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So, why do I not get blasted for many of my less than sensitive posts?

Rags's picture

There has certainly been a significant shift in the flavor of STalk in the past several months. As Crayon so eloquently stated in her most recent Blog.

I know that I am not the most tolerant participant on STalk, I advocate blistering kid ass when appropriate, holding both CPs and NCPs accountable for their actions, rant on the family law bottom 10%ers, spew vitriol on the SpermIdiot and the SpermClan, call myself DAD when I have no genetic contribution to my son or any other kid that I am aware of, and generally am an asshole.

So, why have I proven to be predominantly immune to the recent snarky attacks on various Stalker participants?

I'm just askin? :?

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Rags's picture

Too true CG, too true.

But, it has been a long time since I pissed anyone off bad enough to get shreaded. Maybe I need to get offensive?

How are you by the way?

buttercookie's picture

Rags I also think its how you say stuff, You say it so matter of factly then leave it be. You say what you need to and you don't participate in the later banter and monday morning quarterbacking. When you don't bicker with people who want to bicker they tend to leave you alone

Colorado Girl's picture

I think that it's because you're so honest and open minded.

I also wouldn't want to get in a shit fight with you... you are far too intellectual for my taste.

And I'm doing pretty fantastic.

My skids' mom is hampering up a bit, so I thought I might to re-establish myself around here. I might need some advice and comforting in the near future. Smile

Chavez's picture

"I think that it's because you're so honest and open minded.

I also wouldn't want to get in a shit fight with you... you are far too intellectual for my taste."

CG, I hope you don't mind I'm quoting your words because I was thinking the exact same thing about Rags! LOL

zenjetset's picture

Rags, the first time I came on ST was for a very serious issue with my skids, which I had no idea how to handle even after I had raised a 23 y/o. You commentsed on my post. Others did as well. But I recall yours because you are male. I thought to myself...goodness god I am not alone. I believe, if you touch one or a million, you have touched.

Rags, you have touched....and so many others have as well. The information we share is priceless. I wish to meet all of you someday so I can hug each and every one of you. as you have hugged me.

Stick's picture

Rags - Honestly, I think it's because your contempt of Spermclan and your toughness on your kid gives you the "street cred" that seems to be needed. You are not too soft on SS. You can't stand the spermidiot. You are happy and supportive in your marriage. You are just the right amount of happy versus miserable that is palatable.

That's my guess.... as uneducated as it is! And you being a guy - and this site in sore need of testosterone definitely helps.

aggravated1's picture

I think part of it is you have "junk". But I do remember back in the day when you did catch your fair share of hell.

iwishyouwould's picture

I think it probably has a little to do with gender, a little to do with how eloquently you demand the bistering of kids asses when appropriate and a little to do with the fact that posters are probably intimidated by you.

IslandofDreams's picture

I have always found your posts to be very intelligent,straight forward and hilarious when you mention the sperm Clan. You don't go overboard with your suggestions...unless you are kidding Wink

You have helped me several times. Sometimes when it wasn't even my post.

aggravated1's picture

Sue, honestly, do you ever not see the humor in anything? You want to be blunt with other people, so I will be blunt with you.

All of your responses are pretty much the same tune-blame the man,and you do come across as a man hater (to me, anyway). I'm not trying to divert attention. But as you can see from a lot of people's responses to your advice, it isn't really being welcomed with open arms. YOu can tell people who to blame all you want, but until your delivery gets a little better or you lighten up a little, its hard to take you seriously. And I am not trying to be mean, really I am not.

