i am his wife, not his ex and my husband has no care or concern for the exwife and that she was not part of our family unit and it was tiring hearing eldest sd rant on non stop bullshit about bio mum and stepdad. She is remarried and somebody elses issue to deal with. She and hubby unfortunately had 3 kids together in the past, that is it!! There is nothing beyond that. Hubby has survived 12 yrs never seeing or having any contact with her. He paya his court ordered cs and that is it. 
 

he doesn't entertain anything beyond that or whatever sob story exwife has eldest sd send 

CLove's picture

That would drive me insane, to have to hear about Toxic Troll more than I already do. SD15 knows better by now, I think

She used to tell the same stupid TT stories when she was younger. She tells Husband sometimes, if it is relevant.

Your husband put his foot down - that sais a lot about how bad they were

And I read also that this stepfather was the one the ex was cheating with?!? WTF. Twu Wuv! Yuk.

And stepkids wonder why Dads wife doesnt like them...

Harry's picture

He must stop doing hubby duty's for TT or any BM.  BM is a functional adult

Shr should grt her own gas. Find someone to fix her car. No free labor, ended with marriage.  If he actually did something for his kids that different.  But not to help out TT.  BUT. He didn't care about his kids when he divorced TT .  ( I know many don't agree with me,  because the kids come first. To me there NO three way affair going on )
Your DH is still attached to BM.,He still worries about BM more then his marriage to you. 
 

That going to become a breaking point where his dysfunction will be too much for you.  And he will have another ex