I actually agree with you that the men are a lot of the time the biggest part of the problem, not the kids. I even agree WITH you on that subject, and you still get my hackles up sometimes.

caregiver1127's picture

Perhaps if she would share something about herself or be a little more human and have a little more compassion for people who are not quite to the place that she has achieved then people would listen to her and not right away want to throttle her! Even if she is not answering your post you still want to throttle her with the way she answers people. Almost like a robot is what I compare it to - she has a lot of good answers but does not know the practical application of the answers if you know what I mean Aggravated1.

anabihibik's picture

I think you're right. I do think you get blasted for your message. And, I do think there is some truth to your message. I'm curious what you do for a living. I would peg you as some engineer-type. You remind me of my mom. My mom is not a hugger. She is not warm and fuzzy. She's practical. She can be warm and fuzzy and huggy to her kids and my dad, but not so much outside of that. She doesn't sugarcoat anything, and sometimes, when I just want someone to hold my hand and agree with me that something sucks, she won't do it. Biggrin It's annoying and awesome at the same time. I hope you keep posting. You make me think, and I like that.

mommylove's picture

"I think you're right. I do think you get blasted for your message. And, I do think there is some truth to your message. I hope you keep posting. You make me think, and I like that."

Me too Sue!

Also Ana - I think your mother and I are one and the same!

caregiver1127's picture

Sue come on your approach sucks - you know it does - I don't even know if you notice that most people agree with your advice but they first have to tell you to tone it down - or people say I hate to agree with you Sueu2 but you are right - do you want people to have to feel like shit before they take your advice - don't you think you could accomplish more by people just reading your posts and saying Hey you know what that was a really good post I have really learned from this. you have changed it slightly but not much - it is not human - you can not help someone by being exactly like the people that are driving them nuts they may be wrong but they are hearing that from all sides and then you come along and treat them the same way - didn't your mother ever teach you that you attract more with honey than vinegar.

And as for sharing info everyone one the site has not waited for someone to ask them about their situation they have just opened up and given up the info.

It is not that people don't like what you have to say they can't get past the harshness of your first lines - I wonder what would happen if you would let yourself loosen up and start out a comment with hey it can't be easy what you are going through but did you ever think of the possibility that if you tried this then XY&Z might happen. Or when you are giving advice you could say well one time this is what happened to me and this is how I dealt with it - that is what I mean about practical application - you throw out advice but don't give a situation for them to apply it to - you can't say well it is your fault for letting the man get his way - how about saying - well why don't you try it from the approach of letting your DH know you will not tolerate that anymore - or another way would be "Well when Dh and I had SS with us every other weekend this is what we did" These approaches just would make you seem like you are a SM and someone who has been through what they have been through and not just some therapist giving out advice.

Also don't judge people why they are here - you have no idea what their situation is - sometimes this is the only place that these women have to vent and just make themselves feel good and if that means by making themselves appear better than their BM's so what - no one is getting hurt - they are not screaming at their skids or saying stuff about their BM's to the skids - so if someone comes on here and just wants to feel like they are somewhere that people understand them don't begrudge them that - everyone needs someone! Even you Sue!

caregiver1127's picture

So if you are pissing people off and can't relate why are you here - I am not being mean just asking a valid question - you have nothing to share unless it sounds condescending and mean - no one gets past the nastiness so I am wondering why post - do you really need to be on a website at all - it seems you got it all together from the above post and have a really great life so why be here - because the way you respond is that of a woman who has no control at home and her man does not respect her at all - so you come here to get a little control over something in your life - that is how I see you or a prison warden.

overit2's picture

Sueue....I have to agree 100pct with you. And honestly cg and others...so it's the delivery, we know it. Personally it doesn't bother me...in fact i find the delivery of many posters that accuse her of bad delivery to be very offensive also...but boards are full of people with different delivery and advice. Personally it's not fair for you to request her to "conform to the norm" and change everything about her approach and tone to fit your likes. Everyone is different. I guess the main problem I've found on this site is that nobody seems to respect personality differences, or differences of opinions. It's like if we all dont' give the same advice, or delivery method they're told they are not wanted unless they conform to "the norm"...which is set by whom??? Who determines who can post and what delivery they should use? She's thought of the advice given, she's adjusted some things, and with others she still has a certain tone delivery-you can't change other people.

Just like you can't change your dh's to respect you, or the skids to like you, or anyone else-Change comes from within-in that you change your attitude towards it or take action to get out of a miserable situation. There is no stuck in victim mode....at some point you have to wade through the shit and climb out of it. I think that's what Sue does-I know i've taken that approach many times also.

Validation and back pats are ok but really if it continues time after time-it does nothing but feed or entitlement that we are victims, that we are justified to feel this way and keep us in self-pity and anger and resentment- I totally get her point.

i mean we have someone who is displacing their anger and probably feeling loss of control in her own marriage so she'll get upset at online entities that she can control and step away from. That's-we-are not the problem.

ANd also agree that feeding the anger WILL eventually cause people to escalate in their justification and actions. It is human nature, no doubt.

love for animals's picture

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mommylove's picture

Ditto!

overit2's picture

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PoisonApples's picture

Has he ever been confronted about that? He's actually wondering why not.

Yes, actually. I have confronted him on it. I devoted an entire blog to it once.

wanted_five's picture

Sueu2's delivery could use some work but, I have to admit, I believe most of what she says is the truth. My fiance's kids can be a pain in the butt but hell, so can my kids. The bottom line is, these kids didn't create the situation. The adults did. I tell my fiance all the time when he's complaining about psycho ex (and yes, she really IS psycho) that he isn't the victim. He chose her. He procreated with her. The only victims in the situation ARE his kids. He does guilt daddy sometimes and sometimes his kids show the effects of that guilt parenting. Once again, I don't blame the kids. HE is the adult who is accepting the behavior. As far as my relationship with them, I demand the same consideration and respect from them as I would any other person in my life and they act accordingly. If my fiance told me I couldn't demand that respect, HE wouldn't be my fiance. I am no doormat for anybody, including him and including his kids... heck, including my kids. Ah well, I did go on but my main point is, I empathize with all on here. I understand that it's hard to be a step and I love this site and reading here and sometimes contributing. I do, however, often see the blame for these situations laid at the feet of the children and the blame belongs squarely on the shoulders of their parents, not them.

mommylove's picture

"Sueu2's delivery could use some work but, I have to admit, I believe most of what she says is the truth. My fiance's kids can be a pain in the butt but hell, so can my kids. The bottom line is, these kids didn't create the situation. The adults did."

So TRUE!

zenjetset's picture

Sue, I don't think nor do I believe you like or even remotely like men. So why the hell did you ever have a child?! Seriously, don't you have anything better to do, or is some poor DH paying you CS to stay at home and make his, ours, and your life miserable...

arjuna79's picture

Rags in all the craziness of our steplives, it is a huge relief to hear you stand tall and call it like it is. How many SMs here wish they could hear their own DHs stand up for them like this? You just remind us that it's still possible. And thank you!

Stick's picture

Rags - since you are universally respected, and referenced Crayon's blog... I would like to ask you... What do you think the shift in the flavor is... and WHY do you think it has happened?

If I am reading you correctly, you agree that there has been a shift in flavor and I take that as - reactions from one member to another.

What I am not sure how you feel about is what you think has caused the shift. Please correct me if I am wrong. But I didn't think you were agreeing that it is because there is an influx of BM's with agendas, or stepmoms-in-name-only. Did you agree with that part of the blog as well? And if not, what do you think it is?

Stick's picture

Aggravated... I didn't really mean it as shady or subtle. I really want to know Rags' take. I know where you stand, where Caregiver stands, where Colorado Girl stands.. I know where pretty much everyone stands on the issue.

Rags - as can be seen here - has a lot of influence, and is widely respected. I put this out there in the best interest of the entire board and for my own curiousity. I know you might not believe it, but it's true.

If Rags were to come on here and say - Yes... there's a HUGE influx of crazy BM's and we all need to watch out. I would listen, and take another look.

Likewise, I think if Rags were to say the opposite... that everyone on here for whatever reason seems at their very frayed end and we are turning on each other like jackyls... I think that people might sit back and think about it. BECAUSE IT'S COMING FROM HIM AND HE HAS NO INTEREST IN THE REST OF IT.

Honestly, what I think the answer is ... is both of those things. Yes, there has been an influx of troublemakers. But for someone like myself and Colorado Girl and a few others - who have been members here for YEARS to get told that we are stirring the pot, when we are really just offering a different opinion - is something to be noticed.

It's not trouble. I'm sorry that you feel that this was shady. Obviously - we disagree on my motivations. But that is neither here nor there. Since Rags has a MALE perspective - which a lot of us don't .. I think his opinion could help this board.

caregiver1127's picture

So only Rags is highly respected - not crayon - her opinion means nothing - he did give you his opinion on the blog he said:

As Crayon so eloquently stated in her most recent Blog.

Eloquently means vividly or movingly expressive or revealing - Rags is saying that Crayon is revealing "There has certainly been a significant shift in the flavor of STalk in the past several months." So from his sentence it would seem that Rags is saying that Crayons take on the situation has been vividly expressed. He gave his answer but you don't like it so you want to respectfully ask for a different answer or opinion.

PoisonApples's picture

No person, living or dead, has ever had universal respect.

I think the majority of people just keep their opinions to themselves on topics that are of no consequence to them.

Most of what Rags says has no effect on me whatsoever. I do not feel a compulsion to comment or respond to 99.999% of what he says. That doesn't imply respect and it doesn't imply disrespect, it is indifference.

Oh and trying to get Rags to come out and choose a 'side' was shady and not at all subtle but very typical and predictable.

anabihibik's picture

What do you mean you caught flack??? I've ALWAYS agreed with EVERYTHING you've said. Wink Actually, despite how you and I started, you happen to be one of my favorite posters. And, I've never had an issue with anything you actually say; just some of your terms. But, I accept that as part of your charm. That and (OMG, I can't believe I'm going to admit this) I thing exFH is a spermidiot, too, and in fact, that is initially what he wanted to be. But, I was so stuck on this idea that he was getting the shaft just because he's male, that I couldn't see past the end of my own nose. Now, that being said, I really do think some guys get the screwed royally because they are male. But, like you, I admire people for their character and honesty, and ability to own it when one makes a mistake. That's part of why I do like you. You remind me of my dad, actually. Although, I believe you are younger than him.

Asher10's picture

it's bad but this kind of turned me on Blum 3 and i'm 100% all about the men! lmao i love a take charge lady Wink

overit2's picture

Ok I have an issue here...but stick has a point

"She was not saying good bye she was just saying she would be checking in from time to time - so get the hell off of your high horse -

You get your little thrills from trouncing on people and PMing people to correct them because they don't agree with your way"

Ok-this is called hypocrisy cg, no matter how you slice it- you did blast mercy because she wasn't on your "side", what's the difference between a goodbye and i'm taking a breather blog..if you so think attention seeking is the goal. I don't get it. So if it's someone you like they get accolades, if it's someone you dont' they get blasted for putting a stupid goodbye thread-I think you noticed I responded on that that people can blog what they want-and that creating another blog to blog about the futility of said persons blog was just as stupid Smile

And I'm sorry but the way you talk to sue and others about their delivery and trounce on them for not agreeing with your way, delivery way or tone or words.... It's just plain hypocritical cg, no doubt about it. And yes, it bugs me. Sue delivery may be harsh, Rags may come across as harsh too, you may not like what Stick said and get angry for not agreeing with you...so you do the same thing you accuse others of, a lot. I have found that to be extremely hypocritical/double standard in threads over and over. When you point your finger at others for their errors you have 3 pointing back at your. I guess it's a rule for ALL of us to remember.

love for animals's picture

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love for animals's picture

Tough love hurts doesn't it? I don't think you need to change the way you speak to get your point across. If its a little harsh then maybe that what some people need to hear. Just cause some people don't like harsh doesn't mean it isn't needed sometimes even if your hurting.

Just a question...So now that step parent to 3 is gone, its another persons turn to "get it" "flamed"? Do you guys just go from person to person and pick out their flaws that you think they have? Why can people just comment on someones post and let the OP handle it?

caregiver1127's picture

Perhaps you should be here longer than a minute and then you can start to question things - spt3 worked for a vet so she would have loved you!

PoisonApples's picture

For me it's simple. I tend to not read your blogs. I disagreed (quite publicly) with your baring the bare ass blog but most of the time I don't even read your blogs OR your replies to blogs. I see your name and I scroll right on past.

Before I started not clicking on your blogs I read enough to get a sense of your online persona. None of what I saw pushed any of my buttons, ie, you weren't making up outrageous, detailed stories that fly in the face of reality and expecting that everyone was so stupid that they'd believe it and you weren't sitting in judgement of people telling them how awful they are when they vent. You weren't pretending to be a peacemaker by inserting yourself into skirmishes and publicly pretending to want the fighting to stop while privately PMing all around to cause even more of a divide among posters. With a few exceptions you didn't create blogs under the premise of discussing the problem with personalities on the site when your real agenda was to cause even more problems and keep the focus on yourself.

The reason I don't read most of your posts is that while I may often agree with your underlying message I'm not entertained by your bluster and the frequent fishing for compliments. The 'tough guy' act is huge turn off for me and I don't think it's sincere. I came to the conclusion early on that any gems that might be found in your posts weren't worth wading through the BS, at least not for me. IRL you may be nothing like the image I've created in my mind but it doesn't really matter. As long as nobody else is being hurt I believe in a live and let live philosophy. There are things about your posting style that I don't like but I don't see a danger to others in it so mostly I just ignore you. You have a right to create any online persona you choose to create and unlike some people here I don't insist that everyone be the way I think they should be or post the way I think they should post UNLESS I think they are playing a game or saying something that could harm someone else. On those rare occasions where I did read something you had written and I thought it was wrong enough to warrant comment, like the idea that it's OK for a grown man to bare the ass of a teenage girl and 'beat her', I don't hesitate to say so. Otherwise I don't find you offensive enough to bother commenting nor do I find you wise enough to comment in a positive way. What you say is of no consequence to me for the most part.

Rags's picture

PA,

Are you my mom? Biggrin My parents have let the wind out of my sails regularly over the years.

Not that your response to my blog was the most pleasant thing to read, but I appreciate and it did give me some things to think about.

I don't consider myself to be much of a "tough guy". I just have very little grey in my opinions and perspectives. Things are black or white, right or wrong for me. I present my opinion which the reader can consider or not. I learned long ago that I am not going to convince anyone of the superiority of my perspective. It is after all only my perspective.

Which leads me to the beating the bare ass of a teenage girl issue that you mentioned. I don't advocate beating anyone. A spanking is not a beating and is a viable, effective and proven disciplinary tool for some kids. My son (SS) has been spanked over the years. Less than I can count on two hands and not since he was ~13. Some kids could benefit from getting their bare asses swatted even in to their early or mid teens. Many cultures find it a useful tool for dealing with even adult miscreants. You don't see graffiti in many Asian and Middle Eastern countries because they strap vandals to wooden racks, bare their asses and turn their asses to hamburger with bamboo canes after a rapid trial by a vetted judge of course. I advocate the same punishments in our country for adults who choose to vandalize public or private property. As for spanking a kid/teen, I am not talking about drawing blood here. I am talking about getting the message to the kid that the behavior is unacceptable and will have unpleasant consequences if it is repeated.

But, right or wrong I am not going to convince you of the viability of my opinion on corporal punishment or anything else for that matter.

Bluster? I frequently mention that I tend to be long winded and prone to bloviating. Your response to my blog was pretty windy too you know. Wink

Best regards,

PoisonApples's picture

Rags,

You ASKED a question and I answered honestly from my perspective. There is no reason for you change ANYTHING because of what I think. I thought you wanted an answer to your question. My opinion is just my opinion. Others obviously have different opinions.

I will disagree with this though:

You don't see graffiti in many Asian and Middle Eastern countries because they strap vandals to wooden racks, bare their asses and turn their asses to hamburger with bamboo canes after a rapid trial by a vetted judge of course.

I've lived in several middle eastern countries. I've think I saw graffiti in every single one of them and NO WAY would people be treated as you describe in any of the ones I've lived in.

Rags's picture

PA,

I did ask, you answered and I do appreciate your opinion. As for changing anything. I am always changing because I do like to improve. If I don't change I get bored. In my professional life I am primarily a change manager/agent. I enjoy change.

I will look at what you had to say, assess it and make some changes if I think they need to be made. Probably nothing Earth shaking because for the most part I like "Rags" but subtle changes if I think they are viable.

Maybe I should have said "You don't see MUCH graffiti in many Asian and Middle Eastern countries". I have seen the consequences for crimes in the ME countries I have lived in. Not pretty or pleasant but very effective. Most notable for caning as a form of legal punishment is Singapore. There is little graffiti in Singapore.

Best regards,

pastepmomof3's picture

Dear Rags - I enjoy reading your posts and I find the way you talk and tell your story and voice your frustration is very similar to my Dad. I respect your opinion just like everyone else's and if I have something of value, I add it. If I don't, I let it alone. A lot of the folks here are so quick to pick apart a blog, that is usually written in the heat of anger, frustration, and despair, and some people understand that, others don't and just keep picking apart the blog in an effort to prove the OP as being wrong. Whatever. It's a vicious cycle and the only way it stops is when we allow it to.

Asher10's picture

I haven't read much but i like having a mans opinion because they tend to avoid taking sides.they will state their opinion for the most part no matter who disagrees with them.not taking sides helps keep the male opinion objective and valuable.many women have that emotional loyalty thing that sometimes holds them back from staying objective.that's not ALL women though!just some and not all men can stay objective and not take sides.but from the few men i've had in my life i saw they were better at being objective than the women around me.i can always count on my male friends to put the smack on me if i'm being dumb just like they would do to any of my other girlfriends.my girlfriends on the other hand,tend to pick sides and won't necessarily be as open with telling you that you're being dumb.they tend to try to find something to identify with and that keeps the objectivity on shaky ground.

JustAnotherSM's picture

I personally try not to blast anyone on this site. That being said, I respect your opinions because you offer a glimpse into the male perspective and you have many years of experience on your side. I know that you have helped raise your SS since he was very young and he is now graduated from high school. I also know that you have a good relationship with your SS so you must be doing something right. I like your no-nonsense approach to stepparenting.

Most Evil's picture

I confess I ignore several posters I feel are in their own little world or a little strange or needy somehow, and that we will never relate or understand each other, and that is fine by me, so I just keep going.

I don't have many SD issues that I care to discuss at this time due to privacy concerns, but am still a stepparent and value having you all to share that with, and maybe being criticized or boring is just a hazard of writing your story (not saying anyone in particular is not of interest!). but does explain Crayon's appeal to many, she is intelligent and interesting to read. (go crayon!!)

I am a person who wants to support others, not really interested in telling everyone over and over again that they are the source of their own problems, which isn't everyone, dur. A LOT of people I am too polite to say what I really think of their situation because it would only hurt them, and do no one any good as their goose was cooked long before IMO, and now they just have to live with it like we all do.

I don't think stabbing people in the heart is beneficial to anyone except the stabber. I don't like problems or arguing and I don't want any problems or arguing, I get enough of that in work, real life relationships, driving down the street, etc. to me this is a place of support and no one knows your situation but you so they have no right to judge and I don't judge them either, or bore people with my ill-informed opinion.

Rags I do think you do have the benefit of being male, being custodial, being successful in your career, which make a lot of situations seriously in your favor, ergo not much to argue on your blogs - but you have worked hard to achieve (some of them anyway, can't choose gender, etc.), value and share personal growth, etc. so I do respect your opinion.

Also I notice that you are always respectful even when you disagree, which is wonderful!. Sometimes you speak a little formally but I like that because I am like that too, it makes your message clear. I often get a good chuckle from your input!! so thanks and that is why I feel no need to argue with you dear